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And one more thing. How would some accords prevent collateral damage? It would not stop Ultron from trying to destroy the city, it would not prevent Crossbones from wearing the bomb, etc...
I honestly feel that the Bucky/Cap stuff is equally thin. What should have been a deep and abiding friendship based on growing up and going to war together in TFA is painfully thin instead. It's not nonexistent but I do not find it near deep enough.
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Is it just me, or is the fact Bucky was brainwashed a huge flaw in the logic of the most important scene in the film
And this big one, please. t: I really don't know how to feel about that.
I thought it was also kinda strange how the government is suddenly concerned with collateral damage yet they tried to nuke New York in The Avengers.
I thought it was also kinda strange how the government is suddenly concerned with collateral damage yet they tried to nuke New York in The Avengers.
This right here shows you have no argument and are now just being plain insulting.
I completely disagree. I think you're confusing what you think of as a good plot with simply a different kind of plot. Is Casino Royale a bad film because it has high action and not many scenes where the characters sit down and engage in verbal sparring ala Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy? No, it's just different.
And to be honest man, I respect that you didn't like the film, but all you've done is come in and repeat variations of "I don't think it's a good plot" without giving any reasons for why you think it was so. On the other hand, I think CW had a very well put together plot, some of the best arcs for many of it's characters involved, and easily handled the ensemble superhero make up the best of any Superhero film yet. They equally divided the time and each character felt like they should be there, we saw how their relationships were formed even when some characters only got a small amount of time, and overall (and most importantly) the relationships and conflict felt REAL. That's what made it a good film.
I think they could've had more than one fight with everyone. They wouldn't need to be as equally big, but could escalate. Maybe we could even see allegiances changed. Spider-Man never really seemed torn between both sides at all. He was completely on Iron Man's side.
It almost feels as if Civil War was a bit incomplete and could've done with an extra hour. It seems like Cap should've had a conversation with Spidey later on and given him his side of the picture. Spidey only really heard one side of the argument.
Spidey basically got bribed with a new suit from what i could tell. He had no reason to fight captain america. If anything, i would assume he'd be on caps side considering he'd prolly have to reveal his identity if he signed the accords.
Maybe we could even see allegiances changed. Spider-Man never really seemed torn between both sides at all. He was completely on Iron Man's side.
ExactlyThat was the World Security Council, which was more like a shadow-government type. This was the UN.
In the Comics, Stark said that's even if it's not really their fault, the public opinion thinks it is anywayAnd one more thing. How would some accords prevent collateral damage? It would not stop Ultron from trying to destroy the city, it would not prevent Crossbones from wearing the bomb, etc...
Tony is in a blind rage, not thinking rationally. In that moment, he doesnt give a **** that Bucky was brainwashed, even though earlier in the movie he was making arrangements to get him placed in a psychiatric hospital instead of prison.
Black Widow switched sides.
I think we could have taken the other Winter Soldiers out of the plot and just have Cap track down Zemo for his involvement in the UN bombing. He and Iron Man could have still ended up in a remote Hydra base for Zemo to watch them fight.
Considering you think the other big versus movie is one of the top CBMs produced, I highly doubt any of what you say is true.I have plenty of arguments and i've presented them all here several times. Calling a movie stupid without wasting too much time explaining WHY is as valid as calling a movie great without spending too much time explaining WHY. I do think the movie is stupid. Entertaining, but also stupid and badly crafted on several levels. As someone who watches movies on a daily basis, most of them not even American or high budget, i can't consider CW a good example of storytelling. Not that it needs to be. A lot of people enjoy these movies just for the action. But i do need a really good story in order to be able to consider a movie great. This is just not a great movie. If we weren't so intoxicated with hollywood propaganda more people would be able to see that.