The Mandalorian Chapter Fifteen Spoiler Discussion

[DarthSkywalker]

I really like the morally grey elements of the star wars universe so I enjoyed Mayfield's outlook. Some folks are just trying to survive in a harsh universe which means making difficult choices.

I liked that in rogue one as well. Not everyone is cut and dry good or evil.

I liked that aspect as well, but who is morally grey in Rogue One? I guess maybe Saw, but does that really apply to anyone else?

 

[The Infernal]

Cassian murdered a guy at the start of the film because it was easier for him to get away from Imperials that way. Which did always made look odd that he would suddenly choke at the thought of assassinating Jin Erso's father when it came time.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

So Mayfeld says that you need to scan your face in order to use the machine, so I'm thinking it compares your face with some kind of database to make sure the user is authorised to use it. Mando walks over there and uses and I'm like "Are we gonna find out he used to work for the empire?", but he just scans his face and that's that?

I was wondering about that myself.
If he worked for the Empire he wouldn’t have needed Mayfield.
I was thinking maybe the scan is mostly looking for known enemies of the Empire rather than authorized users.

 

[The Infernal]

My interpretation was that it just takes a record of who uses the terminal and keeps a record as a deterrence to anyone hoping to misuse the terminal.

 

[Web-Head]

The ending was the best part of this episode.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Cassian murdered a guy at the start of the film because it was easier for him to get away from Imperials that way. Which did always made look odd that he would suddenly choke at the thought of assassinating Jin Erso's father when it came time.

Easy, he wanted to score with Jyn

 

[antsman41]

Easy, he wanted to score with Jyn

Who wouldn’t.

 

[Schlosser85]

Cassian murdered a guy at the start of the film because it was easier for him to get away from Imperials that way. Which did always made look odd that he would suddenly choke at the thought of assassinating Jin Erso's father when it came time.

I think the circumstances were a little different. He had way more time to mull over what he was planning to do to Jyn’s father, plus I think the added guilt of deceiving Jyn about it.

 

[The Infernal]

I think the circumstances were a little different. He had way more time to mull over what he was planning to do to Jyn’s father, plus I think the added guilt of deceiving Jyn about it.

That just never worked for me. He seems pretty cold and ruthless killing some hapless fool out of convenience at the start that I can't really buy him having second thoughts over killing the main Death Star engineer, even if he has developed feelings for Jin.

 

[Schlosser85]

That just never worked for me. He seems pretty cold and ruthless killing some hapless fool out of convenience at the start that I can't really buy him having second thoughts over killing the main Death Star engineer, even if he has developed feelings for Jin.

Idk, he obviously had some self disgust after shooting the informant too, so I didn’t have a problem thinking his obviously already guilty conscience nagged at him.

 

[Perfect Cell]

I loved the touch of Din instinctively using his armour to block attacks, and then immediately regretting it. Also, those seismic charges ain't nothing to **** with. I've missed them.

 

[Dave McFly]

OMG seismic charges

 

[Sithborg]

Nice to see Juggernaut tanks and Shoretroopers again. I do like the Juggernaut driver armor.

I liked the Operation Cinder mention. Good backstory for Mayfeld. I just loved the moment of shock after Mayfeld blasted the Imperial officer.

 

[Marvolo]

The imperial grunts getting a hero moment was unexpected but not unwelcome. Felt bad for them when they had to die.

 

[herolee10]

Anyone else feel like Mando showing his face to the Imperial scanners will have (unintended) long-term consequences for the character in the future?

 

[thangaran]

That was terrific and hell Bill Burr here was great as opposed to being irritating.

Seeing Moff Gideon vs Mando will be crazy. Clearly Gideon is going to whoop his ass severely. He has Dark saber and is physically bigger and stronger than Mando.

Gideon should totally overwhelm him. It shouldn’t even be close. Then just at the end the child will come in and defeat Gideon using his force powers

 

[J.Drangal]

My interpretation was that it just takes a record of who uses the terminal and keeps a record as a deterrence to anyone hoping to misuse the terminal.

