Homecoming Best final battle?

[W/ Great Power]

thanks, im not a professional, im just a 16 year old kid who loves Spider-Man XD
and not all that credit goes to me for that particular picture. I drew it, yes, but my friend SpideyFan360 (who i think is a new member here) colored it.

If you can muster up this kind of artwork at the age of 16, I think you have a bright future in art.

 

[ThatSpiderGuy]

If you can muster up this kind of artwork at the age of 16, I think you have a bright future in art.

Wow, thanks man! im going to create a fan art page on this site, then i will link it in my signature!

 

[Daltonio]

I will say this, if Andrew is kicked to the curb I won't miss him, but I won't gloat over the ones who genuinely like him.

Despite us disagreeing with each other on quite a few things, I really do want to say thanks in advance for this, Joker.

If you can muster up this kind of artwork at the age of 16, I think you have a bright future in art.

Agreed.

 

[ThatSpiderGuy]

of all the superhero films, I actually see The Amazing Spider-Man 2 as having the best final battle scene. I can't think of any other that is greater. That's only because I cant count LOTR as a comic book film XD

 

[W/ Great Power]

Wow, thanks man! im going to create a fan art page on this site, then i will link it in my signature!

I look forward to it

 

[LizardMan07]

You'll be doing more than that

Crazy good, if Supreme leader like I do too

 

[ThatSpiderGuy]

Agreed.

thank you! stay in tune for my fan art page, coming to soon to SHH

 

[The Joker]

The backlash against Pierce Brosnan being replaced as James Bond was so large that even the mainstream media picked up on it. Try getting anyone to claim Brosnan is better than Craig now.

This almost always happens when an actor is replaced. Heck, it happened when Tobey Maguire was replaced. The only times it doesn't is when the actor was exceptionally poor in the role (ex. George Clooney as Batman, Halle Berry as Catwoman). It tells you nothing other than how fickle fanboys are.

Exactly. Completely forgot about the Brosnan/Craig thing, and me being a Bond fan. FOR SHAME!!!!!

The media did indeed pick up on it.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7995736e-ae48-11da-8ffb-0000779e2340.html#axzz3PCk2iqcO

Even Craig himself heard about it: http://www.breakingnews.ie/showbiz/craig-stunned-by-bond-backlash-270110.html

A website called Craig is not Bond was even made lol: http://danielcraigisnotbond.com/index/

But do you see anyone caring Brosnan is gone now? Has it affected the mega success and popularity of Craig and his Bond movies? Nope.

Seeing a trend here yet, BRAB? Or do the peasants still make a difference when they revolt with their websites and petitions?

I'm sorry I assumed we were talking about Brandon routh but now we're talking about batman somehow, I've enetred the twilight Zone

I'm sorry you just said show you a petition that is bigger than the Garfield one on Change.org. You never said a Brandon Routh one.

I can't find the petitions from back then. But if you think I'm lying go to the Supes forums and ask. They existed and had signatures in the thousands, too.

What difference does it make? 2007 is like, 7 years ago mate. Totes not the same, because TUMBLR HAS TAKEN OVER THE INTERNET. That's what is different, tumblr gave people this perception of "equality" and an opinion. CRAZY RIGHT?!

What's crazy is you think Tumblr makes a difference. Tumblr is just another outlet for people to voice their opinions.

That video was open to ANYONE to film themselves and have their say, any spiderman fan could, but I guess they don't count? You don't KNOW they signed a petition but you deliberately DOWNGRADE them to that position and somehow dismiss their opinion as lesser than yours. Maybe I can place your minority in a group, you pick the name, I'm awful at alliteration.

I know that if they took the trouble to FILM themselves and post it on the Net then it stands to reason they signed the on-line petitions, too, which take less effort and are the official way to get something done, not a fan video.

Btw your angry frustration at me every time you post is most amusing to read. And I'm not even trying.

