Do you think Marvel will EVER get the film rights to Spider-Man?

[Black_Superman]

Its never gonna happen. Spider-Man is one of the top franchises of Sony right now. Unless they go bankrupt and loses all their millions, then I could see Marvel Studios getting the movie rights of Spider-Man.

Well Sony can't go bankrupt because they make PlayStation system which is Sony strongest support. But the only way Marvel/Disney can get the Spider-Man film right is that they can buy the rights back because Disney have the money (they do own ESPN, ABC, and other stuff). Lot of fans don't like how Sony is making Spider-Man movies and if the next Spider-Man movie doesn't do good then Sony will sell the right. I say Sony is killing it, and they don't want to let it go.

 

[Shikamaru]

At the moment, I don't even want Spider-Man back at Marvel not only because Marvel is way too busy with other projects to be able to put full effort into Spider-Man but also because they've pretty much ruined Spider-Man in every other medium so far.

616 comics? Been crap since OMD and got only worse with Superior Spider-Man. They killed off Peter in the most pathetic way possible.

Ultimate comics? They killed off Peter in favor of a minority as Spider-Man. It would be a problem if they had an additional reason for doing it other than them just want a non-white Spider-Man, which they don't (at least according to Quesada). They literally did it just so that they could have a black Spider-Man.

Spider-Man on TV? Ultimate Spider-Man is arguably the worst Spider-Man adaptation to date, because portrays Spider-Man in the exact opposite way he should be portrayed (narcissistic, not that smart, doesn't think before he acts, is irresponsible, and the list goes on). The irony is that the Spider-Man show prior to USM that is also often regarded by fans as the best portrayal of Spider-Man outside the comics so far, The Spectacular Spider-Man, was made by Sony.

Only current mediums we have where Spider-Man hasn't been completely butchered yet are the movies and the video games and though the games are enjoyable, most of the recent ones have not exactly been that great either - just fun to play at best. Not that The Amazing Spider-Man was this masterpiece or even one of the greatest comic book movies so far, but they've at least established a universe with a lot of potential and the sequel for far looks fantastic.

Basically, I don't understand why anyone would want Spider-Man back anytime soon when Marvel has proven to not only not get him but to not even care much about him - just compare the tribute Marvel gave to Iron Man for his 50th anniversary this year with the one they gave to Spider-Man last year. Maybe this will change in the future, probably when Quesada and the other heads currently running Marvel will retire, but at the moment, I would trust even WB more with the Spider-Man film rights than I would trust Marvel and that's saying a lot.

 

[OB12]

^^See, my interpretation is that Sony wants to spin the entertainment division off into its own entity in its entirety. Maybe they sell off pieces or maybe not. If they don't, I could see Disney buying a large share in the production company, enough to get the Spider-Man rights back, while letting the production company continue to produce Spider-Man films. It may also be a decent option to produce a Marvel Knights series of films, all under the auspices of Marvel Studios.

 

[Anno_Domini]

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Amy [Pascal] said that she would "Never ever ever" let go of SPIDER-MAN.

 

[Shikamaru]

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[ЯɘvlveR]

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be careful amy.

 

[psylockolussus]

At least with FOX, they have Fantastic Four and the X-Men, they could make a cross-over film with those 2 teams anytime they want. But Sony only has Spider-Man. So I think Sony should just make a deal with Disney for Spidey to appear in an Avengers movie. The Avengers are already massive and including Spidey in their roster would make it more massive. Sony will probably get a lot of money too with that deal so its gonna be a win-win for both studios.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Would anyone really care about a Fantastic Four/X-Men crossover though? Lol, again, that's something that would once again look better on paper if Spidey is involved(X-Men and Spider-Man, like in the cartoon).

 

[weezerspider]

I think Sony would be willing to make a deal to allow Spiderman in Avengers films for a fee, but would it be worth it to Marvel? I know Marvel wants to please their fans, but from a business standpoint, is bringing in Spiderman for an Avengers film really going to help Avengers, which already made tons of money, that much from a financial standpoint? There can't be that many people on the fence about Avengers 2 that would go over it if Spiderman was in it. Sony probably would charge Marvel a lot of money and it honestly wouldn't make much business sense. If Marvel did it, it would simply be for the fans, which in a perfect world...but this isn't a perfect world.

