Justice League Ray Fisher - WB Investigation Updates Thread

[Da-Scribe]

How is it indirect? Hamada is still in charge. So Ray is going to go after him any time one of his projects is in the news.

Fans say way worse when a project launches and we have zero involvement lol.

 

[Filmfreak]

It is indirect because Fisher's problems with Hamada revolved around a different production and the guy who retweeted has nothing to do with any of that.

Do you really think that a celebrity's word and a random fan's, or even a swarm of them, have the same gravitas? Or are you of the belief that just because people can be way more offensive he gets a free pass?

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Yeah... this is not the way to do it. The movie will clearly get along just fine without Cyborg and Hamada doesn't need to grovel to Fisher for a cameo.

 

[Da-Scribe]

All’s I’m saying is that if I worked for a company that I felt mistreated me and my peers during our tenure and then that company not only never faced consequences, but promoted one of the people that I felt tried to make the situation worse for everyone...I would not be nice just because said company made some stuff other people liked.

All things considered, Ray didn’t say anything offensive at all.

 

[Schlosser85]

Is he just gonna do one of his drive by “A>E” tweets every time WB says or does anything?

 

[Mr. E Nygma]

Hamada just needs to apologize and end the whole thing.

 

[Micromind]

Hamada just needs to apologize and end the whole thing.

Yeah, how hard is it ?

 

[MbJ]

Ray publicly accused him of trying to tamper with the investigation. Hamada will never admit to that. If he does apologize it'll be a backhanded "I'm sorry Ray felt that he was being victimized" type of response.

 

[Micromind]

Let the people who want to read too much into it do that, I doubt Ray will, he just wants some apology.

 

[Mr. E Nygma]

Yeah, how hard is it ?

Yea apologizing is easy. Swallowing ones pride or putting aside bad optics are hard pills to swallow for people.

Ray publicly accused him of trying to tamper with the investigation. Hamada will never admit to that. If he does apologize it'll be a backhanded "I'm sorry Ray felt that he was being victimized" type of response.

Most likely correct. Hamada could still publicly apologize in a way, even if he really believes he didn’t tamper, that would be something rather than nothing.

 

[Mani-Man]

Is he just gonna do one of his drive by “A>E” tweets every time WB says or does anything?

Well he didnt say anything when Black Adam started filming, SS etc...so i assume it is just when something with the Flash is going on.

Because remember "A>E" but only if it is in any way involving Fisher himself.

Hamada just needs to apologize and end the whole thing.

Ehm no because the accusations are not proven, they are baseless without any proof.
He shouldnt apologize if the accusations arent true.
But even if he does, that wouldnt be enough to Fisher, that should be clear by now.
He wants everyone punished who did as much as look at him funny once.

Swallowing ones pride or putting aside bad optics are hard pills to swallow for people.

So Hamada should put his pride aside, but not Fisher who got pretty much all he wanted?
He got an investigation going, the people in direct charge arent there anymore...but still it is Hamada who should swallow his pride and apologize for unproven accusations?

Why doesnt Fisher swallow his pride and move on?

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Hamada can't apologise as it would be an admission of guilt and I'm sorry, but sometimes you have to stand firm. He is running a business and it's not his job to coddle Fisher.

No one seems to mention that Fisher himself is moving the goal posts. First he stated he would NEVER do another DC film as long as Hamada was in charge. Now he WILL do it... but only if Hamada apologises?

He got his scenes/dignity restored in The Snyder Cut, an external investigation took place and he claimed he won't work for DC films anymore. I don't doubt he had a bad experience... but at some point he is going to have to put it to one side and get on with his life.

 

[Aurakles]

I don't think occasionally tweeting about something and moving on with your life are mutually exclusive.
He isn't standing outside WB with a placard everyday. Every now and then he posts something on the Internet, it's not as if he's obsessed, he has been working on other projects and tweets about other things.
If you wanted to you could make a case some of us spend more time talking about this than he does and we should move on with our lives.

The Flash film is connected to this more than The Batman, Black Adam or The Suicide Squad because there was a plan for Fisher to be in it which isn't happening due to the controversy. It doesn't seem to be a case of Fisher trying to get attention by piggybacking off of any DC announcemtn, but rather him reminding people that had he kept quiet and done as he was told he'd be in the film, but now he's not.

Fisher has said that Jon Berg apologised to him early on, and he's laid off of him ever since. So it seems he is willing to accept apologies.

 

[Filmfreak]

You can't force an apology, though. I mean, you can, but it won't be from the heart. So why does it even matter if Hamada finally makes a fake private one just so that he can shut him up? It's childish.

 

[obredaan]

Apologies have to be given not demanded. Dragging The Flash into this drama accomplishes nothing and makes me question this mans maturity level. What kind of a man constantly demands apologies from a billion dollar corporation? Does he actually believe the WB cares about him enough or any of the actors/staff that was involved on the film to make a public apology over vague accusations of tampering? He's just an actor who gets paid handsomely to pretend to be a superhero. I feel sorry for the hardworking people who actually suffer from abuse and racism and don't have all the privilege and money this boy has. Most of us don't have time to sit around tweeting about demands for apologies.

I'm convinced now that this has all been about Cyborg's role being reduced in the theatrical cut and he's clearly annoyed that he's not in The Flash. No idea how anyone can defend this clown at this point when Gal Gadot dealt with way worse and hasn't demanded any attention. Fisher pretending to stand up for others when he constantly makes himself the focus just leaves a bad taste in my mouth and makes me question those that defend him. Would they be this supportive of Fisher if he was not in a Superhero film directed by their favorite director?