Yeah, there's a bit of a logical gap here. You can have a database of your allies but can't predict a new enemy...
To make a radical analogy, it would be like having a security door at your house that would allow anybody that you didn't declare as undesirable to open it...
I kind of excuse it though, because the purpose of the scene was very good in developping the Mandalorian, now willing to overcome some dogma to help the Child. And I'm pretty sure, his face being scanned and registered in Imperial archives will have a purpose later, maybe instrumental to explore his origins.

 

[TheVileOne]

Does anyone think they did exterior on location shooting for Episodes 14 and 15? If those exterior action sequences were all done on a soundstage, that's some impressive work IMO.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

My buddy Matt gave me one of those phone calls you HAVE to take so I got delayed from viewing this chapter "live" so gonna start on it right now.

So... Here we go.


1. Starting off with Mayfield pretty heavy from intro to first scenes. Wonder if that portends a lot of character development? Or like like LOST we'll get to know him only to have him offed by the end of the episode? I kinda wish we got more POV in the SW universe of people like him. I mean, I'm sorry but... Not every single Stormtrooper or Imperial funcionary or officer could have been a mustache twirling villain or evil but incompetent boob. Filoni and crew had fun with the whole "Stromtroopers are ****" meming of the Empire's military but... that's actually not a good thing to so unthinkingly embrace. Maybe it's great for jokes but it undercuts the threat of the villains as well as the efforts by the heroes. Is Mando a badass or are Stromtroopers just absolute ass with no redeeming qualities at all? Cuz... One will affect the other to a degree. Plus, again, it flattens something that should have texture. Footsoldiers of an evil regime or not the Military of the Empire had to have SOMETHING going for it having kept a stranglehold on the galaxy for decades. Show THAT. Also to note... And sorry to harp on this but... Mayfield should have recognized Boba Fett. He doesn't have to KNOW Boba personally. (He doesn't have to be Boba's ex-roommate or some nonsense... Boba being Mayfield's uncle is shrinking the universe.) But him not KNOWING of Boba Fett is what's head scratching, again, considering the most feared Bounty Hunter of the franchise has only been out of circulation for five years.

2. Love Boba as the no nonsense vet of the group and hope that's his role more or less at the forefront. I don't "trust" Boba yet, I think his honorable stance on things is... more pliable than it appears on the surface. He does what he says he will... But I'm not sure we should assume more than that. Which is cool... Makes him a variable in any given situation and adds grist to the drama mill in trying to figure out exactly when or if another shoe will drop. Also... The Imperials might know Fett? Strange. So... He IS a known quantity in the world Mando and the other show characters run in, huh?

3. Mando is so attached to Grogu and invested in him he's willing to bend "the way". Love it. The audience knows his kneejerk reaction is to follow his culture's path regardless of the circumstances. That he went right to "take off the helmet to get back the child" shows his connection. Plus... It's SW. Gotta have one scene of the good guys dressed up as the bad guys, right?


4. And this convo, or at least Mayfeild talking at Mando is exactly what I mean about adding texture. Mayfeild is for sure a scumbag, but he's also a person whose experiences and observations inform him and who he is or at least believes he is. You can call it self serving and him justifying himself, and it is, but what he's saying to Mando has some ring of truth to it. And... I just like that he's a person. A scummy dude that was a foot soldier to fascists, sure, but still a person. Still counting on him and Fennic to have sniper battle at some point as it stands now. Maybe I'll be wrong?

5. Rogue One had some, I think, uncomfortable for American audience's druthers, scense that evoked the War On Terror years and the occupation of Iraq (remember when That took up so much space in our collective psyche? It wasn't that long ago, and it for sure doesn't feel that way for the people of the Middle East... But I digress...) and this is giving me similar vibes. And I can hear the social media "outrage industry" already but to those who have issues... Literally everything in the OT touched on the politics and issues swirling in the culture when Lucas was conceiving it. Nixon, Watergate, Vietnam... There's commentary about all that and more in the OT. It's not JUST a heroe's journey gloss that takes it's only inspiration from folklore and mythology.


6. So... Chapter 14 was giving props to Kill Bill and this week it's Fury Road? Coolie cool.


7. And as I was saying... Gotta have the Imperials show SOME kind of competency. And here we are... Stormtroopers (And... What are the beige guys?) that can hit a target. It's not THAT hard to do Lucasfilm. Seeing things from the Imperial perspective is something I always think the SW universe can only be enhanced by.