 

[Shikamaru]

Spider-Man is the only character Marvel has who is on the same level as Superman and Batman when it comes to popularity and iconic image. His last movie made half of what Avengers made and beat every other MCU film at the box office. It wouldn't be a surprise if they wanted him in an Avengers film down the line, especially if Justice League comes out anytime soon and especially if it we find out it comes out the same year as one of the Avengers movies.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I've said it before on these forums, but I'll be shocked if a deal isn't struck between Sony and Disney for Spidey to be apart of the MCU. Maybe not tomorrow, but in the next 5 year window. The relationship by all accounts is a good one between the studios, and its a no-brainer that the icon of Marvel would only enrich the MCU further. The Batman and Superman comparison is apt. Imagine a DC film universe without them? Who knows, if Sony makes a deal, perhaps Fox starts feeling the pressure of getting left behind and re-evalutes it's tactics in dealing with Marvel/Disney. At the very least I dare to dream..

I would want the properties to remain at Sony and Fox though, where they would be bigger priorities.

 

[weezerspider]

Spider-Man is the only character Marvel has who is on the same level as Superman and Batman when it comes to popularity and iconic image. His last movie made half of what Avengers made and beat every other MCU film at the box office. It wouldn't be a surprise if they wanted him in an Avengers film down the line, especially if Justice League comes out anytime soon and especially if it we find out it comes out the same year as one of the Avengers movies.

Yeah, but the point is, probably atleast 80-85% of the people that were apart of Spidey making half of The Avengers are going to be in those same theaters for Avengers regardless of Spidey's involvement. Again, it comes to money. If Sony offers him at a high cost, is it really worth it? Keep in mind, I'm talking about the very basic aspect of allowing cross-overs in The Avengers films only. I'm not talking about some sort of deal where Marvel has more creative control with all Spiderman films with his films being loosely tied to the MCU or, even less likely, getting Spiderman back all together. Both of those, IMO, are easily worth the money because of what you stated. Spidey is Marvel's biggest character. However, for involvement in a team film every 3 or 4 years, it depends on if Sony is going to rip them off or not.

 

[Shikamaru]

Yeah, but the point is, probably atleast 80-85% of the people that were apart of Spidey making half of The Avengers are going to be in those same theaters for Avengers regardless of Spidey's involvement. Again, it comes to money. If Sony offers him at a high cost, is it really worth it? Keep in mind, I'm talking about the very basic aspect of allowing cross-overs in The Avengers films only. I'm not talking about some sort of deal where Marvel has more creative control with all Spiderman films with his films being loosely tied to the MCU or, even less likely, getting Spiderman back all together. Both of those, IMO, are easily worth the money because of what you stated. Spidey is Marvel's biggest character. However, for involvement in a team film every 3 or 4 years, it depends on if Sony is going to rip them off or not.

That's what I am talking about as well - Spider-Man just appearing in an Avengers film while his solo films remain isolated from the rest of the MCU events even if they take place in the same universe.

I would say that it is financially worth it. Keep in mind the main two reasons why Avengers made so much money:

1) It was a concept that was never done before. We never saw so many iconic heroes coming together on the big screen. The fact that it was a new and never-seen-before thing is what got people interested. Future sequels may not have that advantage because we've now seen it done already.

2) It brought multiple fanbases together. Iron Man fans saw it, Thor fans saw it, Hulk fans saw it, etc. It was basically took 6 superheroes plus Nick Fury to bring in that amount of money. Spider-Man made half of that amount just by himself.

Also keep in mind that Justice League will probably be coming out in the new few years. If it comes out the same year as one of the Avengers films, Marvel may run into a bit of trouble since they have no members on the team that carry the same weight and iconic image that Batman, Superman, and the rest of the JL do. Spider-Man is essentially the only character they have that can rival them. Sure that Iron Man is now arguably the second biggest Marvel character, but can he handle facing off against Batman and Superman put together just by himself? That is on top of the possibility that RDJ may not even be around by then in the role and he is essentially the main reason why Iron Man is so big right now.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I would say that it is financially worth it. Keep in mind the main two reasons why Avengers made so much money:

1) It was a concept that was never done before. We never saw so many iconic heroes coming together on the big screen. The fact that it was a new and never-seen-before thing is what got people interested. Future sequels may not have that advantage because we've now seen it done already.

2) It brought multiple fanbases together. Iron Man fans saw it, Thor fans saw it, Hulk fans saw it, etc. It was basically took 6 superheroes plus Nick Fury to bring in that amount of money. Spider-Man made half of that amount just by himself..

