What should Gunn do with Batman?

[ArmsHeldOut]

I'm not worried about overload. I sorta doubt Gunn has solo movies for this Batman in mind anytime soon, but he'd still be there in JL, doing ridiculously comic book things like building a massive space station, giant t-rex and coin in the cave, with multiple Bat family sidekicks, and a Joker who doesn't look like a walking nightmare, etc.

Exactly. That's what I've been saying.

 

[Invader Joker]

We also have to consider the possibility that Gunn and Reeves might literally just be lying because the news leaked before they wanted to reveal it.
No way to know for sure now but, Reeves has lied before on the studio's behalf, and Gunn has pretty much put himself in a position where once a rumor comes out via a trade he has to debunk it directly or his silence will pretty much be confirmation. So in a position where something as big and gigantic as that comes out before all the deals are in place and everything is signed and dotted, he'd have pretty much all the reason to lie about it. Hell, he probably /already/ lied when it came to the trades, because by now it's plainly obvious nothing on the Borys Kit article was false as he implied it was, it was probably all true with maybe some details they haven't decided yet, but none false.

I guess we'll have a clearer idea next month, but it'd be pretty bizarre too for a very respected trade like Variety to just put false information like that. Especially because looking at the Adam Vary guy he doesn't strike me as a sensationalist at all or a reckless person and for all intents and purposes is a professional in the business.

Also the fact that Reeves even commented on it strikes me as pretty strange because he never comments on trade stories beyond casting news, it's like the studio directly wanted him to tweet something, which makes me think the studio panicked.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

My gut tells me that Gunn isn't being disingenuous here, but we'll all find out in due time.

 

[J.Drangal]

Repost from another thread but it's relevant to this one :

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if Warner really care about Batman being in a shared universe or not. What they want really, is Batman in theaters, on a regular basis, and people coming.

Stay with me here : Reeves' take on Batman will stretch from here to, what, six years?
In that time, it will be at least three before a single movie from this new DCU hits theaters. Take another three, where other key characters are reintroduced like Superman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter or whatever, and the new Batman could finally only show up at the time of the team-up movie, right when Reeves and Pattinson will have finished their work. Just because the character isn't introduced from the start, doesn't mean he couldn't become very important to the universe, as Gunn said.

There you have it all : a studio happy with Batman in theaters every two years for at least a decade, no headaches about multiple Batmans running around at the same time, Reeves take remaining self-contained, and, if everything goes right, a DC universe that will be well built, ready to welcome its Batman later on.
This could even let a door open for the studio to, at that moment, ask Pattinson if he want to pursue beyond his trilogy, if the franchise wants/needs to capitalize on his (hopefully) continued success under the cowl.

From what I'm reading, I feel this may be the plan regarding Batman. I feel like a lot of people don't realize how long it's going to take for this to be put together. Batman, no matter what version, will certainly not cross paths with any other hero in the DC universe for a few years. There's time for options imo.

 

[Invader Joker]

Repost from another thread but it's relevant to this one :

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if Warner really care about Batman being in a shared universe or not. What they want really, is Batman in theaters, on a regular basis, and people coming.

Stay with me here : Reeves' take on Batman will stretch from here to, what, six years?
In that time, it will be at least three before a single movie from this new DCU hits theaters. Take another three, where other key characters are reintroduced like Superman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter or whatever, and the new Batman could finally only show up at the time of the team-up movie, right when Reeves and Pattinson will have finished their work. Just because the character isn't introduced from the start, doesn't mean he couldn't become very important to the universe, as Gunn said.

There you have it all : a studio happy with Batman in theaters every two years for at least a decade, no headaches about multiple Batmans running around at the same time, Reeves take remaining self-contained, and, if everything goes right, a DC universe that will be well built, ready to welcome its Batman later on.
This could even let a door open for the studio to, at that moment, ask Pattinson if he want to pursue beyond his trilogy, if the franchise wants/needs to capitalize on his (hopefully) continued success under the cowl.

From what I'm reading, I feel this may be the plan regarding Batman. I feel like a lot of people don't realize how long it's going to take for this to be put together. Batman, no matter what version, will certainly not cross paths with any other hero in the DC universe for a few years. There's time for options imo.

