Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Silvermoth]

You guys love Forge and Thunderbird. I don’t get it lol.

forge is fun as like, the x-men’s Q. Plus he has some great moments with Storm

 

[psylockolussus]

I definitely against Thunderbird being in the 1st roster only because unlike Psylocke, Jubilee, Forge and Bishop. He has appeared in really few comiXs. Even Sunfire has a longer history with the X-Men.

Mutant ability wise, we already have Colossus and Rogue that can be brute of the team.

 

[Marvel united]

I hope Marvel will find the right balance when coming up the the team, because Storm, Jubilee, Psylocke, Thunderbird and Forge sounds like a more diverse but equally boring team as the Original 5.

One of the best things about the X-Men is the mix of big personalities.

This is why the O5 is the most satisfying starting lineup for me. It's the proper beginning of the story; of the journey.

Grounding the original members of the team in their original iconography is a fresh way to present them to audiences-- because it's never been done.

I will never get the idea that the Mutants are from an alt reality that cross over into the MCU mainline as being anything other than convoluted and only put out there because us fans both underthink and over think this stuff to the Nth degree.

No one is really gonna care if there's an X-Men movie that doesn't have some interesting to only the fanboy/girl set explanation of Muties and I don't think a starting franchise will essentially say to the audience "Hey... About half of this team has history from another universe that's either gonna overshadow their time here in the main MCU OR will be important backstory which... We'll never have time or interest to get to so two words about where these people come from and what made them who they are is about all you'll get... Probably because we also have a main plot, villain backstory and plans and some romance and MCU Easter eggs and seeds for about three other movies to get to."

The arguments for Mutants being from Alt-U's is just not that strong.

Look... We are no doubt in the middle of the MCU early stages of mining the Multiverse concept. You can see it as clear as day in the post Endgame output for sure. But they've also put out things NOT connected to the Multiverse and so far there's not even been a hint that the Multiverse will be the well spring for the Mutants or play a huge part in their story once Feige has all his ducks in a row. There really isn't any evidence this is in play now outside of pure fan speculation.

Pretty much this. I know we all have varying visions for what the X-Men should be, but I think most of us can agree that the Multiverse would be one of the worst ways to bring them into the MCU

 

[psylockolussus]

The moment the O5 are announced as the line up for the first movie, i wouldn't be surprised if some reactions would be "I can't wait for the sequel so they could feature a more interesting line up". That certainly would be my first reaction.

A lot of people also find origin stories boring and given how the X-Men have been through that at least twice, (X1, First Class + Apocalypse for Cyclops, Jean and Storm), its just not the most eXciting story to tell.

 

[Iceman]

I'd like to see Forge as the resident tech guy in charge of weaponry and gadgets, Sage as the security/IT personnel in charge of security/data log; and Dr. Cecilia Reyes M.D. as the attending doctor of Xavier Institute, always attending to the sick and wounded. While Dr. Henry McCoy M.D. as the one in charge with medical eXperiments.

If I'm not mistaken, thats their main role in Krakoa right now.

Yeah, I’d love for all these long term supporting characters get established from the beginning.

 

[Iceman]

I’m biased. I also want to see more 90s era mutants adapted to live action. Seeing Havok, Polaris, Boom Boom and Strong Guy would be so cool. A lot of the Generation X mutants like Chamber would be dope too.

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I really want to see that X-Factor team. Loved when they were launched in the comics.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Look... We are no doubt in the middle of the MCU early stages of mining the Multiverse concept. You can see it as clear as day in the post Endgame output for sure. But they've also put out things NOT connected to the Multiverse and so far there's not even been a hint that the Multiverse will be the well spring for the Mutants or play a huge part in their story once Feige has all his ducks in a row. There really isn't any evidence this is in play now outside of pure fan speculation.

Well there's no evidence of ANYTHING mutant related... But given we know the Multiverses are in chaos, the looming threat of Kang, and the focus of phase 4 set up towards some kind of larger Infinity War scale event about the Multiverse, it's not a crazy guess or assumption.

Of course, that doesn't mean the Mutants will hop across from another universe, but it seems like a pretty logical event that there will be some kind of connection or follow on event from all that business, even if it's by somewhat indirect means.

