James Bond: 007 - Spectre

[DarthSkywalker]

Overrated? It's still the best FPS...

Plus, every game (COD/HALO/etc.) PS/Xbox relies on to make money wouldn't be possible without GoldenEye.

That doesn't make it a better game. Rare made a "sequel" in Perfect Dark, which was vastly superior. GoldenEye 007 is not Half-Life. It doesn't stand the test of time. It is all nostalgia.

I really don't think the N64 Goldeneye game could be said to have been overrated at the time. It revolutionised its genre: prior to it, 3D shooters were still following a Doom/Quake recipe of collecting progressively bigger guns, firing and strafing.

In terms of importance, Half-Life came out a year later and legitimately changed everything. It actually played with structure and story delivery. It is also still a very good game.

 

[regwec]

You seem to be judging videogames by their similarity to movies. That's novel.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

When they "go back in time" it's more like Skyfall than anything else. Because I have rarely seen anything like that in a blockbuster film before. In these types of films, the third act means wanton destruction and all around mayhem, but Mendes beautifully scales it all back and saturates us in visuals and atmosphere. I would have to go back to Predator to witness a third act as "artsy" as Skyfall.

I am not saying it reaches the same heights the third act of Predato does (it's perfection), but it comes damn close. Aided in no small terms by Deakins' haunting imagery. No wonder many hate it.

"Skyfall" has maybe my favorite third act that isn't "The Empire Strikes Back". I am literally watching it right now. Bond just drove up to Skyfall. I love the delivery and how it plays on tropes. But there is plenty of destruction and mayhem. From a helicopter attack to the Home Alone style traps. Heck, the sinking house in CR is more low key.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You seem to be judging videogames by their similarity to movies. That's novel.

Not sure what you mean by this. I am judging GoldenEye the game next to other FPS.

 

[random_havoc]

I'm nervous about this movie as I hated skyfall. It brought back a number of elements that I thought had been wisely discarded since the reboot. For example, the villain sees bond go under the ice fighting a nameless thug. He could stand there for a minute and make sure he's dead but no he just leaves.
http://youtu.be/Gb428ySuFjA

 

[regwec]

Hey! Someone that didn't like Skyfall!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm nervous about this movie as I hated skyfall. It brought back a number of elements that I thought had been wisely discarded since the reboot. For example, the villain sees bond go under the ice fighting a nameless thug. He could stand there for a minute and make sure he's dead but no he just leaves.
http://youtu.be/Gb428ySuFjA

And if M escaped? He was on a suicide mission. All he cared about was M.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Hey! Someone that didn't like Skyfall!

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I'm nervous about this movie as I hated skyfall. It brought back a number of elements that I thought had been wisely discarded since the reboot. For example, the villain sees bond go under the ice fighting a nameless thug. He could stand there for a minute and make sure he's dead but no he just leaves.
http://youtu.be/Gb428ySuFjA

Because he doesn't care about Bond, only M and he noticed her escaping.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Because he doesn't care about Bond, only M and he noticed her escaping.

 

[chamber-music]

Brosnan era has the most clinically boring Bond film ever made. Tomorrow Nevah Dies. The film feels like it was made solely to mathematically fill in conventional boxes. The World is not Enough at least tries to be good. And DAD is devastatingly hilarious. But neither are woefully, painstakingly ...ordinary. **** that movie.

I hated Carver but on the bright side Gerard Butler got blown up within the first five minutes of the movie.

 

[DKDetective]

Not sure what you mean by this. I am judging GoldenEye the game next to other FPS.

I think you are both a bit right and a bit wrong. Darth, you are right, Goldeneye was far from revolutionary as a general FPS when it came out. It was dated and simplistic in comparison to PC FPS games at the time. Half-Life is the truly revolutionary FPS of that time.

However, regwec is right in that Goldeneye was revolutionary as a console FPS. You need to remember the vast hardware discrepancy between the N64 and a late-90s gaming PC. Goldeneye gave us great, split-screen FPS console multiplayer and that is where its true legacy lies.

 

[Visceral]

I think both CR and Skyfall are brilliant films. I lean toward CR because there is no getting around that opening chase scene, I really dont think there has been an action scene that good since.

One thing I like about both films are the quiet scenes. Bond is a very solitary character and you can almost see him enjoying his solitude in both films. There are a few scenes in the Bahamas that lend themselves to this. Then in skyfall when there are scenes where he sits at the bar alone almost as if he is contemplating his the world around him, the morality of his actions, and the people he has lost along the way. Its something you cant get in a mission impossible film.

there was one such moment i remember from the older films in Goldfinger. where he parks the Martin in Switzerland to enjoy the view, just before being shot at by ***** Galore. Its like he has the most exciting life and no can really come along for the ride. I guess this is hard for me to explain but its something I really like about the character.

