Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

[Superchan]

Like most of you have stated already, JJ (love him, hate him or be just 'meh' about him) has a style that is very suitable for superman, namely fun, popcorn flick that's created specifically to entertain the audience and kick start a franchise. He already restarted 2 iconic franchises that start with an S and him going for the trifecta makes sense.
JJ's Flyby scripts were chock FULL of hockey idiotic ideas, however he got superman right, which is something that Snyder can only dream of. Abrahams's superman was charismatic and likeable while all the mopey, emo nonsense was given to the young CK in Smallville.
MOS got alot of things right like Cavill, the costume, the cast, the action, the villain and the krypton bit but non of that mattered at the end because Superman himself was utter s*** IMO.
I have no issues with JJ coming in and injecting superman with some solar concentrated adrenaline to wake the character up after Snyder poisoned him with emo kryptonite and then bring in a Brad Bird or J Bayona or even a Patty Jenkins (Vaughn and Mcquarrie are a pipe dream now sadly) to try their hands at developing the character for sequels.
A few months ago I would've bet the kent farm on JJ doing superman but now with all this talk of no plans for a superman solo in the near future tells me, for sure, that JJ has nothing to do with the project. But then Campea reports about JJ being involved and I..............really don't know what to think so I'm just gonna sit by the river and see what it washes up.

 

[SupermanFan]

Because I CBA to type it out again

 

[Greenlite]

THE SITUATION with Henry Cavill and Superman is … complicated. Sources tell Heat Vision that Cavill is not in any negotiations for any cameo. And that the character is currently not in any written script. Not in Black Adam, not The Batman, not even in The Flash, which would be the most obvious project to insert the Kryptonian, seeing as the film deals with both time travel and an alternate Earth, and could serve as an easy entry point.


The keyword in all of this is “currently.” There is, however, interest in and ideas about and exploratory talks regarding what a Cavill appearance might look like.

Sounds like a “preliminary” talk? Maybe HC showing up in Snyder’s video and Garcia promoting it is them giving AT&T goodwill and telling them they’re ready to negotiate? And it’s happening now.

“not in any negotiations for any cameo. And that the character is currently not in any written script. Not in Black Adam, not The Batman, not even in The Flash”

That’s just funny how they word it now, if. Not negotiating cameos, are they talking ideas about cameos, are they talking about MoS2? Are they talking about Shazam? Because the last one was so obvious and the clear favorite, THR didn’t even mention, intentionally?

 

[Greenlite]

That’s hilarious lol even the score

 

[moviefreak]

I sat through the screening of Superman in Decemeber 1978, Superman Returns in 2006 and MOS in 2013. The last thing I want is a Superman film pandering to the nostalgia of the Donner/Reeve/William era. This is why I never like Superman Returns and the reproposing of William's theme in modern films. How many time that I have to tell people to leave the William theme alone? Zimmer did an excellent job of creating one for a modern Superman. If there is going to be a reboot, they need to do an original score to separate the film from Donner's & Snyder's.

Likewise, I like The Avenger and Iron Man, but I do not want MOS 2 or a rebooted Superman film in that vein. I mean, I sat through The Avenger fine, it's just that I never like the Marvel/MCU brand of humours & tones. I'm an old comicbook reader, afaik Reeve's Superman is exclusive to Donner's and some comic books took inspiratations from that film. The 1978 film managed to make it work for that period of time, and the humours were mostly subtle and understated. MOS took some inspirations from Byrne's Man of Steel comics series which ironically rebooted the story after the Crisis on Infinite Earths series which had me shaking my head at the absurdity. After Byrne, I went away from reading comics and only occassionally read some of the latest in the store.

Well...they could have gone like this in the opening scene with Ursa quipping to Jor-El:

lol

JJ Abrams better not do his lame tricks of copy-and-paste like Super 8 (Spielberg) and The Force Awakens (Lucas, Episode IV - A New Hope). He's much better as a producer with over 70 projects to his credit and only 15 films as director. His best works were Mission Impossible III and to lesser extend the rebooted Star Trek. He doesn't really shine as a director imo, and if he's going to direct a Superman solo film, he needs to employ a good writer, really good writer and not let his (mystery box) ideas run wild.

 

[Tra-El]

Sounds like a “preliminary” talk? Maybe HC showing up in Snyder’s video and Garcia promoting it is them giving AT&T goodwill and telling them they’re ready to negotiate? And it’s happening now.

