Civil War The Official Captain America 3 News & Speculation Thread

[Vartha]

damn, i forgot about that. That would be something even though i heavily doubt that the movies would rely on Agents of SHIELD in any way for heavy plot points

I think the Speedball event would make a GREAT Cliff Hanging season Finale tho.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I'm wondering if Cap 3 may be an interpretation of Armor Wars as much as Civil War. Post AoU Tony decides to recall all Stark tech, including Cap's shield, the Winter Soldier's arm, the Iron Patriot suit, the Vision, and (assuming he rebuilds them) the Falcon's wings. Tony believes he and his father's creations are too dangerous to be out there unchecked and battles to reclaim them.

Good idea, but I'm not sure it's a good Captain America idea. What would be ideal is if they can squeeze in Iron Man 4 in Phase 3 and make Avengers 3 the end of Civil War. Armor Wars fits in well with Iron Man in charge of the pro-registration effort (it would actually make him a little more heroic than in Civil War), but it would be a distraction in anything that's not an Iron Man movie. On the other hand, Armor Wars would come off as redundant if they have Civil War first.

I know Marvel isn't going to want to spend the money for that (particularly when they got other properties they want to develop), but it would be such a blast.

 

[Shikamaru]

The biggest issue I have is it feels like the only time the Avengers existed as a team was during a brief period between TWS and AoU that we never got to see.

I mean, I thought the first film was a setup for what would eventually lead to a team. The "Avengers" as we knew them in the comics didn't exist yet, it was just a group that came together to stop a specific threat then went their separate ways. The "A Tower" at the end hinted at what was about to come, at the Avengers as we know them. As in an Avengers Tower, day-to-day normal interactions, a team dynamic fully established, etc.

Now it looks like the team will fall apart in A2, then we get Tony and Cap at odds, then if the rumors are true we get a whole new team in A3 or a "Marvel vs Thanos" film under the Avengers logo, where everyone fights Thanos. Avenger or not.

If that's indeed the case, then in the 10+ years the MCU would have existed by then, the only time we would've seen the Avengers as a fully functioning team was during the first few minutes of A2?

I really resist this idea. It feels like there never was a team, outside a marketing standpoint, and more like a few individuals that just happened to cross paths on a few occasions. If that's the only time I'm getting to see them as a team - a glimpse in the overall grand scheme of things - why should I be invested when that team falls apart and Cap and Tony have to fight?

 

[djsunyc]

if rdj is in the movie, then the best idea i read all day is that he finds out bucky killed his dad and cap is caught in the middle.

 

[TalismanRing]

The Russos didn't say they weren't doing the Civil War - they said it was complicated since they didn't have access to all the players. They then danced around giving full info about Cap 3 as good Marvel employees know to do. They also said the title would shock fans, that was something Feige has wasn't to do for almost 10 years and there were contracts to get complete before they could announce it.

They can still do an altered streamlined Civil War since the two most important characters in it are Steve and Tony. And after we see AOU we'll know if it's been set up better than it was in the comics.

Finding Bucky will be part of the story but not the only or even main part - just like he wasn't in the TWS. I can't see Marvel bringing in RDJ and having it just be Tony fighting Cap over Bucky (and there's no evidence as the WS he murdered Tony's parents - car "accidents" aren't exactly his M.O.). It has to be over something far more significant and on a much larger scale.

And with the earlier and now repeated rumor of Steve leading a team in Cap 3 well they're all not going to be there to find Bucky or fight over him.

 

[falconcrest87]

I'm just throwing this out there.

We had a brainwash Bucky kill Tony's parents. Not Bucky. I'm sure Tony can understand since his company was selling arms to terrorists without him knowing that killed families just like how Bucky killed families without him knowing.

Find the people responsible. Bucky didn't do anything.

And that's supposed to make a difference because? Yeah, Yeah Bucky wasn't in his right mind when he killed Tony's parents. So what. We put people to death in this country who are mentally handicapped. Tony selling weapons to people he didn't know so they can kill people he didn't know is a big damn difference than a guy my dad knew during WW2 killed him and my mother. Leaving me an orphan who developed a debilitating drinking problem. It's personal then. And who could say that if they were in Tony's shoes, they wouldn't want revenge regardless of the consequences. Not me.

