Days of Future Past What you didn't like about X-Men:DOFP - Flaws/Critiques

[HIA]

the little action moments we had of Beast in the manssion was some of my best parts of the 70's. And almost the more X-meny stuff we got on this portion of the movie. I wanted to see much more from that, like Kurt stuff in X2, but with Beast this time around.

 

[The Endless]

I didn't like the scene with the guy with the 70s style porn mustache making O-faces. Totally reprehensible and unnecessary for a film of this nature. I mean sure, they are trying to recreate the 70s, but that went too far for my prudish tastes.

 

[Majik1387]

Huh?

 

[X-Maniac]

I didn't like the scene with the guy with the 70s style porn mustache making O-faces. Totally reprehensible and unnecessary for a film of this nature. I mean sure, they are trying to recreate the 70s, but that went too far for my prudish tastes.

What the heck are you talking about? lol... Have you been drinking?

 

[SoldierofWinter]

I don't think as highly of this movie as you guys do. It's pretty good, but not really great. So much of it just doesn't make sense.

 

[SoldierofWinter]

What I liked about Holt was his voice, which is deep and rich enough to give you a sense of the gravitas of the older Beast (in contrast to his skinny kid appearance).

But, er, um, this is a thread about flaws. I had a problem with Erik apologizing all over the place. First of all: he didn't seem to be the type. Secondly: his way of thinking turned out to be right, in the original timeline, in the sense that it was a holocaust for mutants.

Which was brought about because of the situations he created.

 

[SoldierofWinter]

Jennifer was fine in the movie. I'm sick of people bashing her in these movies. She did a fantastic job as mystique and she actually got to be her own character. Instead of just being Magneto's henchmen all over again.

I think Mystique was better as a hench-woman. She had more gravitas. And her entire situation in this movie is that she's a chess pawn to be moved around between Charles and Erik. It's true her and Charles seemed to be the only characters in this movie with arcs though. They really over-inflated her importance in this movie.

 

[mabromov]

I disagree. Mystique was an important character in the days of future past storyline. Which the movie is loosely based on. Also, focusing on the relationship between charles and raven is a good way to create emotional moments in the movie.

 

[Majik1387]

If we're going by chess standards, Mystique was a Queen, not a pawn.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Didn't like how Wolverine had that awesome new costume and had action poses in posters and promotion but didn't get any action in the future

 

[GuestStar2004]

Didn't like how Wolverine had that awesome new costume and had action poses in posters and promotion but didn't get any action in the future

In the wolverine posters he posed with a sword... He never used the sword in the movie, it was all for marketing purposes

 

[SoldierofWinter]

I disagree. Mystique was an important character in the days of future past storyline. Which the movie is loosely based on. Also, focusing on the relationship between charles and raven is a good way to create emotional moments in the movie.

She can be important to the storyline and not be as over-inflated in her importance. Seriously, it's like all the man characters, except for Wolverine, are in love with her or something. Oi. What was Beast's character arc in this movie? Wolverine's? Future characters? Magneto? And the emotional moments in this movie were fabricated out of nothing. They annoyed me intensely. The emotion should be coming from the characters evolution. Even First Class had that. Instead they regress Mystique, regress Charles, and keep Beast and Magneto in the exact same place they were in at the end of First Class. All of Charles and Raven's character evolution, just boop. Gone. I mean, I guess there were like minor shifts, but man did I dislike them, especially Charles' whole "I'm going to risk the entire fate of the future because I want give my little sister a choice." Man, she is choosing to do this now. No one is manipulating her mind. Get over whatever weird guilt you have because she left you lying shot and crippled in the sand, for the man who got you shot and crippled. Man, did this movie bother me.

 

[BeastStorm98]

Wanted some more Blink and Warpath interactions. Ifs obvious they are close though. Loved Warpaths yell when Blink died the first time "Blink!!! NO!"

 

[Majik1387]

She can be important to the storyline and not be as over-inflated in her importance. Seriously, it's like all the man characters, except for Wolverine, are in love with her or something. Oi. What was Beast's character arc in this movie? Wolverine's? Future characters? Magneto? And the emotional moments in this movie were fabricated out of nothing. They annoyed me intensely. The emotion should be coming from the characters evolution. Even First Class had that. Instead they regress Mystique, regress Charles, and keep Beast and Magneto in the exact same place they were in at the end of First Class. All of Charles and Raven's character evolution, just boop. Gone. I mean, I guess there were like minor shifts, but man did I dislike them, especially Charles' whole "I'm going to risk the entire fate of the future because I want give my little sister a choice." Man, she is choosing to do this now. No one is manipulating her mind. Get over whatever weird guilt you have because she left you lying shot and crippled in the sand, for the man who got you shot and crippled. Man, did this movie bother me.

