Picard Star Trek: Picard - General Discussion Thread

[misjuevos]

I am looking forward to seeing Geordi after all this time. I don't want to see him return like Scotty did, being out of touch. I hope he is still top of his game.

 

[Sithborg]

I think Jack's situation resembles Bob's from Needle (1950) by Hal Clement. The changelings have found a way to bond with solids, to increase the capabilities of both parties. Jack has unknowingly been carrying one (probably a fugitive). Worf is in a similar partnership, willingly, with one of the good changelings.

He has a Changeling STD.

 

[Dark Raven]

He has a Changeling STD.

Star Trek Discovery?

 

[misjuevos]

What ever happened to the coalescent beings from TNG? Maybe these are actually them and not changelings. Maybe the changelings are going to help fight against the coalescent beings. Maybe the changelings and coalescents joined together to form this new variant.

As far as bonding with solids, there was a TNG episode with the progenitors that tell how they seeded life on most of the worlds. So it would really only be a matter of solving the problem once then just applying it to another race which share some common ancestor. The progenitor was actually played by the female founder from DS9. The progenitor even looked somewhat like the humanoid form of a changeling. So I wonder if all this is connected? The progenitors, the coalescents, and the changelings.

 

[Dark Raven]

What ever happened to the coalescent beings from TNG? Maybe these are actually them and not changelings. Maybe the changelings are going to help fight against the coalescent beings. Maybe the changelings and coalescents joined together to form this new variant.

As far as bonding with solids, there was a TNG episode with the progenitors that tell how they seeded life on most of the worlds. So it would really only be a matter of solving the problem once then just applying it to another race which share some common ancestor. The progenitor was actually played by the female founder from DS9. The progenitor even looked somewhat like the humanoid form of a changeling. So I wonder if all this is connected? The progenitors, the coalescents, and the changelings.

Which episode are you referring to in TNG?

 

[misjuevos]

Which episode are you referring to in TNG?

Oops, I meant to put the episodes. Both are from Season 6 of TNG. The progenitor was from S06E20 The Chase. The Coalescent being is from S06E13 Aquiel.

 

[vantheman77]

Star Trek Picard stars would like to see a Star Trek Legacy spinoff focusing on the children of TNG. Combine that with Picard's 1st season cast, I'd be down with it.

 

[elgaz]

That latest episode was great, so much nostalgia and lots of little easter eggs all over the place.

 

[misjuevos]

So now we get more of the puzzle revealed. If Picard's body is the thing everyone wanted could the borg be involved with the changelings? Could the real thing the changelings want be the disease Picard had and now his son also has? Are these fanatical changelings just trying to do to the federation what they did to the changelings? Do they want to infect solids with a disease and need Picard's body to set this in motion? Have the borg actually managed to join with the changelings to form this new version? Are the borg the actual boss and using the changelings? Will we see a war between the borg and changelings we never got to see?

Well the mystery is keeping me interested, if nothing else. Hope this mystery goes somewhere.

 

[Karelia]

Absolutely loving Picard S3!

 

[Teelie]

The borg have zero involvement. Jurati would prevent that. It's more likely they want the disease Picard and son have or to somehow gain access to his brain for something else. I doubt codes or knowledge he had would be up-to-date and besides they have infiltrated higher up than him already.

 

[DKDetective]

The borg have zero involvement. Jurati would prevent that. It's more likely they want the disease Picard and son have or to somehow gain access to his brain for something else. I doubt codes or knowledge he had would be up-to-date and besides they have infiltrated higher up than him already.

Yup, the multiple references to Section 31, its bioweapon plague against the Founders, and the emphasis on Picard and Jack's Irumodic Syndrome all suggest to me that they are planning on unleashing the poetic revenge of a similar plague against humanity.

 

[Gaultheria]

Yup, the multiple references to Section 31, its bioweapon plague against the Founders, and the emphasis on Picard and Jack's Irumodic Syndrome all suggest to me that they are planning on unleashing the poetic revenge of a similar plague against humanity.

Jack’s description of his syndrome as "overclocked brain" makes it seem potentially beneficial — as if it’s halfway to Q-like ascendancy or something — if the harmful aspects can be managed properly. Changelings might want that for themselves, since they can fine-tune their physiologies to compensate.

 

[misjuevos]

All interesting theories. I am thinking changeling fanatics are trying to make a bioweapon, but I still think the borg have something to do whether good or bad with this. The only reason to introduce the fact that all the Federation ships are connected to each other now, is so that we will see someone take control of this "network". Could be Data uses it to defend or the otherside uses it to take control. Then Picard and crew will have to get an old ship from the fleet museum that isn't connected.

 

[elgaz]

I'm not convinced irumodic syndrome is involved here. Looking at the Star Trek Wiki, it does eventually lead to death but only after some time and initially the symptoms are just confusion, delusions, etc. It also only seems to be a human condition. I feel that if the Changelings were wanted to unlease some kind of biological weapon again the Federation which affected all the species within it, they would use something much more effective and deadly.

All interesting theories. I am thinking changeling fanatics are trying to make a bioweapon, but I still think the borg have something to do whether good or bad with this. The only reason to introduce the fact that all the Federation ships are connected to each other now, is so that we will see someone take control of this "network". Could be Data uses it to defend or the otherside uses it to take control. Then Picard and crew will have to get an old ship from the fleet museum that isn't connected.