Everything we know about the way Feige and Marvel approaches the future of these MCU stories is breadcrumbs and establishing rules. The quantum realm in Antman paved the way for time travel. Guardians paved the way for the cosmic backdrop of the Infinity saga. And clearly the Multiverse will be paving the way for something we can't see yet.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Pretty much this. I know we all have varying visions for what the X-Men should be, but I think most of us can agree that the Multiverse would be one of the worst ways to bring them into the MCU

Look, it's not my favourite either. But I think I'll be equally sad to have the X-Men introduced in a way that can't include their decades of history within the MCU. Not only is that pretty important to the characters, but I think decades of anti-mutant sentiment existing on the planet is equally pretty important to the social climate we want to see these stories explore.

Multiverse isn't ideal but I can't think of any other neat ways to keep that mutant history intact.

The only other theory I've seen suggested (that I don't mind) is maybe some massive event happened a few years back and Xavier used his powers to make the world forget about the existence of mutants to ensure their survival.

 

[spidercide89]

Look, it's not my favourite either. But I think I'll be equally sad to have the X-Men introduced in a way that can't include their decades of history within the MCU. Not only is that pretty important to the characters, but I think decades of anti-mutant sentiment existing on the planet is equally pretty important to the social climate we want to see these stories explore.

Multiverse isn't ideal but I can't think of any other neat ways to keep that mutant history intact.

The only other theory I've seen suggested (that I don't mind) is maybe some massive event happened a few years back and Xavier used his powers to make the world forget about the existence of mutants to ensure their survival.

I agree 100%. Without the Multiverse there's no way that Marvel could logically explain how mutants could have existed for decades within the MCU while remaining under the radar. Where were they during the events of Avengers 2012? Or during the Infinity War?

It's looking more and more likely that they'll be ported in from another universe/reality, which is really the easy way out for Marvel. I would personally explain their existence in a simpler way. Why not have the X-Gene develop as a byproduct of The Snap? Explain that the X-Gene causes mutants to hit their teen years faster than those without the gene. Begin the franchise with the O5 starting their training as teenagers at Xavier's School. Introduce some of the cooler, under-represented mutants suggested in this thread during all the inevitable sequels and offshoots. Or, start with a new version of the O5 and keep the legacy mutants for a later sequel.

The MCU doesn't follow the comics so closely that they couldn't try something different. Plus, that's the beauty of the Quantum Realm and the Multiverse. If the public doesn't accept a new O5, just hit the reset button.

If something as obscure as the GOTG could be a huge hit, I'm sure the general public could deal with seeing some different mutants on screen...

 

[Detective Conan]

Breaking: Marvel Studios Makes Major Changes to Upcoming Slate - Murphy's Multiverse

DOCTOR STRANGE IN THE MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS which was previously dated on 3/25/22 moves to 5/6/22

THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER which was previously dated on 5/6/22 moves to 7/8/22

BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER which was previously dated on 7/8/22 moves to 11/11/22

UNTITLED INDIANA JONES/Indiana Jones 5 which was previously dated on 7/29/22 moves to 6/30/23

UNTITLED DISNEY LIVE ACTION which was previously dated on 7/14/23 is removed from schedule

THE MARVELS which was previously dated on 11/11/22 moves to 2/17/23

ANT-MAN AND THE WASP: QUANTUMANIA which was previously dated on 2/17/23 moves to 7/28/23

UNTITLED MARVEL which was previously dated on 7/28/23 is removed from schedule

UNTITLED MARVEL which was previously dated on 10/6/23 is removed from schedule

UNTITLED 20TH CENTURY which was previously dated on 10/20/23 is removed from schedule

UNTITLED MARVEL which was previously dated on 11/10/23 moves to 11/3/23

No further information was given by Disney as to why the films were moved. While production of Black Panther: Wakanda Forever was briefly delayed, productions on Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and Thor: Love and Thunder have wrapped and The Marvels and Ant-Man and The Wasp Quantumania have, as far as we know proceeded without problems.

Four films remain on Marvel Studios 2024 slate with flags planted on February 16th, May 3rd, July 26th and November 8th.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It's looking more and more likely that they'll be ported in from another universe/reality,

LOL what are you talking about?