Her importance wasn't over-inflated in the slightest. She was one of the biggest obstacle of the main plot.
Regarding love for Mystique, sorry but no. Only Beast was in love with her, Xavier loved her as a sister, and Magneto really only had a lustful time with her, and he was entirely ready to kill her to ensure no mutant killing machines.
Charles' regression actually played a part into is progression. Mystique didn't regress at all. It wasn't time for Magneto or Beast to evolve too much, Magneto is still a young man in the starting prime of his villainy. Beast is there as a support figure for Charles; until Charles was ready to move forward, Hank wasn't.
And as for Charles taking a risk on Mystique, it's what he had to do. He didn't have any guilt over her shooting him at that point. He got over that when he denied the drug serum. He had the guilt of being the man who always decided things for her and choosing whats best for her, by his standards. Magneto was doing the same thing. Charles trusted enough in her to risk her choosing the better way; It was his first true act of not being the controlling older brother he had always been to her.

 

[momochan]

Beast is there as a support figure for Charles; until Charles was ready to move forward, Hank wasn't.

I do think that a point being made was that Charles' failure at leadership was stunting the growth of those around him like Hank. Hank is shown about to pour himself some hard liquor, following in Charles' drunken footsteps. So in this movie it's part of the whole point that Hank doesn't grow.

 

[SoldierofWinter]

Her importance wasn't over-inflated in the slightest. She was one of the biggest obstacle of the main plot.
Regarding love for Mystique, sorry but no. Only Beast was in love with her, Xavier loved her as a sister, and Magneto really only had a lustful time with her, and he was entirely ready to kill her to ensure no mutant killing machines.
Charles' regression actually played a part into is progression. Mystique didn't regress at all. It wasn't time for Magneto or Beast to evolve too much, Magneto is still a young man in the starting prime of his villainy. Beast is there as a support figure for Charles; until Charles was ready to move forward, Hank wasn't.
And as for Charles taking a risk on Mystique, it's what he had to do. He didn't have any guilt over her shooting him at that point. He got over that when he denied the drug serum. He had the guilt of being the man who always decided things for her and choosing whats best for her, by his standards. Magneto was doing the same thing. Charles trusted enough in her to risk her choosing the better way; It was his first true act of not being the controlling older brother he had always been to her.

I suppose Raven doesn't actually develop, she just seems to be in the same place she was at in the beginning of the movie: On her own, not killing, helping other mutants. I suppose her relationships have progressed, so maybe that's something. The Hank thing doesn't make any sense at all, Hank doesn't follow Charles' lead in this movie, Charles' perceptions alter throughout the film, Hank's doesn't, it doesn't matter if he's a support figure, he's a main character, he should have a character arc, but he doesn't. Nothing changes for him. Same thing with Magneto. He's a main character. He should have an arc. The movie almost never really gets into the idea that Magneto should think that he's now been proven right at this point. That should have been what his character was about in this movie. Start him out doubting his beliefs, you could even parallel his journey with Charles', so once he learns about the future, bam, renewed sense of belief, and he progressively starts getting worse from that point. Charles' sister's comfort level isn't more important than the future.

What I was saying was the guilt for being "the controlling older brother", when really she's the one who should be feeling guilty for running off with the guy who crippled her brother. This movie focuses on the wrong guilt.

 

[SoldierofWinter]

If we're going by chess standards, Mystique was a Queen, not a pawn.

The film is basically about how she is pushed and pulled in different directions by the Charles and Magneto. It's a neat idea, but it never really gets to the point where she really truly breaks free of that. Even at the end, Charles has to give a speech to get her to stop. She doesn't look at all the crap and go, "I better not do this. It's wrong." Charles appears, talks about choice, and she stops. She has to be convinced in some way.

 

[The Endless]

Why didn't Mystique just assassinate Trask in secret instead of in public, then take his place? She could have sabotaged all his work, changed his companies entire philosophy etc.

Basically, it would have been a more effective way to stop the Sentinel program than making a martyr out of him and creating more fear and hate towards mutants.

Her whole plot just falls apart when you apply the smallest bit of logic to it. Stupid girl.

 

[Majik1387]

I suppose Raven doesn't actually develop, she just seems to be in the same place she was at in the beginning of the movie: On her own, not killing, helping other mutants. I suppose her relationships have progressed, so maybe that's something. The Hank thing doesn't make any sense at all, Hank doesn't follow Charles' lead in this movie, Charles' perceptions alter throughout the film, Hank's doesn't, it doesn't matter if he's a support figure, he's a main character, he should have a character arc, but he doesn't. Nothing changes for him. Same thing with Magneto. He's a main character. He should have an arc. The movie almost never really gets into the idea that Magneto should think that he's now been proven right at this point. That should have been what his character was about in this movie. Start him out doubting his beliefs, you could even parallel his journey with Charles', so once he learns about the future, bam, renewed sense of belief, and he progressively starts getting worse from that point. Charles' sister's comfort level isn't more important than the future.

