The Winter Soldier Captain America 2: News and Speculation

[MarvelKnight]

If Zemo is in it, maybe they can have Strucker as a Hydra lieutenant or second in command for the movie. Assuming Zemo gets "Caught" Strucker takes over and Zemo can possibly begin thinking about some Masters of Evil shenanigans. That. Would be awesome.

 

[marcvader]

That's kinda what I meant. Basically, the public is aware that there is a Captain America, but it's up in the air who he was and what he did. Also, it's pretty much a certainty that most people don't know he's a super soldier. The project was a secret after all, so any knowledge of it is only by word of mouth.

They did show him lifting the motorcycle while three girls sat on it during the shows.

 

[metaphysician]

They did show him lifting the motorcycle while three girls sat on it during the shows.

Also, don't forget his debut in Brooklyn. I suspect they didn't keep the fact that he was a super soldier secret. I mean, why bother? Project Rebirth was dead as Irskine, and the Nazis *already* knew about it.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Also, don't forget his debut in Brooklyn. I suspect they didn't keep the fact that he was a super soldier secret. I mean, why bother? Project Rebirth was dead as Irskine, and the Nazis *already* knew about it.

The Nazis only knew about it because of spies in America tracking Erskine. I'm not so sure that the general public knew of the exact details of the project. Plus with it taking place nearly 70 years ago, most people alive in the MCU now would be unaware of it, except for maybe WWII vets and those who lived back then.

 

[Quasimod0]

The fact that there was a super soldier in ww2 is probably known to many people in the mcu. The reason the cops didn't respond to him is probably because the guy has been presumed dead for a long time. People may know who he was, but don't really care when they see him. And it was literally only two guys that met him in his cap suit. You can't base entire theories about what the population knows based on two guys. Maybe it will be expanded on in his solo film

 

[cherokeesam]

The fact that there was a super soldier in ww2 is probably known to many people in the mcu. The reason the cops didn't respond to him is probably because the guy has been presumed dead for a long time. People may know who he was, but don't really care when they see him. And it was literally only two guys that met him in his cap suit. You can't base entire theories about what the population knows based on two guys. Maybe it will be expanded on in his solo film

I'm positive the cops knew who he was; their dubious reaction was just a case of maintaining the chain of command. I mean, nobody sent these guys a memo that they were now taking orders from a costumed superhero from days gone by, did they.....?

And it's a given that Cap was/is universally recognized as a superhero. His actions were never kept secret; the newsreels show him very publicly doing amazing things, and those newsreels would've been all over movie theaters back on the American homefront.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I'm positive the cops knew who he was; their dubious reaction was just a case of maintaining the chain of command. I mean, nobody sent these guys a memo that they were now taking orders from a costumed superhero from days gone by, did they.....?

And it's a given that Cap was/is universally recognized as a superhero. His actions were never kept secret; the newsreels show him very publicly doing amazing things, and those newsreels would've been all over movie theaters back on the American homefront.

He may have been recognized back during the war but with him having been gone for so long, the contemporary general public wouldn't know him well, save for a few history buffs and people who lived back then.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

He'd probably be in highschool history books, so I imagine everyone would have at least a superficial knowledge of him.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

He'd probably be in highschool history books, so I imagine everyone would have at least a superficial knowledge of him.

If you've ever seen a high school history book, they tend to gloss over a lot of WWII. I also kind of doubt he'd be in many due to a lot of his missions being highly classified and stuff the government wouldn't want highlighted.

 

[Hypestyle]

I wonder who will play Aleksandr Lukin? Might as well bring him in, too..

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I wonder who will play Aleksandr Lukin? Might as well bring him in, too..

The big questions will be if he's actually the one controlling WS or if he's even in the movie. I wouldn't be surprised to see one of CA's other big villains (Baron Zemo, Baron Strucker, or Zola) also show up as well.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

If you've ever seen a high school history book, they tend to gloss over a lot of WWII. I also kind of doubt he'd be in many due to a lot of his missions being highly classified and stuff the government wouldn't want highlighted.

Were they? The Howling Commandos were knocking over HYDRA camps, and while that is the kind of highly specialized assignment, it doesn't veer into the type of black ops that the government want to deny.

The thing with Cap is this; he's this awesome, badass soldier who goes into battle wearing the flag. He's unusual and thus memorable, and he would have been seen in action by hundreds if not thousands of troops, not only of the US armed forces but from other allied nations as well.

After the war, his legacy would be commemorated, if not by the government then by the troops he commanded, who would have no reason to just keep it to themselves. Books would be written about him and at some point, Hollywood would make a movie about him.

At the very least, he's as well known as Patton.

Of course, not everyone could recognize a picture of Patton, even if they know the name.

 

[Hawkingbird]

Is anybody else really hoping for the 616 relationship between Hawkeye and Steve to come out in this movie?

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Is anybody else really hoping for the 616 relationship between Hawkeye and Steve to come out in this movie?

I was hoping to see it in the Avengers, but was let down, and it won't make sense anymore. Hawkeye seems like the ex-military, disciplined type, and is physically older than Steve to boot, and the role of the smart-alec anti-authoritarian has been subsumed by Tony Stark.