 

[Lip]

The wait will be even longer now. Sad.

 

[spidercide89]

The wait will be even longer now. Sad.

These are just business decisions. Marvel is probably thinking about the hundreds of millions in international theatrical grosses that Black Widow and Shang-Chi could have added to the bottom line were it not for COVID.

They're banking on the pandemic being almost completely behind us by next spring, which is keeping in line with what top medical experts are saying.

Let's hope they're right

 

[Lip]

These are just business decisions. Marvel is probably thinking about the hundreds of millions in international theatrical grosses that Black Widow and Shang-Chi could have added to the bottom line were it not for COVID.

They're banking on the pandemic being almost completely behind us by next spring, which is keeping in line with what top medical experts are saying.

Yeah, I know, but it still sucks.

If they're back at 3 movies at year for 2023 and 2024, it will be at least 2025 for the X-Men. Or 2026.

 

[Iceman]

Delays aren’t good news, cancellations even less so. We’ll get there some day.

 

[psylockolussus]

Breaking: Marvel Studios Makes Major Changes to Upcoming Slate - Murphy's Multiverse

Wow that sucks.

 

[SumT]

X-Men: No way home

 

[JP]

Breaking: Marvel Studios Makes Major Changes to Upcoming Slate - Murphy's Multiverse

All of these moves are so minor that I don't understand why the internet is crying.

 

[Marvel united]

The moment the O5 are announced as the line up for the first movie, i wouldn't be surprised if some reactions would be "I can't wait for the sequel so they could feature a more interesting line up". That certainly would be my first reaction.

A lot of people also find origin stories boring and given how the X-Men have been through that at least twice, (X1, First Class + Apocalypse for Cyclops, Jean and Storm), its just not the most eXciting story to tell.

It wouldn't be anymore of an origin story than Spider-Man: Homecoming was.

The X-Men would already be established (as they were in 'The X-Men' #1), but they'd still be young, still figuring things out, about the world and themselves, and their place in it-- which gives them room to grow and develop.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Whatever starting roster they go with, I just really, really, really hope we finally see the redemption of Cyclops. He's got one of the most interesting journeys over the years thus far, I feel like he's become less interesting with each cinematic representation.

I'd also like to see them cast someone who can really capture that deeply introverted, "Still waters run deep" quality he has. One of those actors who can just give a lot without needing to say much. We don't need just another teen pretty boy. I want someone who can sell the repressed trauma, wounded son, hidden strength of Scott, you know?

I also think that will be the best thing to stop Wolverine from dominating the ensemble for another time around, if they position Cyclops to be a strong enough character to go toe to toe with him and ultimately call the shots (I suppose in a similar way to Steve and Tony, albeit with different personalities).

 

[psylockolussus]

The MCU had 4 movies set for 2022, now its down to 3. It isn't the first time, Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, Black Panther Wakanda Forever and Thor Love & Thunder have been delayed.

2023 slate is also down to 4 movies from 5, as they removed the October placeholder. The two mystery Marvel movies that were supposed to come out in 2023, are now delayed to 2024, unless Fantastic Four isn't taking the November 2023 date and is delayed to 2024 as well.

This isn't a minor change, as it further eXtends the wait for the Mutants.

Blade, Fantastic 4, Captain America Sam Wilson and Deadpool are also in the works. They all could possiby come out before the Mutants, as Marvel Studios already hired people to work on those movies.

And who knows, if there isn't another force of nature that aren't going to change plans again. This isn't a 2 to 3 months delay to every upcoming mcu film. Quantumania despite already started filming has been to pushed to summer 2023.

 

[Marvel united]

Whatever starting roster they go with, I just really, really, really hope we finally see the redemption of Cyclops. He's got one of the most interesting journeys over the years thus far, I feel like he's become less interesting with each cinematic representation.

I'd also like to see them cast someone who can really capture that deeply introverted, "Still waters run deep" quality he has. One of those actors who can just give a lot without needing to say much. We don't need just another teen pretty boy. I want someone who can sell the repressed trauma, wounded son, hidden strength of Scott, you know?