“not in any negotiations for any cameo. And that the character is currently not in any written script. Not in Black Adam, not The Batman, not even in The Flash”

That’s just funny how they word it now, if. Not negotiating cameos, are they talking ideas about cameos, are they talking about MoS2? Are they talking about Shazam? Because the last one was so obvious and the clear favorite, THR didn’t even mention, intentionally?

Man of Steel 2 is the endgame. As much as Campea annoys the living hell out of me, I honestly think he's right in the end. I think cameos are on the table for sure, but in the end, lead actors don't negotiate supporting roles as the main attraction to what their representing. I think Henry will show up in other films but Man of Steel 2 is what they're ultimately discussing and how they're going to get there. They got JJ Abrams, who is "obsessed with Superman" right in their backyard. Plus, they won't want this to get out there via trade. This will be a bigger announcement for a bigger stage. Curious to see if anything drops on the 7th anniversary for Man of Steel or if a virtual SDCC is planned.

 

[Greenlite]

Oh HC posting a workout pic during negotiation happened in 2018 too before it fell through lol

 

[Micromind]

Oh HC posting a workout pic during negotiation happened in 2018 too before it fell through lol

This time his dog is also in the pic.

 

[STARMAN]

The fact that they're talking likely means most of the hostilities between the two camps is behind them. The financial barrier is probably no longer an issue. It's probably a logistics issue. Whatever the complications are they need to be settled now so to have a long term plan. Meaning they can't simply agree to a cool cameo in Shazam and figure out the rest later. They have to put together a multifilm plan, including a standalone film, now to insure the stability of the character. Don't kick the can down the road. Work it all out this summer.

As for JJ Abrams. I want it to be true so bad. Campea even stated the same sentiment in his video. He cautioned that he wants to believe the intel given him because he wants it to be true. So do I. Then we can finally move forward as Superman fans without this constant questioning of what's happening and reacting to every blogger's comment.

 

[Micromind]

Edit: wrong thread.

 

[Tra-El]

I do think the hardball talks are done. I think a deal is intiment and probably a sure thing at this point, if not already. They have a handshake agreement of "Okay, we want to do this. You are our Superman, now lets sit". It's complicated. You can't just be like "Hey sign this and we'll figure it out later". Things need mapped. Cameos? Then they need to fill in other people working on those projects. Producers, directors, screenwriters. Solo? Who do we need to talk to? Is it JJ? Is it someone else? What story do we tell? How do we proceed with the Snyder Cut? Are you willing to do voiceovers? Are we doing additional photography? Can we schedule you for Shazam! with this date? What about this one? Black Adam is aiming for this..what can we do to add this?

Everything just needs polished and they got the entire pandemic thing to settle into these talks. But I do think the overall partnership is healthy.

 

[Greenlite]

Lol just watched Campea’s video, I am so giddy right now

He said the source that told him Ben was out as Batman 2 years before its official, and the other source that collaborated with the story, who also gave him “Snyder Cut’s 70M not 30M” and the Nightwing McKay situation, both collaborated on the scoop that JJ’s doing a Superman solo movie (unsure which role), and Henry Cavill is his Superman (first source said not announced yet to give JJ flexibility but it may very well be HC, the second source said it’s a done deal).

The Rob guy said it makes sense from a business POV not to announce it now, and imagine as a fan or GA having HC (Witcher Star) showing up at the end of Black Adam to fight the biggest star on earth, and few days later announce a JJ Abram Superman movie starring HC.

Both think it doesn’t make sense for HC as the Witcher lead to return to sign up for cameos and cheer about it.

PS he said to take it as grain of salt and don’t make it news cuz he is not a trade but he’s hoping it’s true

 

[STARMAN]

I have to believe whatever complications exist is due to the scope of the deal. All this haggling can't simply be over what guest appearance to make. It has to be more or both sides shouldn't bother.

The perfect scenario is WB finalizes the details with Henry including a standalone and sometime later it's announced JJ is directing that standalone at the right moment. That's my dream scenario. I have a few others but that's my top one.

 

[Greenlite]

I do think the hardball talks are done. I think a deal is intiment and probably a sure thing at this point, if not already. They have a handshake agreement of "Okay, we want to do this. You are our Superman, now lets sit". It's complicated. You can't just be like "Hey sign this and we'll figure it out later". Things need mapped. Cameos? Then they need to fill in other people working on those projects. Producers, directors, screenwriters. Solo? Who do we need to talk to? Is it JJ? Is it someone else? What story do we tell? How do we proceed with the Snyder Cut? Are you willing to do voiceovers? Are we doing additional photography? Can we schedule you for Shazam! with this date? What about this one? Black Adam is aiming for this..what can we do to add this?