Uh yeah, see the thing love, is that Tobes is actually spiderman as well, and so is imaginary spiderman number 3, and a majority of those people prefer andrew, again, I guess the peasants or petition signers are revolting. Whatever you want to call it.

No, Tobey is not Spider-Man any more. This is a new reboot with Andrew Garfield. Tobey doesn't come into this equation. This is people trying to hang onto Garfield because he's the current 'it' boy in these movies.

The 'peasants' will be worshiping the new guy when he is cast and it's good casting. Count on it.

I'm getting some freaky de Ja vu sense going on here, crazy stuff

I don't even know what you're talking about here.

Oh yeah, fair enough, I've never seen a Brandon Routh fan after the great extinction of 2013. All dead, the lot of them

No, they just don't care any more that he's been replaced. That's why you can't post any huge outcry that he's gone now.

Andrew Maguire won't fade away, he's still got plenty of movies to come. Heck, TASM3 could still happen

Andrew Maguire. I think your seething frustration at me is melting your brain.

As if you didn't know I was talking about Garfield's Spider-Man and not the actor himself and his future career.

Again, peasants revolting, having opinions, God, next thing they'll be voting!!

They can have all the opinions they like. It won't change a thing. Didn't for Superman. Didn't for James Bond. And like those two examples they won't care when Garfield is replaced.

These petitions you keep waving around don't mean anything lol.

 

[ThatSpiderGuy]

I thought the music for both the Dafoe Goblin and the Dane Goblin were freaking amazing.

 

[The Joker]

Despite us disagreeing with each other on quite a few things, I really do want to say thanks in advance for this, Joker.

 

[ThatSpiderGuy]

wait joker i have a question: how come you spend so much time on the spidey threads (lol pun) if you are THE JOKER?? wouldn't that make you more of a DC Batman fan????

 

[The Joker]

wait joker i have a question: how come you spend so much time on the spidey threads (lol pun) if you are THE JOKER?? wouldn't that make you more of a DC Batman fan????

I do love Batman a smidge more than Spidey, but I am still a huge Spider-Man fan. Have been for 20 years. I've just been more actively involved in the topics here lately.

Cross pollination is good

 

[ThatSpiderGuy]

I do love Batman a smidge more than Spidey, but I am still a huge Spider-Man fan. Have been for 20 years. I've just been more actively involved in the topics here lately.

Cross pollination is good

right you are. I really wish that there was a J.R.R. Tolkien fandom section here, it would probably overpower everything else judging from how massive and old that fandom is. I would spend most of my time there. First comes to Tolkien, then comes Spider-Man, and ive been hardcore fans of both for years. heck, "fan" doesnt even f***ing describe the intensity of my passion for those two subjects.

 

[First Avenger]

The TASM movies are the greatest villains he's ever faced t:

But he'll overcome them, hopefully in the capable hands of Marvel.

I sure hope so,mr J.

 

[ThatSpiderGuy]

EDIT: had to delete the gif
SM1 final battle is awesome though

 

[AnneFan]

Tobey is my Spider-Man, but Andrew really grew on me. I think he's been a worthy replacement. I hope he returns, but it's out of my hands. What will be will be.

 

[spiderman2]

lol

 

[spiderman2]

I think my order for best battles goes like this, from best to worst:
TASM2
SM1
TASM1
SM3
SM2

Agree

 

[Spider2099]

I do love Batman a smidge more than Spidey, but I am still a huge Spider-Man fan. Have been for 20 years. I've just been more actively involved in the topics here lately.

Cross pollination is good

Spidey will always be my #1 but Batman is awesome too.

of all the superhero films, I actually see The Amazing Spider-Man 2 as having the best final battle scene. I can't think of any other that is greater. That's only because I cant count LOTR as a comic book film XD

I thought the TASM2 final battle was too cartoonish and unmemorable. It consisted of Spider-Man dodging Electro's attacks most of the time while the plane thing was going on in the background.