 

[Mr.M]

You guys, calm down! They're more than likely not making a Civil War movie. At least not in the way you think. During the end of CA:TWS, it is established that Cap and the Falcon are off to find Bucky. The last time we see Bucky is at the Cap exhibit, finding out who he is. So what does this have to do with Iron Man? Remember in the scene at the old SHIELD base? Zola was expositing to Cap and Black Widow about SHIELD being over run by HYDRA from the start. And how anyone who got in their way was dealt with. BW says that can't be true, SHIELD would have known. To which, Zola says "Accidents will happen." Then the screen cuts to: a pic of the Winter Soldier then a pic of Howard Stark's obituary. Leading one to assume the Winter Soldier killed Tony's parents. More than likely CA3 will be about Tony finding out that info and the fact that Steve kinda knew this and didn't tell him. Problem solved. You gotta follow the movie canon not the comic books. Besides, everybody is going crazy over something that isn't even possible for the MCU to do. Not to mention, the Russos already said they weren't doing that story, that they were going to finish the WS plot.

It's never been implied anywhere that Howard was murdered. This would be a massive retcon of the trilogy. In the first Iron Man, we see an old Howard and Jeff Bridges as good friends... then, the "passing of a titan." Doesn't exactly imply a murder. If they go this route I am going to consider it a major plot hole. Tony has never been searching for his father's murderer. In the trilogy, Howard is a man that Tony is constantly aspiring toward. I think having him murdered would totally renege the relationship that was implied in the trilogy. This would be like an Uncle Ben/Sandman bait and switch and a gimmick plot device.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

And that's supposed to make a difference because? Yeah, Yeah Bucky wasn't in his right mind when he killed Tony's parents. So what. We put people to death in this country who are mentally handicapped. Tony selling weapons to people he didn't know so they can kill people he didn't know is a big damn difference than a guy my dad knew during WW2 killed him and my mother. Leaving me an orphan who developed a debilitating drinking problem. It's personal then. And who could say that if they were in Tony's shoes, they wouldn't want revenge regardless of the consequences. Not me.

Tony's company sold weapons and arms to terrorists. How many kids were left orphans because of Tony not paying attention to his company?

Again, it wasn't Bucky who killed Tony's family but the people who brainwashed and told Bucky to kill Tony's family AKA Hydra. Hunt them Tony.

Also Tony has a drinking problem? Wouldn't that be a neat story to explore in an Iron Man film....

 

[herolee10]

It's never been implied anywhere that Howard was murdered. This would be a massive retcon of the trilogy. In the first Iron Man, we see an old Howard and Jeff Bridges as good friends... then, the "passing of a titan." Doesn't exactly imply a murder. If they go this route I am going to consider it a major plot hole. Tony has never been searching for his father's murderer. In the trilogy, Howard is a man that Tony is constantly aspiring toward. I think having him murdered would totally renege the relationship that was implied in the trilogy. This would be like an Uncle Ben/Sandman bait and switch and a gimmick plot device.

Not really. Everyone, including us, thought that Howard died in a siple car crash but it was revealed in tws that his death was made to look like it when in fact he was actually murdered.

 

[TalismanRing]

Howard and Maria died in a car crash that was reported and believed to be an accident. In TWS, Zola tells Steve and Nat then when people got to close to figuring out who HYDRA was within SHIELD then accidents happened. Then a photo of Dominic Cooper as Howard Stark was shown.

That it was staged as a car accident I believe pretty much points to another HYDRA assassin since the WS's M.O. is his sniper rifle - like how he took out Fury in Steve's apt and tried to take out everyone else in a manner that could hardly be swept under the rug as an accident.

 

[Six]

It's never been implied anywhere that Howard was murdered. This would be a massive retcon of the trilogy. In the first Iron Man, we see an old Howard and Jeff Bridges as good friends... then, the "passing of a titan." Doesn't exactly imply a murder. If they go this route I am going to consider it a major plot hole. Tony has never been searching for his father's murderer. In the trilogy, Howard is a man that Tony is constantly aspiring toward. I think having him murdered would totally renege the relationship that was implied in the trilogy. This would be like an Uncle Ben/Sandman bait and switch and a gimmick plot device.

I take it you never watched Captain America: The Winter Soldier?

 

[Mr.M]

Not really. Everyone, including us, thought that Howard died in a siple car crash but it was revealed in tws that his death was made to look like it when in fact he was actually murdered.

You assume that because you read the comics. They should have explored that earlier. This would have major development issues on Tony that were not even touched upon in the trilogy. Obviously he is an older guy in the first Iron Man and possibly had many years to overcome his guilt and grief, but it's never been implied this way. I just think it is a gimmick plot device to make things a lot more personal for Stark, given that he will be a focal point in the film.

