MCU X-Men - Part 2

[Iceman]

Replace Jubilee with Psylocke, add Nightcrawler and this is the perfect X-Men roster. This is what Marvel should strive to bring to the big screen, even if it takes them more than one movie to do it.

I think they can take a few movies to build towards a big roster with most of the A names in.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Hmmmm would a third Telepath be considered overkill though?

And Marvel may want to have a young PoV character like Jubilee around.


I wonder who will actually be the PoV character for the new X-MEN.


I'd like Anole, Oya, or Hisako.





Also since we are talking diversity and also since Pietro is dead.


It'd be kinda cool to have Northstar be on the first team. But I doubt they put a gay guy in the movie. Only gay person I remember from MCU films is the boy from Spider-Man. But he's the first gay superhero he should be on screen.

 

[Marvel united]

There will definitely be diversity in X-MEN.


The only question will be C/D isters or Racebent A/B Listers.

Both. Most of the A-listers should stay white (Scott, Jean, Logan, Charles) but everybody else could be open casting. We also need LGBTQ representation in the movie And that's where Iceman and potentially Mystique come in

What they should go for is something in vein of Homecoming

 

[Jh7058622]

Replace Jubilee with Psylocke, add Nightcrawler and this is the perfect X-Men roster. This is what Marvel should strive to bring to the big screen, even if it takes them more than one movie to do it.

I'd want Jubilee there too though lol she speaks to the 90s obsessed generation.

 

[Abudefduf]

I think they can take a few movies to build towards a big roster with most of the A names in.

Uh, how tf did I forget about you? Iceman is a must. Replace Jubilee with him then.

Hmmmm would a third Telepath be considered overkill though?

Well, Psylocke doesn't have to be a telepath. Her most iconic power is her ability to create weapons out of psychic energy anyway. That's the one that fans care the most about.

 

[Iceman]

Both. Most of the A-listers should stay white (Scott, Jean, Logan, Charles) but everybody else could be open casting. We also need LGBTQ representation in the movie And that's where Iceman and potentially Mystique come in

What they should go for is something in vein of Homecoming

Angel too I think. Xavier I don't think is a must.

 

[Iceman]

Uh, how tf did I forget about you? Iceman is a must. Replace Jubilee with him then.

Haha

About time we got to see the real Iceman (although I did like Shawn Ashmore - he just stayed as a junior for the whole 20 years!).

Jubilee I think can be added in at least a small capacity whoever else is in the film.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Well, Psylocke doesn't have to be a telepath. Her most iconic power is the ability to create weapons out of psychic energy anyway, the one that fans care the most about.

I was just messing around because there's usually a one TP per team rule in X-Books alot of times.

 

[Marvel united]

Angel too I think. Xavier I don't think is a must.

Oh yeah, Angel's race kinda plays a part in his story like Danny Rand so him too. Charles I could see being Asian since he looks Eurasian half of the time in the comics anyway but I doubt Marvel will mess with Charles.

 

[Havok83]

But to stay true to what X-Men is, there should be more minorities in an ideally, majority poc cast imo. If you're going touch on themes, metaphors and issues that real minorities go through from day to day life, then more minorities should be playing these characters. Especially in 2018-2020 and the current political climate (which an X-Men film in 2020-2022 SHOULD parallel)

There's a reason why some of the most iconic X-Men villains (were INTENTIONALLY) made to mirror real groups and historical figures i.e Magneto, Stryker, Senator Kelly, Trask etc

Will a movie be diminished if they stay true to the races of the characters from the books? Not really. Will an onscreen adaptation of the most iconic story DPS, be better if Jean is a latina and Scott is asian? I think not. I say this is a black man. I dont need these characters to be literal POC for me to grasp the metaphor of what they are conveying. First off thats not all that the X-men are about and second things dont need to be distilled down to a very basic literal form in order to take away a message

Uh, how tf did I forget about you? Iceman is a must. Replace Jubilee with him then.

Well, Psylocke doesn't have to be a telepath. Her most iconic power is her ability to create weapons out of psychic energy anyway. That's the one that fans care the most about.

her most iconic power (the psi-knife) is TP based. To quote the comics, "its the sum total of her telepathic abilities"

 

[Endeavor]

Sinister would be a good starter villain imo. That way Cyclops could get character development at the beginning

Really?
I've always thought Sinister is someone you need to build up to.
He's such a schemer and manipulative a*hole... I'd see him shown to be the master behind whatever it is they have to face in the first movie, then have him be the big bad in movie 2, in which we all think he's been done and dealt with. Jump to several movies later he resurfaces and we find out he had someone else behind the scenes, and you deal with the whole Apocalypse side of the story.

 

[Iceman]

Oh yeah, Angel's race kinda plays a part in his story like Danny Rand so him too. Charles I could see being Asian since he looks Eurasian half of the time in the comics anyway but I doubt Marvel will mess with Charles.

Ha, he does a bit now that you mention it.

 

[Endeavor]

her most iconic power (the psi-knife) is TP based. To quote the comics, "its the sum total of her telepathic abilities"

Yes please, telepathic knife, NOT telekinetic.
I hated when Claremont changed that in the 10 month gap stories.
Used to be that the combination of telepathy and telekinesis in the same individual was rare. Now it's so damn common it's a joke.

If you want to give Betsy a unique set of powers, keep her a telepath while also giving her the shadow-melting/teleportation powers she had when exposed to the Crimson Dawn.

 

[Lip]

Replace Jubilee with Psylocke, add Nightcrawler and this is the perfect X-Men roster. This is what Marvel should strive to bring to the big screen, even if it takes them more than one movie to do it.