I also think that will be the best thing to stop Wolverine from dominating the ensemble for another time around, if they position Cyclops to be a strong enough character to go toe to toe with him and ultimately call the shots (I suppose in a similar way to Steve and Tony, albeit with different personalities).

This is, ironically, another reason why I'm partial to the O5. Cyclops is really at the heart of their story.

Psylockolussus complains about origins being played out, but we've never seen the origin of Cyclops. We've seen the origin of Charles, of Erik, of Wolverine, but not Scott. We haven't seen the plane crash, we haven't seen the foster home, we haven't seen Cyclops go from this shy kid with social anxiety to one of Marvel's greatest leaders, and perhaps controversial figures.

The character of Scott Summers and his unique journey is a mine of untapped potential, and the O5 for me symbolizes his actualization

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Psylockolussus complains about origins being played out, but we've never seen the origin of Cyclops. We've seen the origin of Charles, of Erik, of Wolverine, but not Scott. We haven't seen the plane crash, we haven't seen the foster home, we haven't seen Cyclops go from this shy kid with social anxiety to one of Marvel's greatest leaders, and perhaps controversial figures.

The character of Scott Summers and his unique journey is a mine of untapped potential, and the O5 for me symbolizes his actualization

I think in this instance though, you're both right. I think there's a way to honour the legacy of the O5 and Cyclops role in that without necessarily starting the story there. I mean, even if you look at a recent Marvel movie like Shang-Chi - So much of that movie explored his origins, his trauma, his complicated relationships - But he was still a young man by then, who had already lived and experienced a decent amount. They achieved a lot through flashbacks and contrasting the struggles of today with Shang-Chi's need to heal from old trauma.

I think there's a great movie in there, with an experienced X-Man Scott finding himself facing old trauma when he's suddenly responsible for some new, younger students. The thing about trauma is, it will come bubbling to the surface many, many years later when you don't expect it. E.g. an impressionable young Kitty Pride looking up to Scott as some kind of father figure would trigger ALL of his own abandonment issues. And seeing your own surrogate father, Xavier, now concerned with younger, newer mutants? Maybe putting them in situations you don't agree with? Having Xavier forming a new X-Men team could be just the thing shake loose some of that Scott Summers trauma.

I would LOVE to have lots of Xavier/Scott conflict. If they really nail the surrogate father/manipulation aspect of their relationship, that would be something wonderful and unique we've never seen either character embrace on screen before.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Whatever starting roster they go with, I just really, really, really hope we finally see the redemption of Cyclops. He's got one of the most interesting journeys over the years thus far, I feel like he's become less interesting with each cinematic representation.

I'd also like to see them cast someone who can really capture that deeply introverted, "Still waters run deep" quality he has. One of those actors who can just give a lot without needing to say much. We don't need just another teen pretty boy. I want someone who can sell the repressed trauma, wounded son, hidden strength of Scott, you know?

I also think that will be the best thing to stop Wolverine from dominating the ensemble for another time around, if they position Cyclops to be a strong enough character to go toe to toe with him and ultimately call the shots (I suppose in a similar way to Steve and Tony, albeit with different personalities).

Bingo.

Make Scott's journey and character a very present element in the story regardless of where they are aiming for in terms of what's the plan for the character, you can't have him as just a sad sack Baxter to Logan or the "leader" who seems to have zero authority or respect.

Gimme a scene like this where Scott's spartan nature is backed up by everyone around him getting that he's a serious man not to be messed with.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Make Scott's journey and character a very present element in the story regardless of where they are aiming for in terms of what's the plan for the character, you can't have him as just a sad sack Baxter to Logan or the "leader" who seems to have zero authority or respect.

Totally. And I say this as a huge fan of Wolverine. I think a strong, well written Scott only make Logan an even better character. When you make Scott the wimp, it makes Logan the hero by default. But Wolverine isn't a hero. He's a violent man who's trying to be a hero but doesn't believe he can be. I think the beauty of their friendship is that while they both clash all the time, Scott's inner strength always shines through and then ultimately helps inspire Wolverine to be a better person as well. To see that portrayed well on the big screen would be a think of beauty.

(Side note, I'm re-reading X-Men: Schism at the moment so have the Scott/Logan friendship on the brain)