Days of Future Past Days of Future Past News and Discussion - - Part 47

[Legion]

They have already hinted at Rogue, at one point, being experimented on and kept in the Cerebro room.

From a box office standpoint, it was more viable to make recent Oscar Winner and Media Darling Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique be at the center of the plot.

That said, you would have to be naive to think this wasn't the main reason why she and her powers were put in the spotlight (and unfortunately not Rogue/Anna) and not because it made a whole whack of sense, plot and character-wise.

Yes, that much is obvious...and I'm not debating that. Just that the Sentinel's abilities are not exactly Rogue's or Mystique's. The closest would be Mimic who was never used in the series.

Based on the explanation in the film, you can imagine that they took Mystique's ability to the next level when creating the sentinels and by doing so made Rogue's role in the film superfluous. This couldn't be done the other way around because it was a deliberate decision for the film to be a sequel to First Class, feature Jennifer Lawrence, yada yada yada

 

[psylockolussus]

Oh so you mean they enhanced Mystique's power to imitate abilities as well as appearances?

The Mystique's explanation is obvious for some reasons.

But like I said, if the Sentinels can scan/trace mutants back in 1973, God knows what technology advancement they got 50 years later.

 

[X-Maniac]

Well, clearly they had taken Mystique's power to another level. The Sentinels communicated the powers to each other, so the one being frozen by Iceman took on the fire powers of Sunspot, and the one being heat-blasted by Sunspot took on the ice powers of Iceman.

As you should all know if you watched the special features on the Blu-ray.

Do any of you actually own the Blu-ray or what? Or are you the usual internet tight-ass types who download everything for free from torrent sites?

I find it hard to believe no one but me is mentioning the Blu-ray feature on the Sentinels and what was intended. The answers are all there.

 

[scatterax]

I own the bluray and saw that feature. But in the theatre I interpreted that scene as the sentinels having Darwin like powers to adapt to survive. They didn't do a great job explaining they were wirelessly sending powers to each other in the finished film.

 

[Legion]

Well, clearly they had taken Mystique's power to another level. The Sentinels communicated the powers to each other, so the one being frozen by Iceman took on the fire powers of Sunspot, and the one being heat-blasted by Sunspot took on the ice powers of Iceman.

As you should all know if you watched the special features on the Blu-ray.

Do any of you actually own the Blu-ray or what? Or are you the usual internet tight-ass types who download everything for free from torrent sites?

I find it hard to believe no one but me is mentioning the Blu-ray feature on the Sentinels and what was intended. The answers are all there.

Yes I own the Blu-Ray and I'm fine with that explanation but I think this conversation started because others said that it was illogical that the Sentinels obtained those abilities from Mystique as the theatrical film indicates.

I guess the special feature on the Blu-Ray was never brought up because it doesn't really address the changes to the film we know happened, like Rogue being cut. Maybe at one point the mimicry powers were going to come from Rogue but that story line didn't make it into the final film. The powers came from Mystique and I don't see that as a plot hole.

 

[X-Maniac]

The overriding intention was for Mystique to be at the heart of it, hence they needed to go back to 1973.

The film also says her DNA holds the key to mutation itself, perhaps a hint that the Sentinels took her power to the next level.

That's why it was pretty easy to excise Rogue from the finished movie. Unfortunate for Rogue fans, but i can see why they did it - to simplify the story.

 

[dax]

There's still some unanswered questions regarding the original timeline...

If Mystique was captured and experimented by the government for their sentinel program, how did she escape? Who helped her escape?

Also, who broke Magneto out of the Pentagon's plastic prison? Obviously, in the OT, Wolverine wasn't around to ask Xavier and Beast to recruit Quicksilver for their prison breakout plan so someone else had to help Magneto escape as well.

Finally, how did Charles Xavier snap out of his depression fast enough to rescue Cyclops in Origins and meet Jean Grey in the beginning of X3?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

The Sentinels' mimicry were only physical.. they didn't replicate Blink's tp, Storm's weather manipulation or any powers that weren't physical mutations so I can buy that they based their mimicry off of Mystique. Had they used Rogue's mutation as a source, it would have worked as well and the Sentinels would have been that much more powerful being able to teleport via Blink's powers.

well... they never actually had time to absorb storm or blinks abilities, and for the audience to see it in action even.. so that really isn't proof of anything

 

[spideyboy_1111]

But Rogue requires physical contact in order to use a mutant's power. Also leaving the target mutant weakened.

The Sentinels in the beginning didn't need to touch iceman or sunspot to access their powers.

rewatch the movie.. they make it pretty clear that the sentinels HAVE to touch the mutant in order to gain there abilities. In the book "science of the X-men" Iceman's ice, and other elemental projectors actually create biologically the material in which they can project. So think of iceman blasting sweat or what not.. it's actually got some of his DNA in it.. so technically even if they didn't touch him, they could technically touch his ice blasts and gain it.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well, clearly they had taken Mystique's power to another level. The Sentinels communicated the powers to each other, so the one being frozen by Iceman took on the fire powers of Sunspot, and the one being heat-blasted by Sunspot took on the ice powers of Iceman.