The final battle in SM1 is really brutal. It's just a one-on-one battle between Spider-Man and the Green Goblin, and I found it to be really intense. Sometimes simpler is better.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

1. Sm1
2. Sm3
3. Tasm2
4. Sm2
5. Tasm

 

[LizardMan07]

Ah bugger, missed your post @joker

I'm not seething, you misinterpreted that. I'm not angry, I'm a lover not a fighter. Quite nonchalant perhaps

To recap your basic arguement, people get annoyed when a current actor for something is about to get axed, but then get in line and enjoy the new something

I suppose the best rebuttal I can think of to that line of thinking is;

Who's your favourite Peter Parker/Spiderman?

If andrew, your idea fits

If Tobey, your idea doesn't

Now we already all know your answer so I'll answer it for you.

"Tobey BRAB"

Cheers joker.

So that's why I'll keep "waving my petition around". Because people like you, to this day, despise Andrew Garfields iteration of spiderman.

Much like you today, there are some fans that will like a previous spiderman better than the current one.

A petition from fans is a quantifiable measure of "potential jokers". I.E, potential fans of previous iterations of spiderman over the others. You're pretty passionate, others might even match that.

There's been a huge fan response, unprecedented really, and as much as they bother you, they're not going anywhere, they like Andrew now, and like you, they might like their favourite Spidey into the future.

You can't change that. Because that's their right, and it's nothing you can belittle or downplay, as you do it day after day, week after week. I see you belittle them, bit really, are you that different?

You're just waving a different flag. A tobey shaped flag

Truely, you're one and the same.

Are you going to deny your own existence? Or are you saying that their choice of spiderman somehow makes their resolve less? The resolve of 20,000 people and counting

I wouldn't risk discrediting 20,000 individuals, will you?

That's my question, and that's why I fundamentally disagree with what you're saying

 

[The Joker]

I'm not seething, you misinterpreted that. I'm not angry, I'm a lover not a fighter. Quite nonchalant perhaps

Your agitated posts don't reflect that.

To recap your basic arguemernt, people get annoyed when a current actor for something is about to get axed, but then get in line and enjoy the new spiderman

Correct.

I suppose the best rebuttal I can think of to that line of thinking is

Who's your favourite Peter Parker/Spiderman?

If andrew, your idea fits

If Tobey, your idea doesn't

Now we already all know your answer so ill answer it for you.

This really had nothing to do with the point I was making. It's not about what I like vs what you like.

So that's why I'll keep "waving my petition around". Because people like you, to this day, despise Andrew Garfields iteration of spiderman.

Much like you today, there are some fans that will like a previous spiderman better than the current one.

A petition from fans is a quantifiable measure of "potential jokers"

Again this had nothing to do with the point I was making. Yes I loathe Garfield's Peter, just like his movies, but that has nothing to do with the fact that actors getting big petitions to be kept and not replaced doesn't mean anything. Go to the Bond or Superman fan communities and see where the likes of Brandon Routh and Pierce Brosnan rank now after all the thousands of protests and petitions.

There's been a huge fan response, unprecedented really, and as much as they bother you, they're not going anywhere, they like Andrew now, and like you, they might like their favourite Spidey into the future.

Deja vu x infinity. Happens all the time. You think now all these protesting fans of Garfield aren't going anywhere. I'll pull an Andrew Lucas here and say WHERE'S YOUR PROOF?

I've got two valid examples (one so extreme it even reached the actor's ears) of fan protesting replacement, and now look at it. In Craig's case he's now the second most popular Bond behind Sean Connery. As for Brandon Routh, now it's more like Brandon who?

I can't say definitively with any 100% conclusive proof that Garfield will be diminished even more after a new better Spidey actor comes along (I say diminished, not meaning having not a fan left in the world because every iteration of a character has fans), but if history of this kind of thing is anything to go by, he will. It doesn't help him either that the movies he's in are garbage and not very popular.