Everything just needs polished and they got the entire pandemic thing to settle into these talks. But I do think the overall partnership is healthy.

Sounds like you are doing WB secretary’s job lol

Maybe even it’s like signing a conditional contract buying a house, the price and conditions are negotiated, done, then it’s just a matter of going through the inspections and finance, moving dates etc before making it unconditional.

So they might have a signed draft agreement or a verbal one etc, and now getting into the nitty gritties.

Just realized, maybe the leaked info to trades with cameos only or no deep discussions, JJ wants some flexibility play is a way to keep HC’s team in check as well if they are negotiating any part of the deal, like you don’t want to show all your cards before the entire negotiatin ends.

 

[Greenlite]

I have to believe whatever complications exist is due to the scope of the deal. All this haggling can't simply be over what guest appearance to make. It has to be more or both sides shouldn't bother.

The perfect scenario is WB finalizes the details with Henry including a standalone and sometime later it's announced JJ is directing that standalone at the right moment. That's my dream scenario. I have a few others but that's my top one.

I believe they are stuck on the new costume, JJ wants underwear, and Cavill wants his MOS one back. So my source told me

 

[Arachnerd]

I'm still not on the Abrams train to be honest.

 

[Greenlite]

I'm still not on the Abrams train to be honest.

There’s always Thomas the Train to brighten up your day

=P

 

[flickchick85]

Lol just watched Campea’s video, I am so giddy right now

He said the source that told him Ben was out as Batman 2 years before its official, and the other source that collaborated with the story, who also gave him “Snyder Cut’s 70M not 30M” and the Nightwing McKay situation, both collaborated on the scoop that JJ’s doing a Superman solo movie (unsure which role), and Henry Cavill is his Superman (first source said not announced yet to give JJ flexibility but it may very well be HC, the second source said it’s a done deal).

The Rob guy said it makes sense from a business POV not to announce it now, and imagine as a fan or GA having HC (Witcher Star) showing up at the end of Black Adam to fight the biggest star on earth, and few days later announce a JJ Abram Superman movie starring HC.

Both think it doesn’t make sense for HC as the Witcher lead to return to sign up for cameos and cheer about it.

PS he said to take it as grain of salt and don’t make it news cuz he is not a trade but he’s hoping it’s true

I appreciate the summary so I don’t have to suffer through a Campea video.

 

[Greenlite]

I appreciate the summary so I don’t have to suffer through a Campea video.

Ya he looks like a bobble head lol, I had to rewind a few times cuz I lost focus, and they change camera angles for the radio like show, I was intrigued lol

 

[TheGuy]

Getting an actor first, before a director is very counter-intuitive. WB wants to start anew, then they should do the opposite.

 

[flickchick85]

Well one of Campea’s sources is apparently saying JJ’s in (some role), and they’re not announcing Cavill for the solo because they want JJ to have flexibility to either go with Cavill or have a totally fresh start, so WB might just feel the same way, who knows.

 

[TheGuy]

Well one of Campea’s sources is apparently saying JJ’s in (some role), and they’re not announcing Cavill for the solo because they want JJ to have flexibility to either go with Cavill or have a totally fresh start, so WB might just feel the same way, who knows.

 

[Tra-El]

Well one of Campea’s sources is apparently saying JJ’s in (some role), and they’re not announcing Cavill for the solo because they want JJ to have flexibility to either go with Cavill or have a totally fresh start, so WB might just feel the same way, who knows.

Yeah, both sources are both in on the JJ scoop. Both of them told him the same situation that Superman is JJ's. The source who told him about Affleck being out, The Snyder Cut budget and Chris Mckays Nightwing says the deal is already done with Henry. The other source said the situation was more flexible but that most likely, it's Henry as lead. I think it's all dotting i's and crossing T's then the announcement later on when it's time.

 

[Tra-El]

Have Correnswet be the Superman next to Pattison's Batman. Bring him in New52 style. Create a multiverse moment where Henry's last Superman appearence (all grey; Kingdom Come-style) comes into their world through the multiverse to warn them that he once fought Batman on his world and that the two are not to be enemies and the two should work together as the Worlds Finest.

MIC ****ING DROP.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

JJ Abrams on Superman makes sense on a creative and financial level. It actually takes the burden off WB on figuring out what to do with Superman. The studio can sit back and let Abrams handle it like Reeves is handling Batman. It's good for the character. It's good for the studio.

Lucasfilm sitting back and letting Abrams and co handle Star Wars was a disaster

WB needs a plan