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Yes please. Less filler and possibly less dragging. I also liked how I got to finish The Defenders in 1 day! The other five seasons felt like a choir to finish.
If that show proved anything than that 8 episodes do not work as it was not nearly enough to create an egaging world. I always thought that was a stupid idea. 10-13 episodes is fine, no need to shorten that at the cost of good storytelling
why? the show has to assume that not every viewer has seen all of the previous shows and is instantly familiar with the characters, so taking the time to reintroduce them and their universes was absolutely necessary. by episode 2 the characters already teamed up in pairs and the team got together in episode 3. that's a reasonable length for a show like that that also juggled side characters and villains.. They should've met up by the end of episode 1
I never understood this. Listen, The Defenders is the continuation of a story. Why do people expect stuff to be catered to them if they're coming in on pt 2, 3, 4 of a story? It's like when I read complaints about the Harry Potter series after part 4 you needed to watch/read the previous parts to understand what was happening. Yeah no s*** youre in part 5 of a serialized storywhy? the show has to assume that not every viewer has seen all of the previous shows and is instantly familiar with the characters, so taking the time to reintroduce them and their universes was absolutely necessary. by episode 2 the characters already teamed up in pairs and the team got together in episode 3. that's a reasonable length for a show like that that also juggled side characters and villains.
but the few episodes that were left were clearly not enough to flesh out the villains, didn't gave the supporting cast much to do and basically cut out, what made the other shows so great: the side plots. instead we were treated with a very simple plot structure and a main plot that didn't make a lot of sense once you start thinking about it. there's were side plots would have helped (taking the focus from the main story a couple of scenes each episodes so that it doesn't get too obvious too quick how nonsensical it is)
some of the best scenes in Defenders were when the supporting charactes of the solo shows mixed up and got to talk to each other, but since there was simply no time for that, those scenes unfortunatley were short and underwritten. and again, made it very obvious how by the numbers those scenes were from a screenwriting point of view ("okay, so we have one scene were Trish talks to Karen in that episode and we put a scene with Coleen and Misty there and then we have Foggy talk to... and so on") If they had spread it out a little or had given them more to do those fanservice scenes would've had a better, more natural flow.
I agree about the villains but I don't think that's because of the episode count. I think it's because they wasted time on the supporting characters and waiting for The Defenders to team up. The episode count was fine imo, the way they used it wasn'tThe same goes for the villains and their motivations. The fingers were... just there. We learned about there existence, we saw them, but what do we know about them other than what was needed to tell a very spefic plot? They had almost no character, except what was given them in earlier shows for those two that we have met before. Therefore the whole threat of the Fingers fell extremely flat. When there's no way to care about them, why should you? (The fact that they also posed no physical threat and that their plan made not much sense didn't help either, but again, with a little more time and little less rush to the great finale, those are things that could've been worked around)
Almost every flaw in the series is a direct result of an episode count that was clearly too low for the story they were trying to tell at a quality we were used to before (except Luke Cage)
I can't say I agree with any of thisI never understood this. Listen, The Defenders is the continuation of a story. Why do people expect stuff to be catered to them if they're coming in on pt 2, 3, 4 of a story? It's like when I read complaints about the Harry Potter series after part 4 you needed to watch/read the previous parts to understand what was happening. Yeah no s*** youre in part 5 of a serialized story
And then even then there's so much stuff (Karen/Foggy and Matt, JJ and Kilgrave, Cage and Claire/Misty) that was glossed over so quickly that if you hadn't seen the previous shows you might still be confused
We came to see The Defenders. Give us the Defenders. They meet up almost half way through the season. You wouldn't wait for The X-Men, JL, or Avengers to meet up almost half way through their movies why is this different?
Or even if we're breaking the season down into tradition 3 acts. They shouldve met up in the 2nd episode
And even then they could've caught people up within an episode or even 2
I disagree here they gave supporting cast enough to do. In fact too much. I didn't care about Colleen's whole thing. Or all the scenes they had with the supporting cast interacting it took from screentime they could've used on villains or more importantly the Defenders
I agree about the villains but I don't think that's because of the episode count. I think it's because they wasted time on the supporting characters and waiting for The Defenders to team up. The episode count was fine imo, the way they used it wasn't
eh...some of the best scenes in Defenders were when the supporting characters of the solo shows mixed up and got to talk to each other, but since there was simply no time for that, those scenes unfortunately were short and underwritten. and again, made it very obvious how by the numbers those scenes were from a screenwriting point of view ("okay, so we have one scene were Trish talks to Karen in that episode and we put a scene with Coleen and Misty there and then we have Foggy talk to... and so on") If they had spread it out a little or had given them more to do those fanservice scenes would've had a better, more natural flow.
I never understood this. Listen, The Defenders is the continuation of a story. Why do people expect stuff to be catered to them if they're coming in on pt 2, 3, 4 of a story? It's like when I read complaints about the Harry Potter series after part 4 you needed to watch/read the previous parts to understand what was happening. Yeah no s*** youre in part 5 of a serialized story
And then even then there's so much stuff (Karen/Foggy and Matt, JJ and Kilgrave, Cage and Claire/Misty) that was glossed over so quickly that if you hadn't seen the previous shows you might still be confused
We came to see The Defenders. Give us the Defenders. They meet up almost half way through the season. You wouldn't wait for The X-Men, JL, or Avengers to meet up almost half way through their movies why is this different?
eh...
You could divy up additional scenes for those guys, my preference would be more focus on the villains, IF the show didn't spend so much time at another hideout and did some more interesting things at the precinct.
I completely agree. When you are doing any type of series where there has been a ton of story, world, and character building, you can't really be expected to walk into the middle of the series and have a working understanding about all that has gone before, especially if the story line is a continuation of previous storylines.
I can't say I agree with any of this
Lol, this is so ironic. One of the main complaints levied at these Marvel Netflix shows was that 13 episodes was too much and now 8 episodes wasn't enough. lol
Perhaps 10 is the magic number? lol