No Way Home Spider-Man: No Way Home Spoiler Discussion Thread

[misjuevos]

I have a question about this, I will try to be vague even though this is spoiler section. How are all these characters, who are from different times, from the same universe still? By this I mean. If some of these characters know each other does that make them from the same universe? Because they are certainly from different time periods in their own lives or sequel movies if that makes more sense. Are the characters just from a multiverse that is so infinite that the overlap is that they knew of a version of each other, but aren't actually the same ones from the other sequels?
I know this is a confusing question, being this vague.

Spoiler

This is a more simplified version of my question. If Doc Ock knows norman osborne and norman knows Doc Ock, are they from the same universe or just very similar to the version that they knew? Because they are from different times in their lives, they are from the point when they died, so Norman would be from Doc Ock's past. Is there a time travel element to this multiverse or just the infinite possibility of it allows for such similarities that they could know each other but aren't really from the same universe?.

 

[Heretic]

Saw it, loved it.

There's a few moments that are a bit excessively fan servicey...but I didnt mind them.

I think the single weakest aspect is Sandman. I just dont understand why he was even fighting the heroes in this. His goal is to see his daughter...his daughter is in his home reality...so...why are you fighting to stay in this reality??? It just didnt work for me.

I really dislike everything about the Amazing Spider-films...but REALLY liked Garfield in this!

 

[Primal Slayer]

Even though Ock shouldnt know how Norman died, the characters likely ran in the same circle for years before the Spidey movies so of course they knew each other.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Oh and to add on cause I cant believe I missed.

Yo Dafoe. Holly hell. How did he get even better? He almost stole the show in this movie. My god....That sequence where hes going at it with Peter in the apartment and is just laughing away while Peter is punching him. Damn. Im so surprised that while they managed to keep him faithful to his original concept, they dubbed down or just had the rest of the villains joking around at every moment. Just weird as hell to me.

 

[misjuevos]

Dafoe in shadow of the vampire is one of my favorites, he is a great actor

 

[legendkillin]

I actually thought it was about to be an estranged Uncle Ben that showed up to pay respects/step up to look after Peter as they have never actually confirmed his death in the MCU have they?

No and when the other Parker's were talking about their Uncle Ben it didn't seem like MCU Peter really knew his.

 

[legendkillin]

Oh and to add on cause I cant believe I missed.

Yo Dafoe. Holly hell. How did he get even better? He almost stole the show in this movie. My god....That sequence where hes going at it with Peter in the apartment and is just laughing away while Peter is punching him. Damn. Im so surprised that while they managed to keep him faithful to his original concept, they dubbed down or just had the rest of the villains joking around at every moment. Just weird as hell to me.

Yeah he didn't miss a beat and it wasn't like he did the character for more than 1 movie. He did the character 20 years ago and was really good. Same for Molina as Otto but damn Dafoe was so good.

 

[misjuevos]

Molina is also great. He did some voice over work for the Elder scrolls online and he is awesome. I still can't get the image of him out of my head from the scene in boogie nights where he is singing.

 

[misjuevos]

Even though Ock shouldnt know how Norman died, the characters likely ran in the same circle for years before the Spidey movies so of course they knew each other.

My question isn't about knowing how each other dies, it is about the characters that appear. Norman is the Norman from Spider-man 1 right before his death. Otto is the Otto from Spider-man 2 right before his death. There is a time difference there. They are from different times. Is that the infinite possibility of the multiverse and they aren't actually from the same universe just similar enough that they know of each other's variants?

 

[The Joker]

Even though Ock shouldnt know how Norman died, the characters likely ran in the same circle for years before the Spidey movies so of course they knew each other.

Ock didn't know how Norman died. Sandman did. Ock only knew that Norman was dead. But he didn't know how he died. Sandman was the one who gave the specifics on how Norman and Otto died. He said it had been all over the news.

 

[RaimiWebSpidey]

Holland's new suit at the end is AMAZINGGGGGGGG

Garfield and Dafoe stole the show in this for sure

Loved seeing Tobey back but he was a bit rusty.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Another aspect that drove me crazy was the reasoning for this. So let me get something straight here....

Peter gets his identity revealed....So where are the death threats on his friends? His family? Where is this fear from him that they could die? Where are the criminals on the street trying to attack MJ because now everyone knows? Would have been nice to really play that up. Then the movie works even better because his essentially trying to save their lives by going to Strange.

But no...the catalyst for all this is because....they got rejected from college? That was really the tipping point. Really?

Missed opportunity. I would have preferred they take a page out of the "Back in black" story from the comics. Have a hit job out on his family/friends or something along those lines to really rase the stakes on everything...No...What gets the ball rolling is them being rejected from college...It almost seems too comical to even type but its real.

 

[CB Fan]

No and when the other Parker's were talking about their Uncle Ben it didn't seem like MCU Peter really knew his.

Peters gonna need someone so bring in hot estranged uncle Ben.

 

[legendkillin]

I have a question about this, I will try to be vague even though this is spoiler section. How are all these characters, who are from different times, from the same universe still? By this I mean. If some of these characters know each other does that make them from the same universe? Because they are certainly from different time periods in their own lives or sequel movies if that makes more sense. Are the characters just from a multiverse that is so infinite that the overlap is that they knew of a version of each other, but aren't actually the same ones from the other sequels?
I know this is a confusing question, being this vague.