As you should all know if you watched the special features on the Blu-ray.

Do any of you actually own the Blu-ray or what? Or are you the usual internet tight-ass types who download everything for free from torrent sites?

I find it hard to believe no one but me is mentioning the Blu-ray feature on the Sentinels and what was intended. The answers are all there.

basically yeah, the sentinel's have a hive mind and are basically one organism divided into many... when one absorbs an ability.. they all have it.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Yes I own the Blu-Ray and I'm fine with that explanation but I think this conversation started because others said that it was illogical that the Sentinels obtained those abilities from Mystique as the theatrical film indicates.

I guess the special feature on the Blu-Ray was never brought up because it doesn't really address the changes to the film we know happened, like Rogue being cut. Maybe at one point the mimicry powers were going to come from Rogue but that story line didn't make it into the final film. The powers came from Mystique and I don't see that as a plot hole.

yeah, and for all we know.. that's just a cover up to make it make "sense" with the scene cut. But it's quite obvious imo that it's rogue's ability that does that.. not mystiques. Mystique can't energy project. Itd be like shooting her arm off

 

[spideyboy_1111]

There's still some unanswered questions regarding the original timeline...

If Mystique was captured and experimented by the government for their sentinel program, how did she escape? Who helped her escape?

Also, who broke Magneto out of the Pentagon's plastic prison? Obviously, in the OT, Wolverine wasn't around to ask Xavier and Beast to recruit Quicksilver for their prison breakout plan so someone else had to help Magneto escape as well.

Finally, how did Charles Xavier snap out of his depression fast enough to rescue Cyclops in Origins and meet Jean Grey in the beginning of X3?

well... my best answer to that.. is this... What if the DOFP timeline..... isn't the OT time line at all? But another unfortunate timeline where similar things may have happened, but some things are changed ?

what if the OT timeline (is the "altered" timeline) *mindblown haha

 

[X-Maniac]

There's still some unanswered questions regarding the original timeline...

If Mystique was captured and experimented by the government for their sentinel program, how did she escape? Who helped her escape?

Also, who broke Magneto out of the Pentagon's plastic prison? Obviously, in the OT, Wolverine wasn't around to ask Xavier and Beast to recruit Quicksilver for their prison breakout plan so someone else had to help Magneto escape as well.

Finally, how did Charles Xavier snap out of his depression fast enough to rescue Cyclops in Origins and meet Jean Grey in the beginning of X3?

Those are some good unanswered questions. But I doubt we will see them answered, to be honest.

All we can say is that - somehow - Magneto escaped prison (or served his sentence), Mystique escaped captivity, and Xavier came out of his depression many years later. I don't have the timeline in front of me right now, but the Cyclops rescue in Origins and the meeting with Jean took place a long time after 1973, didn't it? It's perfectly feasible that his depression lifted, albeit much later than it does in the altered timeline where Wolverine helps him snap out of it.

Unfortunately, the story structure of the movie does skip over periods of time that are not explained or filled in.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Xo wolvie took place around 79

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Any number of things could happen in those 6 years which serve as a call to arms for Xavier. The ending of the Vietnam War and the return of students may have been that. Seeing all those helpless people return to his care and whatnot.

As for Magneto, I get the impression that in X1 he is seeing Charles again for the first time in a long time. So I'd say he served his sentence, the reasons for his detention underground got lost, so the government just quietly released him

 

[X-Maniac]

Xo wolvie took place around 79

Uh, no it (probably) didn't, lol.

The Empire timeline - nearest we have to anything official - says the end of XO was in 1987.

That works. In the movie, Gambit mentions Three Mile Island knowingly as they approach in the plane, as though aware of its notoriety. And, on top of that, Stryker wouldn't be able to set up a secret mutant prison and base at an operational nuclear facility. Thus it seems logical that the Three Mile Island incident of 1979 had already happened, the island was abandoned, and Stryker moved in. It's always felt to me like the end of Origins was later than 1979, for those reasons.

The same timeline has Xavier and Magneto meeting Jean in 1981 and says X1 was in 2005, X2 in 2006 and X3 in 2007.

Setting the next movie, X-Men: Apocalypse, during the 80s is fine in general terms of Jean, Storm and Scott being teenagers at that point.

However, trying to connect all the dots with total precision and satisfaction doesn't really work in this series, it's best not to think about it all too much (though that's what forums do!).

 

[Legion]

rewatch the movie.. they make it pretty clear that the sentinels HAVE to touch the mutant in order to gain there abilities. In the book "science of the X-men" Iceman's ice, and other elemental projectors actually create biologically the material in which they can project. So think of iceman blasting sweat or what not.. it's actually got some of his DNA in it.. so technically even if they didn't touch him, they could technically touch his ice blasts and gain it.