 

[Micromind]

Ray Fisher was going to get a solo Cyborg movie, which never took off, then his role in JL which was pretty important to the movie and himself, was cut short in the Theatrically released movie.

Now, his chance of playing a guest role in Flash depends on how Hamada responds (since he is still looking after DC Films), maybe the role is cancelled by Studio for what ?

For standing up to mistreatment of him and his follow cast and crew members ? Then for asking for a free & fair investigation, which didn't happen, BTW, when WB Studio was involved, it only happened when AT&T (the parent company) got involved and set up an investigation headed by independent person. And, the remedial action taken suggests that Fisher was right, the grievances were legitimate.

So, him asking for apology from persons involved in maligning him (articles appearing in HR, Variety, EW, despite parent company (WarnerMedia) not approving it) is not unreasonable demand.

Now, Hamada can play smug and act like he was right all along and he was doing everything that was in best interest of actors, but many know he wasn't.

 

[Schlosser85]

Apologies have to be given not demanded. Dragging The Flash into this drama accomplishes nothing and makes me question this mans maturity level. What kind of a man constantly demands apologies from a billion dollar corporation? Does he actually believe the WB cares about him enough or any of the actors/staff that was involved on the film to make a public apology over vague accusations of tampering? He's just an actor who gets paid handsomely to pretend to be a superhero. I feel sorry for the hardworking people who actually suffer from abuse and racism and don't have all the privilege and money this boy has. Most of us don't have time to sit around tweeting about demands for apologies.

I'm convinced now that this has all been about Cyborg's role being reduced in the theatrical cut and he's clearly annoyed that he's not in The Flash. No idea how anyone can defend this clown at this point when Gal Gadot dealt with way worse and hasn't demanded any attention. Fisher pretending to stand up for others when he constantly makes himself the focus just leaves a bad taste in my mouth and makes me question those that defend him. Would they be this supportive of Fisher if he was not in a Superhero film directed by their favorite director?

 

[Da-Scribe]

I don't think occasionally tweeting about something and moving on with your life are mutually exclusive.
He isn't standing outside WB with a placard everyday. Every now and then he posts something on the Internet, it's not as if he's obsessed, he has been working on other projects and tweets about other things.
If you wanted to you could make a case some of us spend more time talking about this than he does and we should move on with our lives.

The Flash film is connected to this more than The Batman, Black Adam or The Suicide Squad because there was a plan for Fisher to be in it which isn't happening due to the controversy. It doesn't seem to be a case of Fisher trying to get attention by piggybacking off of any DC announcemtn, but rather him reminding people that had he kept quiet and done as he was told he'd be in the film, but now he's not.

Fisher has said that Jon Berg apologised to him early on, and he's laid off of him ever since. So it seems he is willing to accept apologies.

Lol right? Like the same folks dissecting and endlessly whining about every occasional DCEU related tweet from Ray are also saying Ray should just get over it. Which is just wild to me, that a bunch of folks who have zero connection to any of this situation somehow think they know better.

 

[obredaan]

So, him asking for apology from persons involved in maligning him (articles appearing in HR, Variety, EW, despite parent company (WarnerMedia) not approving it) is not unreasonable demand.

Now, Hamada can play smug and act like he was right all along and he was doing everything that was in best interest of actors, but many know he wasn't.

Its not unreasonable to demand an apology but I hope Fisher at least has enough common sense to realize that he's never going to get that apology. He's just circling the drain at this point.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Ray Fisher was going to get a solo Cyborg movie, which never took off, then his role in JL which was pretty important to the movie and himself, was cut short in the Theatrically released movie.

Now, his chance of playing a guest role in Flash depends on how Hamada responds (since he is still looking after DC Films), maybe the role is cancelled by Studio for what ?

For standing up to mistreatment of him and his follow cast and crew members ? Then for asking for a free & fair investigation, which didn't happen, BTW, when WB Studio was involved, it only happened when AT&T (the parent company) got involved and set up an investigation headed by independent person. And, the remedial action taken suggests that Fisher was right, the grievances were legitimate.

So, him asking for apology from persons involved in maligning him (articles appearing in HR, Variety, EW, despite parent company (WarnerMedia) not approving it) is not unreasonable demand.

Now, Hamada can play smug and act like he was right all along and he was doing everything that was in best interest of actors, but many know he wasn't.

As far as his role on The Flash goes, he kind of screwed himself over with the whole "I wont work with Hamada" and then they were like "ok bye". He could've made them look worse by not talking about that aspect and seeing if they remove him regardless. But when you have the investigator say that "Hamada did not interefere with the investigation"...you arent going to get an apology.

 

[Mr. E Nygma]

 

[heatvision38]

Some of you guys give me a chuckle, taking things so personally and whatnot.

 

[Da-Scribe]

He’s pissed about WB using George Floyd to present themselves as agents of DEI despite actively trying discredit him, a black man, in the media.

This is obvious, folks.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Mega-corporations talking about social justice can often lead to unintended comical and depending on the timing, tasteless results.

 

[Schlosser85]

One could argue it's also a bit unintentionally comical and even tasteless to equate a black man being killed by the police with an entitled nobody actor being asked to say "Booyah".