What I was saying was the guilt for being "the controlling older brother", when really she's the one who should be feeling guilty for running off with the guy who crippled her brother. This movie focuses on the wrong guilt.

Mystique most definitely changed in the movie. Her arc was one of the stronger and most prominent ones.
Hank doesn't follow Charles lead because Charles wasn't leading until later on in the movie in which Hank then follows. He's not a main character in this movie.
Hate to break it to you but Magneto is not a main character either, he's supporting. And having him doubt his belief before he really even went into villain mode would be a regression of his character. And he was never concerned about Mystique's comfort level once he learned of the Sentinels and possible future.
The movie focused enough on Mystique's guilt about that, it focused mainly on Charles guilt because it was Charles controlling Mystique like an older brother that led to what they're trying to change.

Why didn't Mystique just assassinate Trask in secret instead of in public, then take his place? She could have sabotaged all his work, changed his companies entire philosophy etc.

Basically, it would have been a more effective way to stop the Sentinel program than making a martyr out of him and creating more fear and hate towards mutants.

Her whole plot just falls apart when you apply the smallest bit of logic to it. Stupid girl.

This is a younger Mystique, and while she's fairly skilled and an adequate threat, she's still too amateur to pull off a long term impersonation; which in turn people would realize not even political officials can't be trusted and Sentinels project still move forward.

 

[Legion]

Mystique most definitely changed in the movie. Her arc was one of the stronger and most prominent ones.
Hank doesn't follow Charles lead because Charles wasn't leading until later on in the movie in which Hank then follows. He's not a main character in this movie.
Hate to break it to you but Magneto is not a main character either, he's supporting. And having him doubt his belief before he really even went into villain mode would be a regression of his character. And he was never concerned about Mystique's comfort level once he learned of the Sentinels and possible future.
The movie focused enough on Mystique's guilt about that, it focused mainly on Charles guilt because it was Charles controlling Mystique like an older brother that led to what they're trying to change.

This is a younger Mystique, and while she's fairly skilled and an adequate threat, she's still too amateur to pull off a long term impersonation; which in turn people would realize not even political officials can't be trusted and Sentinels project still move forward.

Plus it's not like Mystique intended to reveal herself as a mutant. Her identity was revealed by Trask's device. Like in the animated series, the assassination would have been carried out while in disguise and would have implicated another party.

 

[MarvelU]

Hate to break it to you but Magneto is not a main character either, he's supporting. .

I think he is a main character. His arc was different than that of first class. In First Class he was a guy who could barely control his power and by the end he took the role of Sebastian Shaw who he plotted to kill during the entire movie. In DOFP Magneto was in two time-periods, in the future he joined with the X-Men and even shook Xaviers hand at the end. In the past he was proven right by what Wolverine said of the future and it drove him to try and murder Mystique and everybody in the white house. His terrorist actions in DOFP were justified by what he learned of the future. It is basically a continuation of what happened at the end of First Class, which makes sense for a sequel.

 

[herolee10]

In the wolverine posters he posed with a sword... He never used the sword in the movie, it was all for marketing purposes

Technically speaking, he did use a "sword" in the film. He used one of Silver Samurai's huge ass swords against him in the climax.


As for the topic of this thread, granted, while the usage of "Time Travel" is iffy since there are so many loopholes and contradictions within the whole theory, I thought it was kind of strange on how neither Future Charles or Future Magneto weren't developing new memories of the past while time was going on in the present for them. It was only when Mystique spared Trask that anything changed in the present.

And in regards to that, even though a "better future" came out as a result in the end...it's kind of tragic in a way when you think on how, regardless of that, EVERY single X-Men member that we saw throughout the first three films (minus Wolverine) essentially no longer exist.

The characters that we saw go through the events of those three films are no more, except Wolverine, since he's the only one who has any memories from those events while everyone else ceased to exist as "new" versions of themselves came out instead.

 

[Smilodon]

Kitty explicitly stated that the changes only take place once Logan wakes up, so that explains Charles and Erik not having different memories as Logan changes things in the past. It's a bit different compared to something like Looper I guess.

While it is somewhat unfortunate that we do get new versions of the characters from the OT, many of them didn't really get large amounts of character development during the OT, and given the fact that Singer will be establishing and fleshing out a lot of the OT characters through the next film, I don't think it's too big of a loss for them. It's not like we were going to touch deeply upon past events again too.

 

[MarvelU]

Having "new" version of the characters is for the best. One of the biggest backlashes by fanboys for this franchise is that they didn't develop most X-men members in original trilogy. This is now the chance to see that development in some of the familiar X-Men members.

 

[herolee10]

Well, unless there are plans to bring back the Original Cast for one more film after "Apocalypse", I think it's safe to assume that their cameos/appearances in "DOFP" will be the last that we see of the Original Cast in their roles. They're not getting any younger and I'm sure Fox and Singer are going to want to milk out the new cast like how they've been doing with James, Michael, Jennifer, and Nicholas.