I don't need to rewatch the movie. I don't believe Cyclops and Iceman are spewing their DNA everywhere each time they use their powers just because a companion book said so. They don't suggest anything like that in the films at all.

Also the Sentinels don't exactly gain mutant abilities, they adapt and gain their physicality and some of their powers. That is how Bryan Singer explained it.

"biomechanical technology to transform to adapt to other mutants, to take on their physicality and some of their powers to use against mutantkind"

Keywords transforming and adapting. Nothing about absorbing, stealing, or touching.

Example:
Sentinel turns to metal.
Sentinel turns to diamond.
Sentinel turns to rock.
Sentinel turns to ice.
Sentinel emits heat (One of the images posted by the X-Men movie FB account this was described as a sentinel having "Sunspot's aura")

So there's no scene where a Sentinel shoots fire or ice from their hands or body. No scene where they teleport or control the weather even though they made contact with storm and blink.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

There is a scene where the Sentinels shoot fire from Sunspot and ice from Iceman

 

[GuestStar2004]

They are probably more like Darwin then anything, since they turn into whatever they need to survive... one turned into rock and another turned diamond ect ect

 

[Great Mind(s)]

But they're keeping Rogue alive for some reason and experimenting on her.

 

[X-Maniac]

But they're keeping Rogue alive for some reason and experimenting on her.

Maybe they were wanting to go even further and be able to replicate the full scope of a mutant's powers (like weather control), rather than the physicality of the powers (fire, ice, diamond, rock, steel)

 

[x-er]

Russian Bunker Timeline -> Sentinels absorb X-Men powers -> Rogue was experimented on, maybe dead now.

Chinese Temple Timeline -> Sentinels don't absorb X-Men powers, only those of previous test subjects -> Rogue was rescued by the X-Men to replace Shadowcat. However, Rogue was cut from the film after filming all this.


Anyway.... I was wondering if there was a novel version of DOFP. When X2 came out, I remember having the novel version of the film. I really enjoyed it because, in addition to having the same great storyline, it offered extra detail/background on each character/event.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Uh, no it (probably) didn't, lol.

The Empire timeline - nearest we have to anything official - says the end of XO was in 1987.

That works. In the movie, Gambit mentions Three Mile Island knowingly as they approach in the plane, as though aware of its notoriety. And, on top of that, Stryker wouldn't be able to set up a secret mutant prison and base at an operational nuclear facility. Thus it seems logical that the Three Mile Island incident of 1979 had already happened, the island was abandoned, and Stryker moved in. It's always felt to me like the end of Origins was later than 1979, for those reasons.

The same timeline has Xavier and Magneto meeting Jean in 1981 and says X1 was in 2005, X2 in 2006 and X3 in 2007.

Setting the next movie, X-Men: Apocalypse, during the 80s is fine in general terms of Jean, Storm and Scott being teenagers at that point.

However, trying to connect all the dots with total precision and satisfaction doesn't really work in this series, it's best not to think about it all too much (though that's what forums do!).

Ummmmm its strongly suggested that 3-mile island "incident" in real life was actually the end of wolverine, but was covered up as a nuclear incident. You really think less then 10 years after something like that people could safely work in a nuclear facility????

Gambit reacted to 3-mile islands notoriety BECAUSE he knew mutants were being experimented upon... he even escaped the facility!

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't need to rewatch the movie. I don't believe Cyclops and Iceman are spewing their DNA everywhere each time they use their powers just because a companion book said so. They don't suggest anything like that in the films at all.

Also the Sentinels don't exactly gain mutant abilities, they adapt and gain their physicality and some of their powers. That is how Bryan Singer explained it.

"biomechanical technology to transform to adapt to other mutants, to take on their physicality and some of their powers to use against mutantkind"

Keywords transforming and adapting. Nothing about absorbing, stealing, or touching.

Example:
Sentinel turns to metal.
Sentinel turns to diamond.
Sentinel turns to rock.
Sentinel turns to ice.
Sentinel emits heat (One of the images posted by the X-Men movie FB account this was described as a sentinel having "Sunspot's aura")

So there's no scene where a Sentinel shoots fire or ice from their hands or body. No scene where they teleport or control the weather even though they made contact with storm and blink.

I honestly dont care how bryan singer is explaining it.. its not logical based on what we know about these movies and what we know about rogue getting experimented upon. They wanted to focus on mystique so they forced an explanation.

As for "rewatching the movie" I mean seriously... rewatch it. Every sentinel physically touches a mutant while they're using their abilities in order to gain said ability.

The bio side from the science of the xmen is just a suggestion, and a logical one considering their dna makes the abilities... not magic

 

[psylockolussus]

Was the real 3-mile island accident included a destroyed nuclear power plant that collapsed from the ground?

In my opinion, Origins took place after the 3-mile island accident and that site was used by Stryker as a place for his secret experiments. And no one would really go there except for Stryker and his workers because of the accident that happened there before.