Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 2

[RaidenX]

Coleen Wing Poster

 

[TheVileOne]

I know a lot of people (myself included) see Danny and Misty as one of the classic comic pairings. I rank it up there with Ollie and Dinah, Lois and Clark, Pete and MJ - but if you go back and read the really early appearances for Iron Fist (Marvel Premier to early Iron Fist v1 issues), there's a strong (well, as strong as comic writing from the mid-to-late seventies can be, with regards to relationships) attraction between Colleen and Danny.

That Changes in the early issues of IF, when there's a plot device situation which, arguably, makes their connections stronger. But also changes it.

Also, Danny and Misty did not get along all that well when they first met. He was an arrogant (yet strangely self conscious), humorless ass who literally abandoned his adopted home so he could seek revenge on the man who was responsible for the death of his parents.

Only to punk out at the last minute when faced with a cripple. And yes, the 'punk out' bit was said sarcastically. it was Danny's first, defining heroic moment.

Misty was an Ex-Cop turned bionically enhanced private detective who pretty much thought Danny was an arrogant, humorless ass. She didn't really know about the self-conscious part.

With Misty still being a cop at the end of LC, I imagine they're having to change the pairing and dynamic on several levels. She and Colleen, for example.

I don't recall how many episodes Simone is supposed to be in IF (if at all, someone correct me on this, please) - but I can see an episode or two going a long way to establishing a strong dynamic. It's easy to say that she and Colleen know one another, but the partnership hasn't start, etc.

Sexual tension .

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

I know a lot of people (myself included) see Danny and Misty as one of the classic comic pairings. I rank it up there with Ollie and Dinah, Lois and Clark, Pete and MJ - but if you go back and read the really early appearances for Iron Fist (Marvel Premier to early Iron Fist v1 issues), there's a strong (well, as strong as comic writing from the mid-to-late seventies can be, with regards to relationships) attraction between Colleen and Danny.

That Changes in the early issues of IF, when there's a plot device situation which, arguably, makes their connections stronger. But also changes it.

Also, Danny and Misty did not get along all that well when they first met. He was an arrogant (yet strangely self conscious), humorless ass who literally abandoned his adopted home so he could seek revenge on the man who was responsible for the death of his parents.

Only to punk out at the last minute when faced with a cripple. And yes, the 'punk out' bit was said sarcastically. it was Danny's first, defining heroic moment.

Misty was an Ex-Cop turned bionically enhanced private detective who pretty much thought Danny was an arrogant, humorless ass. She didn't really know about the self-conscious part.

With Misty still being a cop at the end of LC, I imagine they're having to change the pairing and dynamic on several levels. She and Colleen, for example.

I don't recall how many episodes Simone is supposed to be in IF (if at all, someone correct me on this, please) - but I can see an episode or two going a long way to establishing a strong dynamic. It's easy to say that she and Colleen know one another, but the partnership hasn't start, etc.

Well a Marvel rep has said she wouldn't be on Iron Fist. But Simone has been playing coy about it on twitter when asked. If she does show up, I think it'll likely just be a cameo near the end with Misty/Danny (maybe Claire as well). I don't think Colleen would be involved, as Simone confirmed that she hadn't met Jessica yet (and this was around the time filming wrapped on IF). I personally don't think she'll show up at all but would love to be pleasantly surprised.

Anyhow, I suspect that whenever Misty and Danny meet, there will be some similarity to their dynamic in the comics, in that, they won't click right away. I've said it before but romantically, I don't think Misty would consider Danny an ideal partner, in part because of his age/inexperience but perhaps also because she's a little more jaded now, given some of the events in Luke Cage. We'll see what the writers choose to do with them though. I'm just really looking forward to seeing them together.

 

[TheVileOne]

There was also that interview with Loeb that said she was in it but got corrected. So it could've been a mistake...but maybe not? We'll see.

 

[Random490]

Some guy made a video with the Avengers tower in shots on his own without the company help

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That is well done, but also the tower isn't always in the correct spot or position and I'm not sure the scaling is consistent. Plus that kind of effect he's using relatively simple but wouldn't work for every kind of shot. If they ever decided to film something more complex they would then have to spend the extra money to keep it consistent. Personally, I'd rather they leave it out than be inconsistent with it, either do it for all scenes or don't. It's just an added layer of work that I'd understand if they just don't bother. The budget can quickly begin to add up, Filming in NYC is not cheap.

Really it's a tiny continuity thing that while I would love to have it I understand why they would leave it out. The guys making the netflix series have been doing a really great job all around, if they don't find it cost effective to add the tower than chances are it's not cost effective to do it. I'm willing to bet before Daredevil started filming the did an estimate of how much those effects would costs on average and took into consideration 5 series with hopeful multiple seasons and said "too much for not enough substance" or else they would already have done it. Hopefully if Iron Fist and the Defenders do as well, Netflix might be willing to up the budget.

Hell, I'm just happy Iron Fist hand actually glows and it looks awesome. That matters much more to me.