You can't change that. Because that's their right, and it's nothing you can belittle or downplay, as you do it day after day, week after week.

I'm not trying to change anything. I'm telling you straight with proof these petition fan protests have happened before. They don't mean anything. It's a tiny storm in an even tinier tea cup.

Just like all the people protesting Ben Affleck's casting as Batman. If he's good, these people won't care and will be all over him. The 97'000 signature petition will be as irrelevant as your 24'000 signature Andrew Garfield one will inevitably be.

You're just waving a different flag. A tobey shaped flag

Truely, you're one and the same.

Are you going to deny your own existence?

This is so silly that it doesn't even warrant a serious response.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

No, Tobey is not Spider-Man any more.

 

[LizardMan07]

You had no reason to split that post into multiple bits. That's the problem, you're not addressing the overall point of the post. You're nit-picking or "arguing", quite poorly I might add, individual parts of individual points, ever decreasing the size of an argument. It's an odd debating style and one I've never seen used in a real life debate, you usually argue the whole point somebody is trying to make. I fail to see how splitting up posts is useful except in the case where the points or discussion points are fundamentally different. There's only really two essential splits and the rest seem to be your attempt to simplify my arguments, as I don't make one argument per sentence, they bounce off each other as its part of forming a coherent response. Buuuut, it's not real life, its not verbal, I'm happy to debate verbally if you want (Skype Chats are fun, I'd buy you a ticket to Australia but it's pretty hot here) , but if you want to stick to the way you do it, sure, your posts, your rules.

Soo, I'll just play the Joker game, whilst it makes things harder and is pretty much functionally pointless, sorta like dwarf tossing, we're here now, so yeah I suppose.

Annnnnyway, lets 'a' go.

Your agitated posts don't reflect that.

Well, you can read them how you want, perhaps you're projecting your inner narrative onto them, I wouldn't know, I'm not you. But I'm telling you as me that a forum doesn't agitate me. Bugs agitate me, wombats on occasion, rain does, when I accidentally mess up a sample, that agitates me.

But a name on the internet? Doesn't phase me, can tell you that with 100% certainty. Perhaps a slight emotional response, maybe. Not relevant.

Correct

Oh good, the next part of my post should be fine then!!

This really had nothing to do with the point I was making. It's not about what I like vs what you like.

Ahhhhhh. Wonderful.

This is where I start to get a bit confused, because just a second ago you said that "People get annoyed when a current actor for something is about to get axed, but then get in line and enjoy the new something" was a correct summation of your premise.

So my argument then flows into this point that you felt the need to split up, but regardless, we DO know you like Tobey.

We know, and don't be disingenuous because I have thousands of pro Raimi anti Webb posts to prove this, that you were upset at the idea of Tobey being replaced.

We know, that you have not gotten over it, and still hate Andrew Garfield.

So your own experience with a reboot series debunks the premise that you confirm just above this post.

You were annoyed at Tobey being recasted for Andrew, but you have NOT gotten over it.

The existence of any pro Tobey person proves that people can be annoyed at recastings. Some let their voices be known in some sort of petition. I go on to say this in the next part of my post but you split it for some reason, so we'll move on.

Again this had nothing to do with the point I was making. Yes I loathe Garfield's Peter, just like his movies, but that has nothing to do with the fact that actors getting big petitions to be kept and not replaced doesn't mean anything. Go to the Bond or Superman fan communities and see where the likes of Brandon Routh and Pierce Brosnan rank now after all the thousands of protests and petitions.

Again, its incredibly relevant to the point you're making. The premise we're working from is one you confirmed to be your argument.

You split this post up and then said it wasn't relevant. But you didn't say why, you just ranted about Brosnan and Routh. You bring up a new point about big actors and the effect of petitions, but that is a strawman as that is NOT what I'm arguing. As you can see below (this all ties in but it's split), I treat petitions as an amount of people that say they will not accept the new over the old, in other words, people like you Joker.