This is true, but the one essential ingredient that made it a phenomenom in the end was how it connected with people, more specifically the GA. The novelty played a factor for sure, but the film had great legs through insane word of mouth. The reasons you mentioned can only really gaurantee the opening weekend numbers (maybe two weekends). Batman and Superman sounds great on paper, but if the film doesn't work or connect with an audience, most of them won't care anymore 30 minutes into the film. So luck is a big factor in terms of a films long term success. You can't bottle what the Avengers had...it's not based on scientific measurements born in a lab, but a series of planned and accidental/inspired moments. So while I think Spidey would definitely take it to an even higher, insane level in terms of potential - it doesn't gaurantee it will equal the long term success of the first Avengers film (even if it's great). What it does gaurantee is that on opening weekend they won't be able to build enough theaters to hold the bi*ch.

 

[Shikamaru]

This is true, but the oneessential ingredient that made it a phenomenom in the end was how it connected with people, more specifically the GA. The novelty played a factor for sure, but the film had great legs through insane word of mouth. The reasons you mentioned can only really gaurantee the opening weekend numbers (maybe two weekends). Batman and Superman sounds great on paper, but if the film doesn't work or connect with an audience, most of them won't care anymore 30 minutes into the film. So luck is a big factor in terms of a films long term success. You can't bottle what the Avengers had...it's not based on scientific measurements born in a lab, but a series of planned and accidental/inspired moments. So while I think Spidey would definitely take it to an even higher, insane level in terms of potential - it doesn't gaurantee it will equal the long term success of the first Avengers film (even if it's great). What it does gaurantee is that on opening weekend they won't be able to build enough theaters to hold the ******.

Of course that the movie needs to be good first and foremost before it makes that much money. However, I addressed that in my last post. The reason it made so much money was because 1) The idea was never done before and 2) They did a really good job with it. Each of these reasons wouldn't have worked at all without the other one being there. They had to work together. Everything I said was me going by the assumption that each said movie (either Avengers or Justice League) is good and connects with the audience to begin with.

Also, there is no such thing as guaranteed success. There is no way we can know 100% for sure how much future Avengers films will need or not need Spider-Man, or whether or not Justice League will be good and make a lot of money. However, we have to be realistic and determine the most probable outcomes by examining all the factors. Studios essentially do the same thing before they start production on big movies like The Avengers.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Of course that the movie needs to be good first and foremost before it makes that much money. However, I addressed that in my last post. The reason it made so much money was because 1) The idea was never done before and 2) They did a really good job with it. Each of these reasons wouldn't have worked at all without the other one being there. They had to work together. Everything I said was me going by the assumption that each said movie (either Avengers or Justice League) is good and connects with the audience to begin with.

Also, there is no such thing as guaranteed success. There is no way we can know 100% for sure how much future Avengers films will need or not need Spider-Man, or whether or not Justice League will be good and make a lot of money. However, we have to be realistic and determine the most probable outcomes by examining all the factors. Studios essentially do the same thing before they start production on big movies like The Avengers.

Good, so were in agreement then. The main thrust of my argument was basically the degree to which luck and timing are involved when it comes to these massive phenomenoms (which you touched on to some degree). Quality alone isn't enough. The Avengers just seemed to hit all the right notes for a lot of people, whatever the reason. Even if the Avengers 2 had Spidey and was twice the film that the first one was, it wouldn't gaurantee it equals it at the box office long term, putting inflation and expanded markets aside of course (see SM2, Empire Strikes Back, etc).

 

[weezerspider]

I hope Marvel agrees with you guys that its worth it, but I don't think its as cut and dry as you guys make it. In the end, I think you guys are right, but if I was in charge from a business standpoint, it wouldn't be a decision I'd take lightly.

 

[animex]

Spider-Man is the only character Marvel has who is on the same level as Superman and Batman when it comes to popularity and iconic image. His last movie made half of what Avengers made and beat every other MCU film at the box office. It wouldn't be a surprise if they wanted him in an Avengers film down the line, especially if Justice League comes out anytime soon and especially if it we find out it comes out the same year as one of the Avengers movies.

you are being far too kind to tasm, it made 262 mil and avengers made 623 mil, quite less than half, domestic grosses determine sequels, foreign grosses are padding and they do matter, but when you have a company spending millions and millions on advertising overseas, they NEED that money, the biggest difference between tasm2 and avengers 2, is the FACT that sony has no way of supporting a huge tasm2 marketing blitz without merchandising money, and disney is NOT going to flood the market with spidey toys when captain america 2 drops a month before tasm2, they would be hurting their own movie, granted disney gets merch money, but they want THEIR movie to succeed, not sonys. hell if i had to lose a thousand dollars that i never had to begin with to insure my competition lost 2 thousand, who wouldnt do it?

 

[psylockolussus]

Would anyone really care about a Fantastic Four/X-Men crossover though?.