Spoiler

This is a more simplified version of my question. If Doc Ock knows norman osborne and norman knows Doc Ock, are they from the same universe or just very similar to the version that they knew? Because they are from different times in their lives, they are from the point when they died, so Norman would be from Doc Ock's past. Is there a time travel element to this multiverse or just the infinite possibility of it allows for such similarities that they could know each other but aren't really from the same universe?.

From what I understood they are from their own movie universe.
Otto and Norman are older guys so they knew of each other, Toby's Spider-Man movies didn't have big time gaps. Sandman was the third movie so he knew both of their fates since Otto did not know he died. I think they were all pulled at the point of death.

Electro did not know any of the Toby villains but he knew of Lizard because his movie was 2nd in Garfield. Lizard didn't know anyone because he was first in Garfield, Electro was a "Loser" so he wouldn't know him as a regular guy.

 

[legendkillin]

Another aspect that drove me crazy was the reasoning for this. So let me get something straight here....

Peter gets his identity revealed....So where are the death threats on his friends? His family? Where is this fear from him that they could die? Where are the criminals on the street trying to attack MJ because now everyone knows? Would have been nice to really play that up. Then the movie works even better because his essentially trying to save their lives by going to Strange.

But no...the catalyst for all this is because....they got rejected from college? That was really the tipping point. Really?

Missed opportunity. I would have preferred they take a page out of the "Back in black" story from the comics. Have a hit job out on his family/friends or something along those lines to really rase the stakes on everything...No...What gets the ball rolling is them being rejected from college...It almost seems too comical to even type but its real.

Well I am sure a lot of time passed from the week Mysterio died to school starting and college acceptance. I think a prison scene would have been great if they had access to Keaton to be Vulture, the Scorpio guy in the previous movie mentioned knowing guys that would love to cut him up something to that extent. I didn't think the opening scenes before Strange was bad, Parker is a kid still and Strange reacted best that Parker coming to get a spell for college is pretty impulsive and childish.

Everything in their life was being impacted though, even if it is as small as the college rejections.

 

[Primal Slayer]

My question isn't about knowing how each other dies, it is about the characters that appear. Norman is the Norman from Spider-man 1 right before his death. Otto is the Otto from Spider-man 2 right before his death. There is a time difference there. They are from different times. Is that the infinite possibility of the multiverse and they aren't actually from the same universe just similar enough that they know of each other's variants?

They come from the same universe and thus...know each other. Why wouldnt Norman know Otto and vice versa? These men were in their 40s, had long careers, lived in the same city, both were inventors. Its 100% plausible they'd run in similar circles

 

[misjuevos]

From what I understood they are from their own movie universe.

I thought this as well, but the time difference between movies is what is off. Otto didn't get his arms until after Norman's death in the first movie. This Norman is the one from the first movie, and because he is dead when Otto gets his arms. I am thinking they are from different universe's but so similar they think they knew each other. Just like how this universe has the same J Jonah Jameson, his is very similar to the Toby movies. Yes I know it's the same actor. I think this is the infinite possibility of the multiverse. This Norman and Otto might not be from the same universe just very similar to the Spider-man 1&2 versions.

 

[misjuevos]

They come from the same universe and thus...know each other. Why wouldnt Norman know Otto and vice versa? These men were in their 40s, had long careers, lived in the same city, both were inventors. Its 100% plausible they'd run in similar circles

Again my point wasn't about knowing each other. It is about the time periods these two are from. There is no Norman Osborne when we see this version of Doc Ock, Norman is already dead in his universe, so it must be a Norman from another Universe, he is just very similar.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Anyone else get Spider-man ps4 vibes from the final scene?

 

[BobJM]

Ock didn't know how Norman died. Sandman did. Ock only knew that Norman was dead. But he didn't know how he died. Sandman was the one who gave the specifics on how Norman and Otto died. He said it had been all over the news.

But the world doesn’t know that Green Goblin and Norman are the same person; that’s why Spider-Man removed his armor when he dropped off Norman’s body at the penthouse when Harry saw him.

 

[Mistah K88]

But the world doesn’t know that Green Goblin and Norman are the same person; that’s why Spider-Man removed his armor when he dropped off Norman’s body at the penthouse when Harry saw him.

In that same movie trilogy, the butler knew somehow just by cleaning Norman’s wounds. I’m going to say Bernard had a tell all book written.

 

[The Joker]

But the world doesn’t know that Green Goblin and Norman are the same person; that’s why Spider-Man removed his armor when he dropped off Norman’s body at the penthouse when Harry saw him.

Yeah but after Harry died the truth probably came out. Both Osborns died by impalement. I bet it all came out after that.

 

[Silver Surfer]

I am so glad they mentioned that Tobey's Peter and Mary Jane had reconciled and were now back together.

 

[Superhero 101]

I was kind of sad that Andrew Peter hasn’t found his MJ

 

[Silver Surfer]

I was kind of sad that Andrew Peter hasn’t found his MJ

Didn't Tobey tell him that he hopes Andrew can find "someone". I think that was a wink/nod to the audience that he will find his MJ, eventually.