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We have no reason to think that there WEREN'T known mutants who were ordered to register during Civil War. And did the Sokovia Accords even apply to individuals that weren't actually using their powers?
As for the mind wipe, that's a well-established part of Xavier's powers. And the ethical implications of it limits the extent to which he uses it.
The ethics argument has worked just fine in the comics, it will work just fine on screen. Literally all of Xavier's powers could stop any fight if he REALLY wanted to, short of someone with a psychic block like Juggernaut or Magneto. And that has never been an issue before.Yeah, it applied to all enhanced individuals. That would definitely include mutants.
And the mind wipe idea would be the laziest way out of this whole thing and it will become a major problem if Xavier can take care of any threat the X-Men face with his powers. The "it's not ethical" excuse is not going to fly when the X-Men are being beaten to near death by a villain and Xavier refuses to step in.
I don't get why it's a problem. Just start the X-Men franchise off from the begining in the MCU, trying to do a legacy "passing of the torch" with a 30 year old team right from bat doesn't work for a plethora of reasons. Let the X-Men grow up naturally instead of skipping 15 years of development.
I don't get why it's a problem. Just start the X-Men franchise off from the begining in the MCU, trying to do a legacy "passing of the torch" with a 30 year old team right from bat doesn't work for a plethora of reasons. Let the X-Men grow up naturally instead of skipping 15 years of development.
Also, does anyone sincerely believe "Wanda Maximoff isn't a mutant" won't be overturned the second a Disney purchase of FOX gets past the federal government? She's likely only 18 in Infinity War, based on how we have to juggle her being called a child in Civil War with being in a romantic relationship two years later. The demand for mature X-Men means you have to imagine a meeting where a 30-year-old X-Man sees her for the first time when she's 20 and says "Hi, you're a mutant like us! We have a school where Professor Xavier teaches people like us how to safely use our powers shortly after they manifest around the beginning of high school age! We didn't contact you when yours did because... look, the Juggernaut!"
Also, does anyone sincerely believe "Wanda Maximoff isn't a mutant" won't be overturned the second a Disney purchase of FOX gets past the federal government? She's likely only 18 in Infinity War, based on how we have to juggle her being called a child in Civil War with being in a romantic relationship two years later. The demand for mature X-Men means you have to imagine a meeting where a 30-year-old X-Man sees her for the first time when she's 20 and says "Hi, you're a mutant like us! We have a school where Professor Xavier teaches people like us how to safely use our powers shortly after they manifest around the beginning of high school age! We didn't contact you when yours did because... look, the Juggernaut!"
Except she is quite explicitly NOT A MUTANT in the MCU. The sooner fans get over this the better.
She and Pietro got their powers from the Mind Stone, that is literally a driving plot point in Infinity War, that her powers are linked to the Mind Stone. They aren't going to retcon her and it would gain them nothing and be pointlessly confusing if they did.
There's an old saying "some things that work in the comics, don't work in the movie" and that saying applies here. That excuse is not going to fly in the MCU. There's a reason why some characters are nerfed from the comics. Comic Charles is borderline omega level mutant. And say, they decided to go that route. Then they have to go through the trouble of making sure every villain they face has a mind block from Charles.The ethics argument has worked just fine in the comics, it will work just fine on screen. Literally all of Xavier's powers could stop any fight if he REALLY wanted to, short of someone with a psychic block like Juggernaut or Magneto. And that has never been an issue before.
We've already seen the X-Men as experienced veterans too. In 4 movies, 5 counting upcoming Dark Phoenix. You know what Homecoming didn't do? Start Peter Parker off 14 years into being a hero. He was the youngest he had ever been in a movie and he was a ROOKIE. He wasn't a 30 year old science teacher in his first movie. So using Homecoming as an example, they'd start the X-Men off from the beginning. We still have yet to see Cyclops, Jean or Storm's backstories, Singer never delved into them, that would be the best way to mine something new while yes, using a couple of new members. As opposed to starting with a 30 year old team AGAIN and trying to do mental gymnastics on the audience to try and explain why and how they've been around for so long with nobody noticing. How the villains and fights have been happining with noboody knowing.We've already seen the story of Xavier starting from scratch. We've already seen the 05 as kids. And there are so many great mutants that still haven't gotten a chance to shine. Most of the remaining great stories don't work with starting from scratch. And as we've seen with Homecoming, Marvel has no intentions of retreading old territory.
Also, none of the "29-year-old O5" partisans have provided an explanation "why did mutants start appearing more than one at a time three years before Iron Man?"
The existing movies went with the "Children of the Atom" explanation for mutant numbers. The MCU could use Infinity radiation if the X-Men are 15-year-olds. If their demands were met, the reason would be ???
"The Sokovia Accords. Approved by 117 countries, it states that the Avengers shall no longer be a private organization. Instead, they'll operate under the supervision of a United Nations panel, only when and if that panel deems it necessary."
- Thaddeus Ross to the Avengers
Why not? That's the way it's always been in the comics. For many, many years mutant births were very rare, and then with each generation, there were more and more mutant births, until finally there was an explosion of mutant births.
This is what I've been saying for the longest time. "Children of the Atom" can be adapted to mean something else. Most likely from the fallout of Infinity WarAlso, none of the "29-year-old O5" partisans have provided an explanation "why did mutants start appearing more than one at a time three years before Iron Man?" The existing movies went with the "Children of the Atom" explanation for mutant numbers. The MCU could use Infinity radiation if the X-Men are 15-year-olds. If their demands were met, the reason would be ???
FYI: The Sokovian Accords applied to the Avengers and only to the Avengers. So it wouldn't affect Luke Cage (Who's very public with his powers, and yet nobody's beating down his door to force him to sign the Sokovian Accords), it wouldn't affect Daredevil, and it wouldn't affect any mutants.
This whole discussion really makes me hope Marvel keeps the mutants separate. There's too many to develop well in a series that, if treated like the rest, will only get a movie every 3-4 years. If they get more frequent movies, then they'd encroach on slots for the other series.
Then we start running into the issue of spans of several years in between movies and the MCU happening roughly in real time.
Seems easier to put them under the Marvel Studios helm, but keep it separate.
This whole discussion really makes me hope Marvel keeps the mutants separate. There's too many to develop well in a series that, if treated like the rest, will only get a movie every 3-4 years. If they get more frequent movies, then they'd encroach on slots for the other series.
Then we start running into the issue of spans of several years in between movies and the MCU happening roughly in real time.
Seems easier to put them under the Marvel Studios helm, but keep it separate.
They can make more films whether it's kept separate or not. Keeping them separate is a ..separate choice.
I think the whole "everything is connected" theme will go away after Phase 3. It was easy to do it till now because all of their solo films were about an Avenger or a character tied to them via Infinity Stones (Dr. Strange, Guardians), but after Phase 3 that MacGuffin will be gone and we started seeing solo films of characters that aren't Avengers. We'll still see characters crossover but I feel it will be more like the comics where every title has its own narrative with occasional events and guest-stars. I think that's what Feige is talking about when he said the phase model might go away soon.
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here.
If they'd decided to keep a bunch of their characters separate from each other to date rather than having them connected it wouldn't mean they could have/would have made more films. Depending on budget, resources and priorities, they can choose to make as many X-Men films as they want. Whether to make them connected is then another (separate) decision that they can make without necessarily impacting the first decision.