I'd replace Jubilee, Beast and Gambit with Kitty, Colossus and Kurt. It'd be perfect for me, but I'm perfectly fine with other rosters.

 

[Iceman]

There are many combinations of rosters that could make me happy.

 

[The Guard]

So I'm all for diversity, but you can explore the idea of an oppressed group by exploring the idea of an oppressed group.

They should certainly aim for diversity, but they don't don't need to go crazy with it, and they don't need to go crazy with it in the first film. I don't know that any of them have to be white, but the MCU doesn't have a reputation for race-swapping it's main heroes, it's been mostly the supporting cast, and there are enough diverse X-Men to use in the supporting cast that they wouldn't need to do that.

Some combination of Storm, Cyclops, Beast and Jean, Iceman and Angel would be fine for the core X-Men starting out, but if they want to, they can go New X-Men and use Thunderbird, Sunspot and others. Jubilee deserves to have a role sooner rather than later.

The generally popular X-Men tend to go beyond even human diversity, though. Their powers alone make them diverse, but...

Beast is generally eventually a blue-furred animal like creature.
Kurt is a demon.
Heck, some of their members are part machine, or all machine...or vampires...and so on and so forth.

 

[Marvel united]

Will a movie be diminished if they stay true to the races of the characters from the books? Not really.

Depends on the lineup, really. If it's a 7 member all-white X-Men with 1 poc (likely Storm) then I could see some have an issue with that. It won't ruin the movie for me, personally - but I will feel like there was a missed opportunity.

Will an onscreen adaptation of the most iconic story DPS, be better if Jean is a latina and Scott is asian? I think not.

No, not Scott and Jean. But characters like Hank, Kurt, Remy etc can be open casting.

I say this is a black man. I dont need these characters to be literal POC for me to grasp the metaphor of what they are conveying. First off thats not all that the X-men are about and second things dont need to be distilled down to a very basic literal form in order to take away a message

And I say this is a half Black, half Asian man - having these events and fantastical things happening to ACTUAL minorities in the movie would much more powerful than having them happen to non-minorities. The message would hit harderer and go much deeper. When you base your story directly on the Civil Rights era and the struggle of Blacks, gays and every other minority group - it makes sense to have these people playing the parts of characters whose stories are a direct metaphor for theirs.

I am aware that that's not all that the X-Men is about. There is a lot more about them to love like the rich characters, the costumes, the technology and the dynamic relationships but themes of equality, injustice and discrimination are part of thr franchise's DNA and it's a huge part of what separates the X-Men and mutants in general from other superhero teams and franchises. Unlike the others, humanity does NOT cheer on when the "good mutants" show up to save the day. X-Men fight for a race people who hate them soley because they are born different from normal people and yet they continue to fight anyway because Charles Xavier has a dream that humans and mutants can live in harmony. A philosophy directly based on Martin Luthor King. Jr.

The themes are intrinisically tied to the core of the franchise and a modern update In 2021 I would expect to take the next step and have a racially diverse cast like Spider-Man: Homecoming

 

[Iceman]

Yes please, telepathic knife, NOT telekinetic.
I hated when Claremont changed that in the 10 month gap stories.
Used to be that the combination of telepathy and telekinesis in the same individual was rare. Now it's so damn common it's a joke.

If you want to give Betsy a unique set of powers, keep her a telepath while also giving her the shadow-melting/teleportation powers she had when exposed to the Crimson Dawn.

I would like to see those Crimson Dawn powers included.

 

[psylockolussus]

Storm
Psylocke
Phoenix
Rogue
Cyclops
Gambit
Iceman
Angel

Those are my picks. The others are in a mission (will be featured in the sequel) somewhere, cameo at the end.

 

[Lip]

Speaking of Psylocke's powers... I'd like to see some pink-ish visual effects on Jean's powers like this:

But, I don't know if they'll do it since is very similar to Wanda's powers, which, by the way, is basically telekinesis.

 

[fan4stic]

I think the supporting cast was actually the weaker part of SM H. Flash had more screentime than Raimi's Flash did I think, but I think was not much less generic. MJ was one note and kinda obnoxious to me. Liz seemed kinda one dimensional. Ned worked to me though.

 

[Endeavor]

...I don't know if they'll do it since is very similar to Wanda's powers, witch, by the way, is basically telekinesis.

I've been thinking about that for some time.
I think maybe Wanda might go through a change post Avengers 4.
They might show there's more to her powers, and it's really reality altering, and not what we've seen so far.

I hope that's the way they go anyway.

 

[Marvel united]

Speaking of Psylocke's powers... I'd like to see some pink-ish visual effects on Jean's powers like this:

But, I don't know if they'll do it since is very similar to Wanda's powers, witch, by the way, is basically telekinesis.

Maybe Jean's power effects can be blue or bright pink. That's something I would like to see as well. On Magneto too, maybe a faint magnetic aura around his hands whenever he's using his powers

 

[Lip]

Maybe Jean's power effects can be blue or bright pink. That's something I would like to see as well. On Magneto too, maybe a faint magnetic aura around his hands whenever he's using his powers

Blue I associate more with Sue Storm. But I wasn't taking about the color, but more about how similar she can be to Wanda's.

 

[Endeavor]

Blue I associate more with Sue Storm. But I wasn't taking about the color, but more about how similar she can be to Wanda's.

One of the gripes I had with Age of Ultron was how they made Wanda a Jean clone.
Whedon dropped the ball on that one.