This was my thinking also, I don't think Geordi's daughter mentioned his staunch resistance to linking all modern federation ships just as a throwaway line - especially when they're in the vicinity of so many older and unlinked ships. It's a bit reminiscent of the same plot line in Battlestar Galactica, but I've no doubt we'll see them in one of the older ships - just a question which. The Enterprise D would have fans jumping up and down but it's a question of whether they salvaged it after it crashlanded in Generations and rebuilt it for the fleet museum - or if it's still in pieces, will they end up in another ship. I do think it's absence from the walk-through of the fleet museum ships (nor even a reference to it) was conspicuous but not sure if that means anything yet.

 

[misjuevos]

Another theory is Species 8472(Undine) are controlling the changelings, which might explain how the changelings passed the blood test. Also maybe Vadic cuts her arm off to somehow trigger some telepathic communication with them. The reason Vadic needs Picard's body might be for some old nanoprobes to free these changelings from Species 8472. Or The Undine and Changelings are working together because they both have been attacked with bioweapons from Federation Members.

Check out Voyager Season 5 Episode 4 In the Flesh. The Undine(Species 8472) recreated Starfleet Academy so they could practice before they infiltrate Earth. I know the changelings already did this in homefront, but the Undine haven't.

Maybe the red door and vines are actually Fluidic Space where the Undine come from. So the visions Jack gets is telling him to open Fluidic Space.

Having the Undine would make Seven being in this season more impactful as well.

 

[Gaultheria]

Maybe the red door and vines are actually Fluidic Space where the Undine come from. So the visions Jack gets is telling him to open Fluidic Space.

Sounds like Jack could be a chimera like Dal from Prodigy. Dal’s genetic mix includes 8472 DNA.

 

[misjuevos]

Sounds like Jack could be a chimera like Dal from Prodigy. Dal’s genetic mix includes 8472 DNA.

I haven't seen any of the animated stuff, can you elaborate some more?

 

[Gaultheria]

I haven't seen any of the animated stuff, can you elaborate some more?

Dal R'El is a super-Augment — possibly why his name rhymes with "Kal-El" — made from several species' DNA.

I was wrong about Species 8472 DNA being part of his genetic makeup. It's not ruled out, but it's not confirmed. A scientist tested Dal's DNA against a long list of species (including 8472). The scientist confirmed traces of some of those species but did not mention whether or not there was a match with Species 8472.

His creators' identity, and their reason for making him, is still a mystery.

 

[Teelie]

DNA testing is trivial for them. Anything unusual in his genetics should be easy to see.

 

[misjuevos]

Dal R'El is a super-Augment — possibly why his name rhymes with "Kal-El" — made from several species' DNA.

I was wrong about Species 8472 DNA being part of his genetic makeup. It's not ruled out, but it's not confirmed. A scientist tested Dal's DNA against a long list of species (including 8472). The scientist confirmed traces of some of those species but did not mention whether or not there was a match with Species 8472.

His creators' identity, and their reason for making him, is still a mystery.

Oh, gotcha. I think this series is more tie in for TNG,DS9, and VOY.

I am thinking the undine have taken control of the changelings. So now you have the changelings wanting Picard's body for the old nanoprobes to free themselves from Species 8472(undine), and you have the Undine wanting Jack's body for his disease to create a bioweapon to kill the humans. So this might turn into an Undine vs everyone battle.

 

[Dark Raven]

Who are the Undine? They don't sound like very good dinner guests.

 

[misjuevos]

Who are the Undine? They don't sound like very good dinner guests.

The Undine are what the borg call Species 8472

I was wondering if Picard and crew could just go get B4 and take his memories that Data uploaded in Nemesis movie to restore the Old Data.

 

[Baggers]

Another round of Baggers Fan Theories for Picard Season 3!!!

After seeing the teaser for this week's episode with "The Face" aka Vadic's boss it seems he isn't a Changeling himself, so got me thinking what if he is a Pah-wraith?! The last avatar for the Pah-wraiths was Gul Dukat, what if he back but Non-corporeal using Vadic's arm as a way to communicate?!

In Jack's visions it is very red and stormy so could it be the "prison" the Pah-wraiths and Dukat are trapped in?!

Jack's eyes glow red like someone taken over by a Pah-wraith? His visions and his Irumodic Syndrome could be caused by this Pah-wraith. It makes me think of the DS9 episode "Rapture" where Sisko was having visions which was risking his life. What if this Pah-wraith is inside Jack and causing the visions? Would explain why the Changelings want him back so back.

I love that the Changelings are back and Star Trek: Picard Season 3 has been awesome and incredible so far, but the Changelings are a DS9 threat so find it weird for the TNG Crew to versus them, so hoping Sisko pops back soon, maybe this why I'm putting so much investment in this Fan Theory: the final battle of the Pah-wraiths vs Prophets and the return finally of Sisko?!!!

I still wanna see O'Brien too dammit!!!

 

[misjuevos]

This is from Voyager 2 parter Scorpion. Shows Kim infected from being scratched by Species 8472. These remind me of the red vines from Jack's vision.