I think there's potential for success there if they come up with a great story and they have a great director on board for the film and IF the Fantastic Four reboot became a success. And imagine if Magneto and Dr. Doom teamed up, who would stop those two, of course the X-Men and the Fantastic Four.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

you are being far too kind to tasm, it made 262 mil and avengers made 623 mil, quite less than half, domestic grosses determine sequels, foreign grosses are padding and they do matter, but when you have a company spending millions and millions on advertising overseas, they NEED that money, the biggest difference between tasm2 and avengers 2, is the FACT that sony has no way of supporting a huge tasm2 marketing blitz without merchandising money, and disney is NOT going to flood the market with spidey toys when captain america 2 drops a month before tasm2, they would be hurting their own movie, granted disney gets merch money, but they want THEIR movie to succeed, not sonys. hell if i had to lose a thousand dollars that i never had to begin with to insure my competition lost 2 thousand, who wouldnt do it?

You still never answered how you think Godzilla will make over a billion dollars.

 

[psylockolussus]

Godzilla would be lucky to gross more than $500 million dollars.

 

[SirAconite]

One can only hope. I am quite eager to see how a Marvel Civil War movie(s) would pan out.

 

[animex]

You still never answered how you think Godzilla will make over a billion dollars.

i never knew the question was asked, but here you go.....

Godzilla fans have always wanted one thing and one thing only: a WELL done big budget Godzilla movie, and sorry but that abortion of a film that master hack Emmerich made was not even close, hell, it wasn't even Godzilla. it was a big mutated ***** iguana. Godzilla doing 400-500 million domestically is NOT out of the question, and comparisons to King Kong are B.S. the Kong movie was a straight re-make with updated effects, Edwards movie will NOT re-tell the original story, it is going to be a fresh take. now overseas numbers could easily eclipse 600 million, if the movie is THAT good. Godzilla's popularity goes without saying. one google search will prove that and Godzilla has his own star in Hollywood and unless i'm mistaken he is the only NON-American fictional character to receive such an honor.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

Do you think anyone would give Spider-man away? I don't think so.

 

[Shikamaru]

you are being far too kind to tasm, it made 262 mil and avengers made 623 mil, quite less than half, domestic grosses determine sequels, foreign grosses are padding and they do matter, but when you have a company spending millions and millions on advertising overseas, they NEED that money, the biggest difference between tasm2 and avengers 2, is the FACT that sony has no way of supporting a huge tasm2 marketing blitz without merchandising money, and disney is NOT going to flood the market with spidey toys when captain america 2 drops a month before tasm2, they would be hurting their own movie, granted disney gets merch money, but they want THEIR movie to succeed, not sonys. hell if i had to lose a thousand dollars that i never had to begin with to insure my competition lost 2 thousand, who wouldnt do it?

TASM made $750 million worldwide, which is about half of what The Avengers made. Domestic money isn't that more important than foreign money. A studio spends lots of money on advertisement over here in NA too, sometimes even more than they do overseas. There have also been cases where movies bombed in the US but the studios were saved financially due to money from overseas. There are also places overseas that don't require any more advertisement than in the US. For example, Spider-Man is almost or just as big in Japan as he is over here. But for the sake of argument though, let's assume that that is true. Even then, 623 divided by 262 is about 2.4, which is still almost about half of what The Avengers did. That is still quite impressive. You also have to consider that TASM had a handicap while TA didn't. TASM had to carry the burden of being a reboot, of being the first Spider-Man film after one that left a bad taste in people's mouths not too that long ago, as well as the burden of coming out in the same summer as 2 movies that have been hyped for a long time and have been part of an already established franchise (Avengers and TDKR). When you consider those factors working against TASM, the amount it did is even more impressive. Look at how much the average Spider-Man movie makes when it doesn't have those factors there (TASM 2 will probably do more as well).

Technically, there isn't that huge of a competition between Marvel and Sony. Both studios have came out and said that they have a good relationship. Second, money used for marketing is often an expense. It is money that studios invest to promote the movie in hope that the movie and its related products do well (box office, DVD sales, any movie related merchandise, etc.). Third, Marvel makes a good amount of money from the merchandising as well. It wouldn't be a smart move for them either to hinder Spider-Man merchandise which leads to hindering Spider-Man money in favor of Captain America money. Fourth, Marvel handles the Spider-Man advertising just as much as Sony does and as proven by the advertising from last year, they made sure to advertise the crap out of the film to the point where it almost spoiled the whole film for us much like how they pull the same BS every year with whatever MCU movie they make. Heck, the fact that TASM came out the same summer as Marvel's biggest crown jewel (The Avengers) didn't really seem to stop them from bombarding us with advertisement left and right.