8. Wow... So ALOT to unpack with one moment. Djarin is in the Imperial system? Or was it just that he's willing to be scanned and have his face on record in their system because there's no record of him anywhere else? As Mayfield noted, he's bending and breaking a lot of his own rules for the kid. Letting Mayfield see his face is kinda huge given all that's come before. I'm now starting to wonder... Is Mando planning on killing Mayfeild just when we've gotten to get a peek under his scumbag exterior? Cool that the ex-Imp sharpshooter is coming in clutch with his knowledge of the culture of the Empire's military.

9. Oh my God... That look Mando just gave Mayfied. "No... Not NOW. NOW is when you decide to start talking like a Rebel?"

10. Jesus Christ... I was thinking at best they'd go slow burn with Mayfield. If he lived past the episode we'd maybe get some more development of him either coming to terms with his Imperial service or he'd just die still being the scumbag he was introduced as. Okay... No going back to the Empire for him! Also... Shades of Django Unchained. Favs and Filoni are Tarantino fans for sure.

11. Nice to see Slave 1 is as I would expect Boba's ship to be. Full of as many surprises as the man himself.




Well... Another crackerjack episode. Solid well done Star Wars all around and kind of exactly what I want from this franchise in a streaming show. What I loved most, with some small slight reservations, was the way this played totally in the wheelhouse of Star Wars a morality tale with a character's redemption as it were, while doing it in a way that I honestly didn't see coming so it kept me on edge and engaged the whole time. I will say, similar to Fennic... I'm not sure what we saw of Burr's character the first time in any way shape or form indicated the textures and depths they chose to display in this episode. It feels... a bit forced. A bit. But I really, really liked the details of how they executed it so, I'm willing to hand wave away my issues. While not a mind blowing or showy outing in terms of direction Famuyiwa just delivered an immersive chapter of this story that made you feel in the environment and that it was a real lived in place, which is what I always want from Star Wars. A little bit ****ty to leave Mayfield on the planet rather than drop him off on some more civilized world but hey... Free is free, no? And again, the way this both made you empathize with Mayfield, get Mando the info he needed and put some more details into the world of the Imperial remnants all in a way I didn't see coming exactly was (Chef's kiss), magnifico!

That last part, in conjunction with Mando taking off the helmet, well... He's out for blood. His commitment to the child is now all he has left in the world and lo' to those that get in his way. How does this all wrap up with only one chapter for the season left?

 

[Sithborg]

The beige troopers are Shore Troopers, as seen in Rogue One.

 

[Iceman]

Mayfield's arc makes me think how much Finn's potential story was wasted.

 

[Iceman]

Anyone else feel like Mando showing his face to the Imperial scanners will have (unintended) long-term consequences for the character in the future?

Yeah, I was thinking of that being something that might expose him later.

 

[Marvolo]

That was terrific and hell Bill Burr here was great as opposed to being irritating.

Seeing Moff Gideon vs Mando will be crazy. Clearly Gideon is going to whoop his ass severely. He has Dark sabre and is physically bigger and stronger than Mando.

Gideon should totally overwhelm him. It shouldn’t even be close. Then just at the end the child will come in and defeat Gideon using his force powers

That would be weird. Din is a trained Mandalorian in full Beskar Mando armor and will have a Beskar spear and all his gadgets. They set up in this episode that Mando can fight with staffs and throw spears accurately. Gideon's armor is plasteel Imperial armor so a Beskar spear should break it and pierce it. A lightsaber can't cut Beskar. I suspect Mando can beat Gideon 1 on 1. But Gideon will have Dark Troopers to back him up.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

...that was Joe Chill, holy.

Thank YOU!

That was killing me the entire time cuz this show not only has the habit of casting a lot of great character actor talent but to us fanboys and fangirls and everything inbetween well... We watch these things so much faces get ingrained. I knew I knew that actor but couldn't quite place it.

And man... A great scene he got to play in too.

Agree with @Roose Bolton. That is exactly the type of stuff I want from SW when it's not focused on the Jedi/Sith or Dark Side/Light Side stuff.

 

[flickchick85]

Yes I too appreciate everyone pointing out that was Joe Chill because he looked crazy familiar to me but I could NOT place him.