 

[TikkiEXX]

Were they? The Howling Commandos were knocking over HYDRA camps, and while that is the kind of highly specialized assignment, it doesn't veer into the type of black ops that the government want to deny.

The thing with Cap is this; he's this awesome, badass soldier who goes into battle wearing the flag. He's unusual and thus memorable, and

he would have been seen in action by hundreds if not thousands of troops, not only of the US armed forces but from other allied nations as well.

After the war, his legacy would be commemorated, if not by the government then by the troops he commanded, who would have no reason to just keep it to themselves. Books would be written about him and at some point, Hollywood would make a movie about him.

At the very least, he's as well known as Patton.

Of course, not everyone could recognize a picture of Patton, even if they know the name.

great point. And if you recall Cap actually was in a few movies in the first movie plus there was film of a lot of their missions. Remember when he gets caught with the picture of Peggy in his locket? I too think it's public knowledge about caps missions and the fact that he was a super soldier.

 

[cherokeesam]

Were they? The Howling Commandos were knocking over HYDRA camps, and while that is the kind of highly specialized assignment, it doesn't veer into the type of black ops that the government want to deny.

The thing with Cap is this; he's this awesome, badass soldier who goes into battle wearing the flag. He's unusual and thus memorable, and he would have been seen in action by hundreds if not thousands of troops, not only of the US armed forces but from other allied nations as well.

After the war, his legacy would be commemorated, if not by the government then by the troops he commanded, who would have no reason to just keep it to themselves. Books would be written about him and at some point, Hollywood would make a movie about him.

At the very least, he's as well known as Patton.

Of course, not everyone could recognize a picture of Patton, even if they know the name.

The fact that there were trading cards made about him, and propaganda posters and USO shows, that he was in newsreels (which, as fyi for you younger kiddies, *was* the "nightly news" in the 1940s, and shown in theaters before every movie), that Tony Stark had a replica shield of his, that plenty of people besides Stark and Coulson recognized Cap (but not Steve Rogers, obviously), indicates that he remains a public figure/celebrity.

I'd liken it more to Roy Rogers or Humphrey Bogart suddenly showing up in 2012....a "costumed" hero of that era that most folks could recognize even today. (Only Cap's heroics became the real deal, and not just Hollywood and Broadway fantasies.)

 

[BoredGuy]

^Totally

And to whomever said that high school history books gloss over WWII, you have clearly never read a US history book on the subject of American awesome-ness in WWII.

Yes, our books gloss over pretty much all of the accomplishments of other countries in the war. But if good ole 'Merica did it, it's in there

 

[terry78]

^Totally

And to whomever said that high school history books gloss over WWII, you have clearly never read a US history book on the subject of American awesome-ness in WWII.

Yes, our books gloss over pretty much all of the accomplishments of other countries in the war. But if good ole 'Merica did it, it's in there

EVerybody writes their own history as a winner.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

great point. And if you recall Cap actually was in a few movies in the first movie plus there was film of a lot of their missions. Remember when he gets caught with the picture of Peggy in his locket? I too think it's public knowledge about caps missions and the fact that he was a super soldier.

That footage was being shown to the leadership of the SSR so I'm not so sure that type of stuff would be released for the general public. Some of his more public, out in front of the troop type stuff would be about the only battlefield stuff that the general populace would probably know. I'm pretty sure that the SSR sanitized the battlefield of all HYDRA-related equipment and weaponry and would probably do the same for some of the work that CA was doing.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

^Totally

And to whomever said that high school history books gloss over WWII, you have clearly never read a US history book on the subject of American awesome-ness in WWII.

Yes, our books gloss over pretty much all of the accomplishments of other countries in the war. But if good ole 'Merica did it, it's in there

I'm just saying they tend to focus on the major battles, main military and world leaders, and the effects of the war than on individual soldiers. No way would high school history books focus their attention on CA, especially considering he was still known to the general public as that persona/icon, not Steve Rogers.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Not being an American, I don't know, but don't they at least mention figures like Rosie the Riveter?

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Not being an American, I don't know, but don't they at least mention figures like Rosie the Riveter?

But that was more of a symbol to show the power of the female workforce while the men were away at war. It fits along with the effects of the war that I mentioned in a previous post. Women joining the workforce in large numbers was definitely caused by the war due to the normal workforce being away.

 

[marcvader]

I'm just saying they tend to focus on the major battles, main military and world leaders, and the effects of the war than on individual soldiers. No way would high school history books focus their attention on CA, especially considering he was still known to the general public as that persona/icon, not Steve Rogers.

I'm sure there would be shows covering him on the History Channel or Military Channel the way other WWII figures are covered. He diverted bombs from blowing up New York for Christ sake.

 

[BoredGuy]

Yea, and we were taught about some of the generals and whatnot in school; Patton, MacArthur, Eisenhower, etc.
As well as most of the important world leaders
Somebody as important and as "USA!" as Cap would def get at least a mention

 

[jaqua99]

Let me get my finger around this because I don't have time to go through the pages.

Is what is being discussed right now, is if Cap is a historical figure? One who we sorta know about, read about in history books, etc??