hellblazer103
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I love the part after this where he's smiling watching them as they're like "OPEN THE ****IN DOOOOR"
I love the part after this where he's smiling watching them as they're like "OPEN THE ****IN DOOOOR"
I love the part after this where he's smiling watching them as they're like "OPEN THE ****IN DOOOOR"
No idea why critics were too harsh and divisive to this film and then could give a pass to average films like Shazam and Captain a Marvel.
this is the only film which has like 8 or 10 reviews with a 100/100 on metacritic yet a mixed rating.
To the bolded, I don't think that's a fair or accurate assessment at all. There's too much evidence to the contrary.Because critics don’t like to have their feelings questioned. They like when a film just reinforces their views. The greatest films are those that give a different viewpoint you don’t necessarily agree with but can still empathize with. They feel by recommending the film means they agree with the lead character and that’s not necessarily how movies work. The best ones are more complicated than that.
Because critics don’t like to have their feelings questioned. They like when a film just reinforces their views. The greatest films are those that give a different viewpoint you don’t necessarily agree with but can still empathize with. They feel by recommending the film means they agree with the lead character and that’s not necessarily how movies work. The best ones are more complicated than that.
One thing I noticed rewatching it is how the citizens we see in the East Side (where Arthur lives) are filled with minorities. The script indicates this was intentional. I’m guessing they wanted a Baltimore feel for Gotham and to show how poorly the minorities are getting screwed over. If that was the case, I admire the subtly of it.
It was when identity politics was creeping into everything even film critique. If it was released in a post Coronavirus world I reckon that the reaction would have been much better.Yeah, still a top 5 CBM.
No idea why critics were too harsh and divisive to this film and then could give a pass to average films like Shazam and Captain a Marvel.
this is the only film which has like 8 or 10 reviews with a 100/100 on metacritic yet a mixed rating. Really makes no sense.
Even freaking Incredible Hulk managed to get a positive critic rating.
Still a 9/10 for me.
It was when identity politics was creeping into everything even film critique. If it was released in a post Coronavirus world I reckon that the reaction would have been much better.
Then again Tenet has proved these people haven't lost their appetite for a good old scapegoat.
It was when identity politics was creeping into everything even film critique. If it was released in a post Coronavirus world I reckon that the reaction would have been much better.
Then again Tenet has proved these people haven't lost their appetite for a good old scapegoat.
David Fincher said:The director David Fincher has accused Hollywood of turning its back on innovative filmmaking, and claimed that studios are taking their creative cues from past glories while streaming services like Netflix push the medium forward.“I think that the studios are happy to say, ‘We’re going to spend $250 million on this, and $4 million on this, and leave everything in the middle to somebody else,’” he told the Telegraph, in an interview to be published tomorrow. “I think they’re happy to get that stuff off their plate. But I also think the middle-budget, challenging movies tend to define where the bigger movies are going to go.”
He suggested Warner Bros’ $1 billion-grossing supervillain origin story – whose star Joaquin Phoenix won the Best Actor Oscar earlier this year – as an example of a franchise-era studio product taking its creative cues from more original work.
“Nobody would have thought they had a shot at a giant hit with Joker had The Dark Knight not been as massive as it was [in 2008],” he said. “I don’t think anyone would have looked at that material and thought, ‘Yeah, let’s take Travis Bickle and Rupert Pupkin and conflate them, then trap him in a betrayal of the mentally ill, and trot it out for a billion dollars.’”
Travis Bickle and Rupert Pupkin are the protagonists of Martin Scorsese’s Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy – two classic films from the ‘New Hollywood’ era of the 1970s and 80s to which Joker has been widely compared. Both characters were played by Robert De Niro, who appeared in Joker as talk show host Murray Franklin.
“I'm sure that Warner Bros thought at a certain price, and with the right cast, and with De Niro coming along for the ride, it would be a possible double or triple,” he added. “But I cannot imagine that movie would have been released had it been 1999.”
I had no idea it was such a lazy rip off, never seen the two afore mentioned movies... totally ruin it for me...I mean, he’s right, but I could literally argue the same thing about Logan. Although Joker is clearly a rip-off of Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy, most people who saw it have likely never seen those movies, so it was a great homage to those while also breaking new ground in the genre.
But I second what someone else mentioned about Phoenix being their favorite Joker. I think the fact that there is no Batman in this universe—yet—it makes him more terrifying.
I had no idea it was such a lazy rip off, never seen the two afore mentioned movies... totally ruin it for me...
You're REALLY not going to like learning about Hercules when it comes to Superman then.
Ditto Batman and the characters of the Shadow, Zorro or the Scarlet Pimpernel.
I also suppose Conrad Veidt inspiring Joker is a bridge too far as well.
I wouldn't really dispute your argument against Logan either. I just find the Joker hype too much for me personally although I do enjoy it. I just feel like the Academy in particular is so obvious. It's clear why Joker "transcends". It's a phycological character piece that calls back to classic film. You can't just be a great movie, you kinda have to check boxes and fit a mould most of the time.I mean, he’s right, but I could literally argue the same thing about Logan. Although Joker is clearly a rip-off of Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy, most people who saw it have likely never seen those movies, so it was a great homage to those while also breaking new ground in the genre.
But I second what someone else mentioned about Phoenix being their favorite Joker. I think the fact that there is no Batman in this universe—yet—it makes him more terrifying.