Deja vu x infinity. Happens all the time. You think now all these protesting fans of Garfield aren't going anywhere. I'll pull an Andrew Lucas here and say WHERE'S YOUR PROOF?

I've got two valid examples (one so extreme it even reached the actor's ears) of fan protesting replacement, and now look at it. In Craig's case he's now the second most popular Bond behind Sean Connery. As for Brandon Routh, now it's more like Brandon who?

I can't say definitively with any 100% conclusive proof that Garfield will be diminished even more after a new better Spidey actor comes along (I say diminished, not meaning having not a fan left in the world because every iteration of a character has fans), but if history of this kind of thing is anything to go by, he will. It doesn't help him either that the movies he's in are garbage and not very popular.

I'm experiencing Dejavu again, a post has been needlessly unsplit.

Do I think all Andrew Garfield protesters are going to dissapear?. unequivocally no. Where's my proof you may ask? Well, he's talking right to me. A fan that still hasn't gotten over a rebooted character. Are you saying TASM fans don't have your resolve. Do you think yourself above them? Cause I certainly don't, and I can see them fighting for Andrew for years to come.You can say "Tobey's good though, Andrew is bad." But this rebuttal won't hold as these people already prefer Andrew to Tobey.

In regards to the rest of your post that is really only tied to my split up post incidentally, your examples are cute, but not sure what you're attempting to achieve with them. Are you saying all reboot characters are superior to their former actors?

Because he disagrees

That is where your other two examples point, if you're trying to say fan petitions are worthless I'm saying they're a quantifiable measure of people who in the future may not accept a new spider-man.

But you're an even better example then a petition.

I'm not trying to change anything. I'm telling you straight with proof these petition fan protests have happened before. They don't mean anything. It's a tiny storm in an even tinier tea cup.

Just like all the people protesting Ben Affleck's casting as Batman. If he's good, these people won't care and will be all over him. The 97'000 signature petition will be as irrelevant as your 24'000 signature Andrew Garfield one will inevitably be.

Yes, thankyou for proving something has happened but you haven't even come close to disproving the essence of my arguement. This is what happens when you split posts mate. Now we're arguing if petitions are real. You already know what petitions mean in this context, I've told you 3 times now.

"Tiny storm in an even tinier teacup"

How on earth does that work? How does the storm occupy the space of the cup if the cup is smaller then the storm? Don't say the storm can occupy space outside the teacup because you explicitly said the storm was "in" the teacup. What you said sounded cool but it is actually impossible. What's that phrase you love, style over substance? Cause that's what that sentence felt like

Batfleck hasn't even happened but I can assure you there will be Joker's around regardless of his performance. Some will always say that Bale was better. Just like you say that Tobey is better than Andrew. That 97,000 meme will not be irrelevant, it will be a sign forever more of the first rise of Bale fans, through and through. Just like this petitition is "PROOOOF" of people who will love Garfield over any new spidey, and any old one. Just like you love Tobey over Andrew.

This is so silly that it doesn't even warrant a serious response.

Is it? Because to me you're just the same as people who sign those petitions, you're living proof that people will still be Garfield fanboys.

You are them, and they are you.

Petitions are a new quantifiable way to not only measure fan reaction to a new reboot but even influence it.

Joker, I'm sorry, but you're existence disproves your premise.

Also, you missed bits I added to my other posts but I forgive you.

Main problem with this post was that by splitting it up you failed to rebut my dismissal of your main premise, and unfortunately added some pretty irrelevant stuff into your post.

Again, it's the nature of debate, we'd save more time if you ever wanted to speak in person. Anyone else smell podcast?

(Also I'm going to bed so I won't reply to your post for probably 10ish hours. Much love.

 

[JOE]

These multi-quoting back and fourth conversations are so badass. Gives me something to read during the Spider-Man dry-spell we've been cursed with.

Carry on, my wayward sons.