Yeah that's also what I've been thinking. Wouldn't be surprised if there's not even anything Batman related in that slate he has planned for next month.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Repost from another thread but it's relevant to this one :

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if Warner really care about Batman being in a shared universe or not. What they want really, is Batman in theaters, on a regular basis, and people coming.

Stay with me here : Reeves' take on Batman will stretch from here to, what, six years?
In that time, it will be at least three before a single movie from this new DCU hits theaters. Take another three, where other key characters are reintroduced like Superman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter or whatever, and the new Batman could finally only show up at the time of the team-up movie, right when Reeves and Pattinson will have finished their work. Just because the character isn't introduced from the start, doesn't mean he couldn't become very important to the universe, as Gunn said.

There you have it all : a studio happy with Batman in theaters every two years for at least a decade, no headaches about multiple Batmans running around at the same time, Reeves take remaining self-contained, and, if everything goes right, a DC universe that will be well built, ready to welcome its Batman later on.
This could even let a door open for the studio to, at that moment, ask Pattinson if he want to pursue beyond his trilogy, if the franchise wants/needs to capitalize on his (hopefully) continued success under the cowl.

From what I'm reading, I feel this may be the plan regarding Batman. I feel like a lot of people don't realize how long it's going to take for this to be put together. Batman, no matter what version, will certainly not cross paths with any other hero in the DC universe for a few years. There's time for options imo.

This is a good take (a very good take!), but, with six years being a mere hypothetical, it's contingent on how long the Reevesverse actually lasts. Matt tends to have a fairly long scriptwriting process; and his newly minted bosses may want to use their respective version of Batman sooner than later. I can definitely see it being the plan for the time being, though.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Repost from another thread but it's relevant to this one :

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if Warner really care about Batman being in a shared universe or not. What they want really, is Batman in theaters, on a regular basis, and people coming.

Stay with me here : Reeves' take on Batman will stretch from here to, what, six years?
In that time, it will be at least three before a single movie from this new DCU hits theaters. Take another three, where other key characters are reintroduced like Superman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter or whatever, and the new Batman could finally only show up at the time of the team-up movie, right when Reeves and Pattinson will have finished their work. Just because the character isn't introduced from the start, doesn't mean he couldn't become very important to the universe, as Gunn said.

There you have it all : a studio happy with Batman in theaters every two years for at least a decade, no headaches about multiple Batmans running around at the same time, Reeves take remaining self-contained, and, if everything goes right, a DC universe that will be well built, ready to welcome its Batman later on.
This could even let a door open for the studio to, at that moment, ask Pattinson if he want to pursue beyond his trilogy, if the franchise wants/needs to capitalize on his (hopefully) continued success under the cowl.

From what I'm reading, I feel this may be the plan regarding Batman. I feel like a lot of people don't realize how long it's going to take for this to be put together. Batman, no matter what version, will certainly not cross paths with any other hero in the DC universe for a few years. There's time for options imo.

That makes sense.

But on the other hand, I think they need to show the Justice league up and running pronto. The watchtower, and all that. I think it's a key part of the DC universe's appeal.

Granted, I guess it doesn't mean they need a Justice League movie right away. We could see, for example, in the Superman movie, a scene where he's up in the Watchtower, where there are several League members hanging out on their downtime, like what happens all the time in JLU, and Bats wouldn't have to be there.

 

[DCDAVE]

I don’t understand the issue with Reeves Batman leading the DCU moving forward. Can someone explain to me why fans have issues with this?

 

[Lily Adler]

I don’t understand the issue with Reeves Batman leading the DCU moving forward. Can someone explain to me why fans have issues with this?

The caveats of Reeves creative vision being compromised by world building the DCU rather than letting it go full Batman.

 

[Frodo]

I think fans are going to just have to accept that Reeve, like Nolan, doesn't want his universe to be a shared one.

We can think that's unfair , or not what we prefer, but that's Reeves take, and WB is standing by him on that.

On top if it, my guess is ,Gunn has his own vision for what he wants his Batman to be.

At the end of the day , not everyone is getting everything they want out of Gunn's new DCU.

The Cavill fans are taking the hit of him not being asked back, and now, fans who wanted Battinson to be the DCU Batman are gonna have to come to terms with that not happening.

 

[DCDAVE]

The caveats of Reeves creative vision being compromised by world building the DCU rather than letting it go full Batman.

Understandable but by the time a Justice League movie happens I would hope that Reeves vision would be fully realized. Reeves will probably only do three Batman movies.

