Discussion: The DEMOCRATIC P - Part 3

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I'm using the Pod Save America definition of centrist, which is defined as more of of a personality trait (one that's obnoxiously and aggressively expressed by folks who seem to get off on bucking their party) than a political ideology (which is where the term "moderate" comes in). YMMV.
 
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I... I thought Terry was a pro?

What is this bull****? How could you expect to pull this off in any way in the modern world?

And I can already see the finagling, the angle of "We were sent to showcase Youngkin's real support metaphorically..." but c'mon... We know what they were trying to do.

A really amateur move here.
 
The attorney general who's running for governor. Just follow those basic steps that the governor before Kathy couldn't even follow.

You really think she can beat the incumbent throughout the state? I'm not that familiar with either of them, but I would support more progressive candidates pretty much across the board.
 
You really think she can beat the incumbent throughout the state? I'm not that familiar with either of them, but I would support more progressive candidates pretty much across the board.
Forget it. You're overthinking a tongue-in-cheek comment aimed at Cuomo too seriously. :lmao:
 
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I'm using the Pod Save America definition of centrist, which is defined as more of of a personality trait (one that's obnoxiously and aggressively expressed by folks who seem to get off on bucking their party) than a political ideology (which is where the term "moderate" comes in). YMMV.
That was your first mistake.
 
Forget it. You're overthinking a tongue-in-cheek comment aimed at Cuomo too seriously. :lmao:
Wulllllll…….What if they both avoid those pitfalls? Who wins then? Huh?
 
Wulllllll…….What if they both avoid those pitfalls? Who wins then? Huh?
Idk. @KRYPTON INC. is the dirty Dune hater New Yorker here. :p If Kathy is accepted, it could be anyone's game. But Letita has POC card in her deck.
 
Idk. @KRYPTON INC. is the dirty Dune hater New Yorker here. :p If Kathy is accepted, it could be anyone's game. But Letita has POC card in her deck.

She seems to have inroads with Progs but... I can't myself gauge how deep that is, either her own bona fides and beliefs or in how much she is actually capable of motivating that demo in the State.

So if one is a Prog that's one thing to consider right now.

Two... She has a killer instinct, so again... What the Progs think may vary, given how the target this time was someone that Progs wanted the scalp of... But there are also those that find how she in a way cleared the field by acting as aggressivly as she has with Cuomo's charges and ultimate downfall to possible just be an example of "Politics As Usual". Again... Killer instinct against a foe with evaporating support in the public showing good timing but some think this shows a grasping for power streak too.

I think that we honestly know less than we should and I'm gun shy after Sinema and Manchin.

On the other hand, killer instinct is exactly what's gonna be needed in dealing with the threat of the GQP on all levels. Why would we expect the Blue Stronghold of New York City and State to be a cake walk for the forces of Fascism?

The counter to that is...

Where are the charges against Trump and the true inner circle of both his campaign and admin.? Why as with the party on a National level does this feel again like there's a lackidaiscal stroll to justice that's stopping to smell the roses on the way when it comes to holding Trump world into account? I know... This isn't ALL on James, but there's a part that does go... If individual States are freer than the Feds, why does it all still seem as though the emergency brake is on all the time? James could theoretically bring a host of charges with ample evidence... And we all wait.

Not saying that's all there is to know about her. We don't know enough honestly. Just pointing these things out.
 
This isn’t a refutation of what I said. I’m not arguing that the Democratic Party is made up of a bunch of socialists. What I’m saying is that two Democrats - who can be described as centrist, moderate, conservative, whatever - have been allowed to gut a bill that was representative of the broader Democratic agenda. Joe Biden ran on policies he was forced to cut because of them. We’ve seen support come from leadership and the rank-and-file. I haven’t seen any substantive evidence to suggest Sinema and Manchin were acting on behalf of, or taking the heat for, a silent majority.


Funny how now it's being tanked by Bernie & Friends, not happy to go along with what can be reasonably/practically passed. This works both ways, Biden's getting it from both ends. That's sort of the problem: you try to please everybody end up pleasing nobody.

Still think they'll get something passed here though, they basically have to or it's all over red rover. Pelosi'll do what she needs to to get it home. It was never going to be 3 trillion though, that figure was always basically "overshoot, then when it comes down to something reasonable we seem like we played ball".
 
Funny how now it's being tanked by Bernie & Friends, not happy to go along with what can be reasonably/practically passed. This works both ways, Biden's getting it from both ends. That's sort of the problem: you try to please everybody end up pleasing nobody.

Huh? Where are you getting that information from? Last I saw, they were asking for common sense guarantees and a chance to look over legislative text before making any promises on their end.

Still think they'll get something passed here though, they basically have to or it's all over red rover.

Agreed.
 
Didn't Bernie just say he wouldn't go forward on this version of it, along with AOC and Omar? Admittedly think that was yesterday, could be developments since. Guess there's still room for negotiations, but when you're caught between Bernie & Manchin something's gotta give. Get something or stick to principle and get nothing, that's just the reality of this.
 
Just so people are clear. Progressives have said they will go along with this framework as long as they have assurances it will pass and are holding up the vote on the hard infrastructure bill until they get them or have them voted on at the same time. They are also trying to get as much added to the bill as possible before the language is finalized. This is drawing out the approval process, but they are in no way, shape or form tanking the bill.
 
Ah, right. Must have been the wanting assurances bit I was conflating. Could have sworn there was a soundbite on CNN of Bush & AOC saying something to the effect of "there's no way to get me to a yes" (on the cut-down bill version) though. But that wasn't today, so things may have changed, obviously this is all in flux hour to hour.
 
Ah, right. Must have been the wanting assurances bit I was conflating. Could have sworn there was a soundbite on CNN of Bush & AOC saying something to the effect of "there's no way to get me to a yes" (on the cut-down bill version) though. But that wasn't today, so things may have changed, obviously this is all in flux hour to hour.

I saw an interview with Bush yesterday saying they needed to pass both bills at the same time or she wasn't going to vote for the hard infrastructure bill. When asked whether or not a public assurance from Manchin/Sinema would do it, she didn't commit, but said it would go a long way (I think that's her way of saying "yes"). I don't think she's particularly smart in terms of what she says publicly. She was egged on by the interviewer and kept saying she didn't "trust" Manchin/Sinema. That's rather stupid talk IMO. She should have said that it wasn't a matter of trust. It was just a matter of making sure we got both bills approved in order to help her constituents and the country. People can read between those lines without name calling.
 
CNBC - Virginia’s governor’s race remains a dead heat in polls, but Democrats lead in early voting

Both Fivethirtyeight and the rightwing RCP showed Northam with a small lead in 2017 and he won by 9 points. Can only hope for an aggregate polling error like 4 years ago.

Northam Heads Into Virginia Governor’s Race With A Small Lead (2017)
I think Trump not being on the ballot is a big deal. It also speaks to the current republican party being something of a personality cult rather than a party of policy.
 

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