 

[Web-Head]

Finn talked a little bit about the whole "White savior thing"

With this instance in particular, what I struggle with and what frustrates me is that people are commenting on the headline without understanding the full picture, without understanding the full story. What you’ll find with the way that we’re telling this story is we’re addressing the issues that people are very concerned about in a very intelligent and modern way.

Danny Rand is not a white savior. Danny Rand can hardly save himself, let alone an entire race of people. He is a very complicated, vulnerable individual. He doesn’t just show up, like, ‘Hey dudes, I’ve just learned martial arts! I’m going to save the world.’ Actually, it’s the complete opposite. He’s gone through and suffered immense trauma and he is struggling to claim his own sanity and identity back.

More here https://www.buzzfeed.com/marcusjone...-not-a-white-s?utm_term=.btLpDr8X8#.lgkno3qaq

 

[GeckoMoria]

I have learned over the past years that contorversy is just another name for people finding excuses to be offended. Everyone wants attention online and they nitpick everything.

I suggest everyone here to ignore it. Marvel has done nothing wrong in this case. Everything else is angry internet people.

 

[Darkraid]

When does the reviews usually hit?

 

[TheVileOne]

Finn talked a little bit about the whole "White savior thing"



More here https://www.buzzfeed.com/marcusjone...-not-a-white-s?utm_term=.btLpDr8X8#.lgkno3qaq

No to that website.

 

[Dr. Evil]

This show will keep me busy until SHIELD returns.

 

[RaidenX]

When does the reviews usually hit?

March 8

 

[legendkillin]

This show will keep me busy until SHIELD returns.

I plan to binge watch it all the weekend it comes out.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I might. St. Patrick's Day might be the only thing preventing it.

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

Another interview with the cast. http://nerdist.com/iron-fist-stars-address-casting-controversy-and-tease-possible-spinoffs/

Love Finn mentioning how awesome it would be to have a Heroes for Hire/Daughters of the Dragon show. I agree, Finn. t:

 

[3dman27]

so do i

 

[3dman27]

Coleen Wing Poster

saved

 

[Darepool]

I want that jacket.

 

[superman-mos]

I'm really really hoping that they pulled influence from great King Fu movies from the past . I want it capture that feeling . Movies like King Boxer , Deadly Venoms , 36th Chamber , and from the man himself Bruce Lee . I know RZA had some involvement and hope he brought his love for these films with him at least in the episodes he had his hands in

 

[Sterling Archer]

So Finn left twitter recently because people are still mad that he's not asian. Sigh.

 

[legendkillin]

So Finn left twitter recently because people are still mad that he's not asian. Sigh.

I don't know the character Iron Fist all that well, but he has always been white when I see him. Danny Rand is the only Iron Fist I know. I don't get why people think the character should be Asian, is it the martial arts thing?

 

[Slick]

So Finn left twitter recently because people are still mad that he's not asian. Sigh.

Are ****ing kidding me. Some people are dumb.

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

So Finn left twitter recently because people are still mad that he's not asian. Sigh.

This really made angry and sad for him because he seems like a really nice guy who tries hard to be an ally for important causes. Yet he's attacked because some people are still bitter and upset that their campaign failed. I know he responded to some of the criticism, which was probably a mistake. He should have just kept promoting the show and ignored the haters but he took the bait, unfortunately.

In the long run though, it was probably a wise choice to leave twitter, at least for awhile. These folks won't quit and will look for any reason to bash him.

 

[Sterling Archer]

This really made angry and sad for him because he seems like a really nice guy who tries hard to be an ally for important causes. Yet he's attacked because some people are still bitter and upset that their campaign failed. I know he responded to some of the criticism, which was probably a mistake. He should have just kept promoting the show and ignored the haters but he took the bait, unfortunately.

In the long run though, it was probably a wise choice to leave twitter, at least for awhile. These folks won't quit and will look for any reason to bash him.

It made me quite angry too. Even if a person truly believes that Iron Fist is a racist character and would be much better if played by an asian actor, it seems incredibly petty and vindictive to take it out on an actor who would have been stupid to turn down a role like this, instead of the company that actually makes the show. Especially considering that Finn's responses to them were incredibly reasonable, logical and respectful.

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

It made me quite angry too. Even if a person truly believes that Iron Fist is a racist character and would be much better if played by an asian actor, it seems incredibly petty and vindictive to take it out on an actor who would have been stupid to turn down a role like this, instead of the company that actually makes the show. Especially considering that Finn's responses to them were incredibly reasonable, logical and respectful.

Yes, I thought so as well. But this was not a "fight" he was going to win, since most of the naysayers have decided that they will dislike him no matter what he says or does. It's misdirected anger on their part. The powers that be didn't respond the way they wanted, so Finn becomes an easy target.

 

[Panacea]

I don't know the character Iron Fist all that well, but he has always been white when I see him. Danny Rand is the only Iron Fist I know. I don't get why people think the character should be Asian, is it the martial arts thing?

Because social justice warriors don't think logically.