 

[emc5466]

The caveats of Reeves creative vision being compromised by world building the DCU rather than letting it go full Batman.

Matt Reeves is a director of sequels and remakes. He’s not exactly John Ford or Stanley Kubrick.

Battinson joining the DCU is the only decision that makes sense if they want Batman in the DCU for the next ten years…and of course that’s what they want.

 

[BobJM]

I don’t see a greater DCU compromising The Batman or Reeves’ vision. He can still play in his sandbox.

A Secret Invasion-type film with White Martians infiltrating the global governments of the world could still provide the heightened neo noir elements for this Batman to feel right at home.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Understandable but by the time a Justice League movie happens I would hope that Reeves vision would be fully realized. Reeves will probably only do three Batman movies.

Matt Reeves is a director of sequels and remakes. He’s not exactly John Ford or Stanley Kubrick.

Granted, Reeves is no Kubrick, but he's still known to have a rather long filmmaking process. What's more, The Batman universe, with a Penguin and Arkham series currently in the works, is arguably one of the most ambitious projects he's ever undertaken. And again, that kind of worldbuilding takes time.

Don't be fooled by his polite and diplomatic demeanor, mind you. As others have already said, Reeves has very little interest in contributing to the shared universe model. Come to think of it, that's partly the reason he passed on Affleck's Batman script.

I read a script that they had that was a totally valid take on the movie. It was very action driven. It was very deeply connected to the DCEU, with other major characters from other movies and other comics popping up. I just knew that when I read it this particular script was not the way I’d want to do it.

Read between the lines.

 

[DCDAVE]

Granted, Reeves is no Kubrick, but he's still known to have a rather long filmmaking process. What's more, The Batman universe, with a Penguin and Arkham series currently in the works, is arguably one of the most ambitious projects he's ever undertaken. And again, that kind of worldbuilding takes time.

Don't be fooled by his polite and diplomatic demeanor, mind you. As others have already said, Reeves has very little interest in contributing to the shared universe model. Come to think of it, that's partly the reason he passed on Affleck's Batman script.



Read between the lines.

I know this board is not big fans of Grace Randolph but she said let’s wait until after Superman comes before we write off Pattinson in the DCU. She thinks Reeves does not want to get involved with the overall DCU because he is not sure it will work. The Batman world is incredible on its own. So I can’t blame him. Looking forward to Gunn’s presentation.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

The caveats of Reeves creative vision being compromised by world building the DCU rather than letting it go full Batman.

BTAS didn't world-build the DCAU, though (aside from the Star Labs reference in the first episode). It was pure Batman until STAS and TNBA came along and made a shared universe full of heroes.
The DCU could easily do likewise. Just have an unspecified time skip after Reeves finishes his trilogy, leading to a World's Finest style Superman/Batman crossover where Batman has a new costume and better tech that lets him deal with more powerful threats.

 

[BobJM]

I know The Batman really leaned on the neo noir aesthetic but Pattinson’s Batman isn’t just some guy with a mask. I think people are discounting that he could stand toe-to-toe with other DC characters without straying from Reeves’ established universe:

Batman’s invulnerable to even automatic gunfire at close range. His suit has hidden high-voltage gauntlets to strengthen his assault. If that’s not enough, he has an adrenaline kick to momentarily increase his strength and stamina. No doubt he improves upon his flight suit and makes gliding across the sky easier. And we’ve already seen him use his his grappling hook. And let’s forget about his advanced contact lens surveillance tech.

Sure, throw in some cooler toys. Give him a few more monitors in the Batcave. Give him a Batplane. And further develop his detective skills / intellect a bit more and we’re practically there. That all comes post-Year Two (The Batman) anyway. We’re only just seeing “freaks” in Gotham City after Batman’s emergence.

All Batman needs is a sliver of Kryptonite for Superman. And a book of matches for any Martians. The rest he can take down with wit and his current arsenal.

Whether it was BTAS for the DCAU, or Iron Man for the MCU the proven formula has always been to first establish your universe and then expand out.

