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Sloth7d said:And Sentry is pretty much immune to telepathy.
But sentry vs phoenix would be a good battle non the less.
Well, I only assumed this because Emma Frost couldn't force her way in Reynolds mind. He had to let her in. But then again maybe I perceived that wrong.Anubis said:Where the hell did you get that bulls**t from? Everything that has been shown on the guy has shown that he's extremely susceptible to telepathy and mind control. I mean come on.
Silicon Surfer said:I deliberately left Jean and Xavier out of the lineup because they are currently inconvenienced although I definately like them in the lineup. Rogue has taken Thors power before and could do it again given the opportunity. Psi shields do no good with Polaris around since all Earth tech including Iron Man, Reed, and Doom are subject to an EMP. Longshot was included in the lineup as the answer to the Sentry. His probability alteration would have to ensure that the Sentry was at minimum power in order to save him since a full power Sentry would be too formiddable. As for Wanda, she has no reality altering powers. House of M is the only time that she has ever displayed that kind of power and that was ridiculous. Her powers are probability alteration and minor magical skills. House of M was beyond Dr. Stranges ability. Without artificial aid none of the Avengers except Moondragon have defense against psionic attacks. Only Hulk, She Hulk, Iron Man and Wonder Man have significant levels of durability, Sentry I know little about except what has been discussed on this site. Oh, and Moondragon is so formiddable that the Thing once put her over his knee and spanked her.
Anubis said:Funny, I once saw Thor get shot in the forehead with a high powered rifle and get knocked unconscious for ten minutes.
bkhedr said:And yet they do all the time. I'm not disputing your facts as you presented them, but in the world of comic books those facts often change on a whim
and they do, despite what the hand book says
Docker said:What is the Punisher considered as? If you was in the Marvel universe, would you put him in prison or in a psych ward?
Docker said:Yeah you would think Marvel would be smart enough to spread their heroes out instead of having 50 heroes in one city. God forbid that Dr.Doom attacks Atlanta or California. At least DC has their heroes guarding individual cities.
BrianWilly said:I've always thought that the X-Men were, all around, more powerful than the Avengers...
I mean, we're talking about the team that has Jean Grey, Cyclops, Havok, Rogue, Wolverine, Storm, Colossus, Iceman, Polaris, and sometimes even Professor X himself on duty. I'd say that the X-roster has made up for about 80% of all telepaths and telekines and generally high-powered individuals in the Marvel universe.
Silicon Surfer said:Havok with very little skill and holding back severely took down the original version of the Hulk even though the Hulk was enraged. Havoks power has been said by Captain Britain to be of thermonuclear level. The limits of Havoks raw power aren't even known so far as I know. Banshee in his original appearance mesmerized an entire city including the original 5 X-Men. Siryn is at least as powerful and can use her powers in even more ways than Banshee. The Mesmerization effect is potentially enough to defeat the Avenger in and of itself. One of Icemans effects is to drain a target of its heat energy. This can kill any one of the Avengers and possibly multiple targets. Karma can possess one of the Avengers and attack another. Telepaths such as Emma and Rachel also have the ability to attack multiple targets at once. When she was with the Hellfire Club Emma rendered unconscious several of the X-Men even though they had training in mental defense. There is also the mindlock which can freeze an entire crowd and leave them unaware of what is going on for several minutes. Multiple rapid optic blasts from Cyclops could make eunuchs of the male Avengers. Dazzler in her early appearances was capable of briefly stunning the Hulk and increased her formiddability enormously over the years. She can now generate lasers, optic blasts and photon shields .
BrianWilly said:The Hulk was an Avenger for, what, all of two hours or so? Ares hasn't even become an Avenger yet. I'll grant that Thor is a regular Avenger (and hey, Polaris can apparently control his hammer), but most of the longstanding Avengers are not nearly on that sort of power level, whereas there are quite a number of X-Men who are similarly empowered. And, heck, everyone goes on about how powerful the Sentry is, but put him in a room with even a novice telepath for five seconds and he'll be a babbling mess. And the X-Men practically invented telepaths.
Kotagg said:To be entirely realistic, Xavier and Jean together could take out that entire Avengers team, sans Sentry. The Avengers have little to no defense against their type of power.
Then Xavier could call Sentry a mean name and Sentry would go write a song about how said he is and how much the world and his father hate him.
Sloth7d said:Don't underestimate the phoenix. Sentry has shown vast amounts of power, but he has yet to do anything that surpasses the phoenix in power. At most I'd say Sentry maybe ties the phoenix in ability if he doesn't hold back.
Hell, regular JeanGrey is a challenge to Sentry if he doesn't go all out.