OK, but you don't know about any official embargoes they are dealing with on X-men and Avengers. Also, some of the embargoes with JLU had to do with characters not exactly originating with DC Comics which means their media rights might be tied up elsewhere.
Fair enough. WB also sometimes has strategies that are simply bizarre.
Umm . . . the same company that's doing Avengers, it's called Marvel Studios. If you have any word that First Serv Toonz put some embargo on the Magneto brood, please let us know. Network suits aren't producing or funding these shows.
I don't know right now. I just know that unless things are handled well with Wanda, it may be considered awkward to have two versions of a character on two shows on the same network that aren't linked. Now, Kyle and Yost are involved in W&TXM and A:EMH, respectively; the pair talk often and collaborate on a lot of work. It may be possible that W&TXM could share a loose continuity. Especially since W&TXM is getting a second season and may be on a third when A:EMH is starting.
Of course, examining what is possible and what is likely is another matter. Marvel hasn't had any continuity between animated projects since the 90's when Saban was involved in most of them. Timm & Co. got a lot of mileage for their shows and Marvel's movies are doing it. Audiences on TV increasingly like it and see it as a reward for paying attention. Even every reboot of TMNT tries to tie into the past stuff. It wouldn't take much to have Wanda transition from W&TXM to A:EMH and to maybe even allude to "WOLVERINE VS. THE HULK" (the episode) as a pre-Avengers conflict.
I take your all due respect and I triangle choke it
. I've had plenty of problems with animated projects since 2001. I think MTV Spider-man is one of the biggest abominations mankind has ever known.
Heh, nobody likes it. I'd never put it on a Top 20 list, but it had it's moments. Network demands and lack of writer imagination strangled that show, though.
For one thing, we haven't even seen Wanda yet in Wolverine and The X-men. You can't actually say she's a villain. And in the comics, Scarlett Witch did start as a villain and a member of the Brotherhood. Scarlett Witch was also a member of Force Works in the Iron Man animated series
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Scarlet is spelled with one t.
And I do know all that.
I get it you are a Wanda fan, you don't like what Disassembled did to her, and I don't either. And you want to see Wanda in the Avengers. OK that's all very valid. But I'm not counting chickens before they hatch, you are ready to eat some baloot on the other hand.
Nothing irks me more than missed potential, and this would be it. Bruce Timm literally used the 1999 Avengers cartoon as what NOT to do in JL/U and often said things like, "you only get one chance in a decade to do a show like this, and you have to get it right or the fans will never forgive you" or words to that effect. Yost, Nieli and Co. also have this mandate, and naturally the fans will at least want to see some of the big time character dynamics represented.
Fans can or at least should be willing to bend if not every story isn't translated panel for panel. But stuff like character dynamics & interaction can be represented no matter the episode.
JLU did it with Green Arrow & Black Canary, as well as Huntress and Question. "Fans live and breathe for that kind of stuff," Kyle has said in some interviews, and he's right. Yost knows that too.
OK, but the networks are not funding or producing these shows. Nick Toons made a deal to broadcast Wolverine and The X-men. And from the looks of things, Nick Toons is not producing the second season either, which could quite possibly mean that WTXM could end up on another station. Now unless Nick Toons has some sort of say in characters in this show that Marvel might want to use in a different series that will probably be a separate canon like Avengers, hey you might have a point here. But if Marvel is simply doing these shows themselves, the right way, I'm not going to see much of a problem. If the show and animation is already done and finished, it will be kind of hard if it goes on another network and Nick Toons says, Nuh Uh we have Scarlett Witch in our series, we wants to keep her!
Marvel made a new X-men series without 20th Century Fox's involvement. I think that's good for all of us.
That is good. It will seem weird if NickToons airs a first season of W&TXM but not a second; and they may get uppity if some characters change hands even if they have no intention of airing episodes; networks live and breathe to **** each other over. It is something to look out for. Of course, if NickToons decides to become the new FoxKids for Marvel, then all is peachy.
Vision as a character can exist without Wanda. He's still a good character, and considering all the history with the Pyms, Ultron, etc. there's a lot of story there. But that said, we still don't know if we won't see Wanda or not. Ideally I would definitely want to get all the Wanda, Simon/Wonder Man, Vision in there, as much as possible. Just not include the crap like creating twins out of thin air. Just do a whole Wanda/Vision/Wonder Man thing with Vision because his love is real, but he is not.
I would too. Vision is a character without Wanda, but with her both are better. It is like, which Green Arrow episodes of JLU were better; ones with or without Black Canary? Hell, he was oogling her from his first appearance. Timm & Co. GET IT. My big question is, do Yost & Nieli, and is Marvel willing to let them? Marvel can have demands, too.
And frankly, that demand should be, "we are lucky we are getting another chance on Avengers in under 15 years. We absolutely cannot **** it up twice. Not with a movie on the way."
OK but at the end of the day, would you say the show still worked fine with those characters ultimately? Yes I do know all that. But the point is for the sake of telling a story for a new animated series that is NOT the comic, did it work for that story?
It did to some degree. Even if by the time JLU ended, John and Shayera were no longer a couple. But a lot of people were irritated by it.
Again, I think with Justice League, a lot of character interactions had to be created because the premise is simpler than Avengers. Avengers has more intertwined and defined character interactions and dynamics than JLA had for much of it's history. That is the bread and butter of making the show work.
United They Stand had Wanda. It had Hawkeye. And it sucked. Looking at the poster it says FINALLY we are getting a show with the big three. Thor, Iron Man, and Cap are the holy trinity of the Avengers that United They Stand decided not to do. That's the biggest step in the right direction I can think of for this show.
You seem to imply A:UTS sucked only because Hawkeye and Wanda were on it. That was far from the only reason.
I do agree it is a step in the right direction, but it cannot be the only one.
Even if this show does not have Hawkeye or Wanda, which we can not say with absolute certainty after seeing just ONE promo image, I will still give the show a chance.
Oh, well, of course. We all will.
EMH not EGH. Man Dread, I'm not sure I can ever get enough of your man-love for 2k3 TMNT. All that implied death and off-stage slashes makes such the difference
. Also, I quite frankly don't see your point. Spectacular is a great show. X-men I think is a fine show that's actually quite bleak and mature at times. And what else is there? Some bad cartoons a lot of which I think were mistakes and didn't work. I've not watched all of Fantastic Four: WGH. But I mean, that was a case where Marvel got screwed over by CN. And they wisely didn't do the same thing with the new Spidey and X-men. I feel they are learning from past mistakes. And they especially gave a great creative mind like Greg Weisman pretty good freedom for a show like Spectacular.
2k3 TMNT managed to please all audiences, and as it went along was very mature and sometimes dark & bleak; there are plenty of episodes that were darker and took more risks than WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN have so far. Wiesman and Yost both wrote for it, FYI. If you don't care for TMNT, you're not the only one and I won't waste my time convincing you. Taste is taste and we all have different ones. And after TMNT: FF and BTTS, I can understand some people wondering "what was all the fuss about" with those of us who are left.
Your complete and utter disrespect for Kim Possible makes me kimura angry. I think you'd notice a difference if you tried watching any of season 4 of Kim Possible and Totally Spies. Not to mention the spectacular voice cast for Kim Possible including DCAU alum Will Friedle as the male lead, and Bart Simpson as a naked rodent.
Kim Possible > all new TMNT.
I know about Will Friedle being Ron Stoppable. Girlie shows just aren't my bag, man.