 

[Vartha]

I think RDJ's addition means we won't be seeing Hawkeye or BW in CA3. Things would just be too crowded.

From the way it sounded Widow was going to start from scratch at the end of Winter Soldier, besides we still have Age of Ultron's events to find out WHY Tony's going to be IN Cap 3.

 

[Suzanne78]

It just dawned on me that this means likely no Sin, no Zemo, and no NuRedSkull…

Boo.

 

[Broseph44]

It's never been implied anywhere that Howard was murdered. This would be a massive retcon of the trilogy. In the first Iron Man, we see an old Howard and Jeff Bridges as good friends... then, the "passing of a titan." Doesn't exactly imply a murder. If they go this route I am going to consider it a major plot hole. Tony has never been searching for his father's murderer. In the trilogy, Howard is a man that Tony is constantly aspiring toward. I think having him murdered would totally renege the relationship that was implied in the trilogy. This would be like an Uncle Ben/Sandman bait and switch and a gimmick plot device.

You assume that because you read the comics. They should have explored that earlier. This would have major development issues on Tony that were not even touched upon in the trilogy. Obviously he is an older guy in the first Iron Man and possibly had many years to overcome his guilt and grief, but it's never been implied this way. I just think it is a gimmick plot device to make things a lot more personal for Stark, given that he will be a focal point in the film.

What in the **** are you talking about? Did you not watch TWS?

 

[Shikamaru]

Dude, that's straight out of TWS. It was shown in the movie.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It just dawned on me that this means likely no Sin, no Zemo, and no NuRedSkull…

Boo.

It feels like (a recast) Red Skull should come back sometime.

 

[Mr.M]

What in the **** are you talking about? Did you not watch TWS?

Must have missed it then in all honesty. Only saw the film once on opening weekend. But in the context of the Iron Man trilogy, it is out of place and is merely a plot device to tie Winter Soldier and Tony at the hip.

 

[Broseph44]

Must have missed it then in all honesty. Only saw the film once on opening weekend. But in the context of the Iron Man trilogy, it is out of place and is merely a plot device to tie Winter Soldier and Tony at the hip.

It's not a plot device at all. Howard worked for Shield. In TWS we find out that Hydra infiltrated Shield. It wasn't a plot device at all it was just a secret that we didn't know until TWS because that's when the Hydra infiltrating Shield reveal came about. Can you really not see that?

 

[Jaspertian1105]

We need some good all fashion Nazi scumbags, a story of Cap without them feels kinda empty. So far no Zemo and Skull no one knows what happened to him. I miss his over the top villainy. You have the eternal bad guys and you dont even use them, it feels like a waste and the use of Hydra instead, for me personally its like a soft version of it, they feels less evil

 

[Dark Raven]

What in the **** are you talking about? Did you not watch TWS?

On that note, people assume that Bucky will reappear some time in the MCU, but that's only because the comics have shown that he became the Winter Soldier. We saw Bucky fall to his death though in Cap 1. I don't recall it's ever been implied that there's any kind of Winter Soldier in the MCU or that there will necessarily be one when CA:TFA eventually gets a sequel. Cap 2 will probably be about the Red Skull or Baron Zemo.

EDIT: How come there's a Captain America 3 thread?

 

[Mr.M]

It's not a plot device at all. Howard worked for Shield. In TWS we find out that Hydra infiltrated Shield. It wasn't a plot device at all it was just a secret that we didn't know until TWS because that's when the Hydra infiltrating Shield reveal came about. Can you really not see that?

What is it other than a plot device? They want to increase the stakes hence the perfect reason why you make the Winter Soldier the focal point for both Stark and Cap. I doubt they figured Stark would have a major role in this when they were brainstorming ideas for Cap 3. Now they have RDJ signed and they can use a gimmick like that to divert massive attention to Stark. I get it from a box office stand point. Really makes me wonder what the game plan is for Phase 3, since I thought they were moving away from the RDJ show to focus on other characters.

 

[Six]

No, it doesn't make sense from a box office stand point.

 

[marcvader]

So all I'mreading is iit's Tony this and Tony that reconciling this reconciling that. Is this the Captain America threquel thread or is this no longer a Captain America film with any of Cap's rogues gallery involved?

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

So all I'mreading is iit's Tony this and Tony that reconciling this reconciling that. Is this the Captain America threquel thread or is this no longer a Captain America film with any of Cap's rogues gallery involved?

Now you know how Superman fans feel.