 

[chamber-music]

I would probably drink to excess at bars alone as well if someone smashed my balls in with a rope.

No wonder Bond doesn't have a bunch of kids running around.

 

[Doc Ock]

I'm a Skyfall guy. I enjoy Casino Royale as a origin movie of sorts for Bond, but Skyfall took some of the best elements about Bond's past and mashed it into not only a great commentary on the current state of espionage, but also England's position in international politics. I also love that it's also about the whole crew (Q, Moneypenny, new M even though I <3 Dench) coming together.



There more good things about the Brosnan era than Dench. Too bad 90% of it is only in Goldeneye. Brosnan gets crap, but I enjoyed him immensely in Goldeneye.

I think describing Skyfall as the ultimate Bond film is a good description. I love Casino Royale but Skyfall is my preference. It was the perfect Bond film for a 50th anniversary.

Goldeneye and Brosnan are still my favorite. Even though his later films never was a similar quality to Goldeneye, there was some nice moments!

Good Lord what a beautiful woman.



Yes, that's a good observation. TND is one of a few Bond movies that feels completely loveless. DAF has a similar feel, though I do enjoy the twin pairs of henchmen, Wint and Kidd, and Bambi and Thumper.

Yeah I think the henchmen are the best part of DAF. Connery, Moore, and Brosnan seemed to leave after their worst films. I hope the same doesn't happen to Craig.

I feel like no one would hold that movie to any regard without GoldenEye for N64...

Wut. That's silly to me, I know the game was a huge hit (I even still own my copy and play it time to time) but was huge too. The game came what, two years later?

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Hey! Someone that didn't like Skyfall!

 

[Pittman4Two]

Not a big fan of Skyfall myself, especially when compared to CR. I know, both totally different films. I just found myself much more entertained with CR. I hope Spectre finds itself somewhere in the middle as I know the majority of audiences enjoyed Skyfall so it would make sense for the production to be along its same lines.

 

[Lord]

Actualy knew some people that didn't like Skyfall, i guess it just wasn't their cup of tea, they seem to have enjoyed Casino Royale a lot, and find Quantum entertaining. Skyfall was a bit slower, though i myself prefer when Bond films take their time, which is why From Russia With Love is my favorite one from the Connery era.

 

[Octoberist]

It's one thing to not like Skyfall, but i don't anyone can deny it's craftsmanship.

If all else, I had issue with it's pacing..and how they treated Severine. Otherwise, it's one of the Bond films. We're lucky to have movies like that and Casino Royale after what Bond has gone through. It wasn't smooth sailing when there were points in history where Bond either was going to die out, or become irrelevant. But look it now: Bond is unbeatable. It's resilient.

 

[Lord]

Yeah, Bond has a strange history, Lazenby almost killed the light the series had, then it was the franchise starting to lose popularity throghout Moore's run, until it almost died with Timothy Dalton and the end of the Cold War. Goldeneye saved it at the right time, and interestingly enough, that film's popularity was followed by disapointments, losing its momentum entirely, around 10 years later they had to reboot, even though Goldeneye itself had been a sort of rebrand for the series post-cold war.

Seems like right now the film series is once again at the very top, regarding box office yearly grosses, it hasn't been this high since around the Sean Connery era, when it usualy placed among the top 3-5 highest grossing movies of the year.

 

[vanson]

I definitely agree on TND. It is so insanely boring, I just can't watch it. At least with most of Moore's films I can laugh or roll my eyes while I complain. Not with TND.

There is stuff that is pretty cool.. for instance the pre titles or the dr. kaufman scene

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yeah, Bond has a strange history, Lazenby almost killed the light the series had, then it was the franchise starting to lose popularity throghout Moore's run, until it almost died with Timothy Dalton and the end of the Cold War. Goldeneye saved it at the right time, and interestingly enough, that film's popularity was followed by disapointments, losing its momentum entirely, around 10 years later they had to reboot, even though Goldeneye itself had been a sort of rebrand for the series post-cold war.

Seems like right now the film series is once again at the very top, regarding box office yearly grosses, it hasn't been this high since around the Sean Connery era, when it usualy placed among the top 3-5 highest grossing movies of the year.

I'm not at all sure what you mean by this.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I hated Carver but on the bright side Gerard Butler got blown up within the first five minutes of the movie.

WHOA, Gerard Butler was in that movie? I didn't even remember that. All I remember of that film was Jonathan Pryce hamming it up and Bond driving a BMV via remote control.

 

[Octoberist]

I prefered TND over TWINE

 

[StarLord]

WHOA, Gerard Butler was in that movie? I didn't even remember that. All I remember of that film was Jonathan Pryce hamming it up and Bond driving a BMV via remote control.

Haha, that scene where the BMW smashes through the AVIS car rental was a big deal. I remember it being in all the newspapers when it was shot.