 

[HydraSith12]

If Pattinson is not the Batman from the New DCEU then his Batman would not be a main priority anymore he only will get a Trilogy like Bale Batman and they will move on the New DCEU Batman will be the new priority now and the New DCEU Batman will have his own Movies eventually and should have to shine more than Pattinson version if this is the case i wonder if they will let Pattinson to have 3 Batman Movies if he is not the New DCEU Batman im sure DC want the fans to be investment in the New DC Universe and if Pattinson Batman is not part of the New DCEU i see with difficulty that Pattinson will get a Third Movie and by 2030 the New DCEU should already be a reality and have at least 2 Movies in the New Universe

 

[Invader Joker]

I know The Batman really leaned on the neo noir aesthetic but Pattinson’s Batman isn’t just some guy with a mask. I think people are discounting that he could stand toe-to-toe with other DC characters without straying from Reeves’ established universe:

Batman’s invulnerable to even automatic gunfire at close range. His suit has hidden high-voltage gauntlets to strengthen his assault. If that’s not enough, he has an adrenaline kick to momentarily increase his strength and stamina. No doubt he improves upon his flight suit and makes gliding across the sky easier. And we’ve already seen him use his his grappling hook. And let’s forget about his advanced contact lens surveillance tech.

Sure, throw in some cooler toys. Give him a few more monitors in the Batcave. Give him a Batplane. And further develop his detective skills / intellect a bit more and we’re practically there. That all comes post-Year Two (The Batman) anyway. We’re only just seeing “freaks” in Gotham City after Batman’s emergence.

All Batman needs is a sliver of Kryptonite for Superman. And a book of matches for any Martians. The rest he can take down with wit and his current arsenal.

Whether it was BTAS for the DCAU, or Iron Man for the MCU the proven formula has always been to first establish your universe and then expand out.

Also, Batman has always been the brains of the League. There's no reason physicality should even come into play when discussing his usefulness in the League, even in "peak human" like the comics he's still inferior to the alien beings the League has to confront, he always has to use his intelligence.

This Batman has already proven to be a great engineer and on Reeves words he's the world's greatest detective or on track to become that.

 

[HydraSith12]

I hope the New DCEU Batman had a Bat Family i want to see a Young Dick Grayson as Robin and later in future Movies to him to become Nightwing with the time i hope Jason Todd and Damian Wayne are part of the New DCEU Batman World too im sure they are going to cast a new Joker that isnt Jared Leto Joaquin Phoenix or Barry Keoghan versions but i think they will use it later to avoid Joker character fatigue i can see Penguin Riddler Catwoman being casted by New Actors too i am sure Deathstroke would be New DCEU Batman First Villain of course i speak with the perspective believing that Pattinson will not be the New DCEU Batman i personally believe that Pattinson will not be the Actor who will succeeded Affleck Batman thats why i now understand why Zaslav got angry about having so many Batmans

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I can see them at this moment not having any talks about putting Pattinson's Batman into the DCU, because lets be honest... if Superman doesn't work... if Gunn's first few movies in his slate doesn't work... he probably won't last long in that job. Why make an early commitment to attaching The Batman universe to something we don't know will work yet? That would only drag Reeves universe down with a sinking ship. I can see that being the mindset of everyone involved (Gunn, Reeves, Pattinson, everybody). Don't commit yet until things solidify.

But if that Superman movie is successful, don't be surprised to see the announcement of Pattinson signing on for a World's Finest movie co-starring with whoever they cast as Superman.

 

[HydraSith12]

Zaslav dont liked Pattinson Detective version of Batman im sure Zaslav would cancel Pattinson Batman Movies right now if he can but Matt Reeves got a deal with the previous Warner administration im sure Walter Hamada would have Rebooted the DC Universe with The Batman Universe but i dont think Zaslav wants to do the same

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Zaslav dont liked Pattinson Detective version of Batman im sure Zaslav would cancel Pattinson Batman Movies right now if he can but Matt Reeves got a deal with the previous Warner administration im sure Walter Hamada would have Rebooted the DC Universe with The Batman Universe but i dont think Zaslav wants to do the same

 

[HydraSith12]

Reeves Batman Universe and Joker Todd Phillips Universe are both Elseworlds same with the New Black Superman Movie they are not part of the Main and New DC Universe Gunn will let Reeves and Phillips finish their own thing while he creates the New DC Universe i have no illusions that Pattinson will be the New DCEU Batman i dont think they will Reboot the New DC Universe in The Batman Universe but we will see what the Future holds

 

[LoganGambit87]

i feel like this is the perfect opportunity for an in his prime established Batman not an older retired veteran like Affleck and not a rookie 2 years in like Pattinson