The Last Jedi Star Wars: The Last Jedi Hypesters Review Thread [TAG SPOILERS!]

[BatLobster]

Yeah, I got nothin' on that one haha. It's a really awesome moment. And the Star Wars saga as a whole is riddled with plot holes, so it is what it is.

 

[Smilodon]

Loved the film, easily in the top 3 of all Star Wars films ever made. I applaud Rian Johnson for making being bold enough to make certain creative decisions and subvert a lot of fan expectation.

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In regards Rian mischaracterizing certain characters, I don't really agree. I think it's very much in line with ESB with how these characters are separated from each other and really forced to grow. Only in ways we aren't typically used to. Poe is deprived of catharsis, Finn's fear is doubled down and forced to learn another lesson from someone braver than him, and Rey...I think she may have the best arc out of everyone in Star Wars besides Luke Skywalker himself in the OT.

I won't say a lot because I feel like the discourse around this film has been beaten into submission already because that's just the nature of the pop culture regeneration cycle these days. But the one thing I will say is that how I love this truly feels like a movie about Rey and Luke first and foremost. I think the movie delivered on the promise of TFA with regards to their relationship, only in ways we wouldn't expect. (Or not, I can think of countless gruff, elderly sages who reject the pupils that appear on their doorstep because of certain shortcomings in their past. I actually wish that prank that Luke pulled on Rey in the film made the final cut, I really like antagonistic master-pupil relationships.)

Rian also probably gave Mark Hamill the role of his life playing this new version of Luke Skywalker. (I mean, besides being Luke in the OT) Like Logan, I appreciate seeing these heroes and legends at their rock bottom, though in the case of Luke he went out after the greatest display of The Force in these films. Hell, even in the cartoons.

The fundamental demystification of the entire Skywalker lineage is I think what makes this film really work on an emotional level for me. Luke is a failed master (at least until the end), Leia and Han are failed parents, and the right to dictate how the Force, the Jedi and how anything operate should not be solely theirs. It's what makes the revelation about Rey's parentage all the more affecting, and fits in thematically with characters like Finn, Rose and Paige. There is no Chosen One. Rey must carve out her own place in the universe and the rest of characters of the new trilogy cannot rely on a Skywalker to help them.

9/10

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Not gonna type it all up when you all can hear my dulcet tones. Here is my podcast's THE LAST JEDI SPOILER REVIEW DISCUSSION.

http://www.tobecontinuedafanboypodcast.com/blog/

It's a long one so feel free to listen to it in chunks.

 

[Leenie]

What's interesting to me is....until this movie....I have never heard any fans ask the question. It's like it never occurred to ANYONE in 40 years until now....and now some are using it as something to complain about.

It's being put into question because it finally happened.

It didn't happen in the previous movies because the good guys found a way out and didn't need to do it. Simple as that.

The moment in of itself looked cool; don't get me wrong. I just think that everything leading up to it was stupid, and the heroic sacrifice was wasted on an annoying character. Just my two cents.

 

[Legendver2]

What's interesting to me is....until this movie....I have never heard any fans ask the question. It's like it never occurred to ANYONE in 40 years until now....and now some are using it as something to complain about.

No one ever asked because they had no reason to. It wasn't established it was possible, so it was assumed it's not until this film. I don't see anything wrong with questioning it now.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Let's remember it was also a surprise kamikaze attack at close range.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

This is supposed to be the chapter that really makes you care about the characters so you care about where they end up for in Episode IX and he completely messed that up. It's amazingly misguided. Empire ended with Luke scared/shocked out of his mind (and losing a body part) about the main villain being his dad and Leia scared/sad for the fate of Han Solo. The Last Jedi is underwhelming. Those were two huge emotional character hooks going into Episode VI. TLJ didn't have to copy but it sure AF had to do something which the movie didn't.

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Broom boy ain't gonna get it done. That scene came across like a post-credits scene pasted to the end of the proper movie.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

"I care..."

 

[Orba]

Meh, I would chalk that up to the fact that the Death Star(s) are far too large to take down like that.

MY question about that moment, though, is this: Why wasn't that done before to another Star Destroyer?

In fact, why wasn't it done before AND why can you just leave a droid to pilot the ship so that no actual rebels die in the process?

The simplest answer would seem to be that the only way such a maneuver would be effective would be if you used a really big ship, which would be far from cost effective. Also if a ship hitting at close lightspeed could have destroyed something the size of the Deathstar apart there would not have been a need for a Deathstar.

In the ROTS cross section book it mentions a story about a republic ship being damaged during the Clone Wars which caused its hyperdrive to malfunction sending it straight into a planet, shattering it right to its core. But I think we can consider it non-canon since as I mentioned if it did that much damage to a planet then the 20 years that were spent (and no doubt insane amounts of credits) were really not necessary. There is also the fact at at any time across the galaxy there would be hundreds of thousands of ships constantly popping in and out of hyperspace, even if the failure rates of hyperdrives is absolutely tiny you would have to think that ships crash into planets pretty often.

 

[titansupes]

This wasn't in the movie, right?

 

[AlluAllu]

I saw it for the second time. Issues are there, but I also loved nearly every minute of it. Something about the story just works for me and the characters were great. Luke's last stand is now one of my favorite SW moments. 8/10.

 

[Mjölnir]

What's interesting to me is....until this movie....I have never heard any fans ask the question. It's like it never occurred to ANYONE in 40 years until now....and now some are using it as something to complain about.

It's not a big complaint for me, just something I've noticed. Until it happened there was no reason to complain because we don't know what actually would happen (do hyperspace travelling ships even take up the same space as everything else? we didn't know, and in TFA they could just pass through a shield using hyperspace travel) and it was consistent in that it was never made a factor.

Now we saw that it was extremely effective, which would probably be obvious to anyone that understands hyperspace drives (meaning people in the fictional world).

As said, it's hardly one of the big issues with the film but the discussion about it makes perfect logical sense.

 

[Wise]

The simplest answer would seem to be that the only way such a maneuver would be effective would be if you used a really big ship, which would be far from cost effective. Also if a ship hitting at close lightspeed could have destroyed something the size of the Deathstar apart there would not have been a need for a Deathstar.

In the ROTS cross section book it mentions a story about a republic ship being damaged during the Clone Wars which caused its hyperdrive to malfunction sending it straight into a planet, shattering it right to its core. But I think we can consider it non-canon since as I mentioned if it did that much damage to a planet then the 20 years that were spent (and no doubt insane amounts of credits) were really not necessary. There is also the fact at at any time across the galaxy there would be hundreds of thousands of ships constantly popping in and out of hyperspace, even if the failure rates of hyperdrives is absolutely tiny you would have to think that ships crash into planets pretty often.

They could always fit engines and a hyperdrive to a large asteroid.

 

[Orba]

As I understand it hyperspace is another dimension/reality that ships have to be at lightspeed to enter. Hyperspace is separate from from normal space so most things in normal space have no effect on a ship in hyperspace. The only exception so far is that the gravity well produced by planets, stars and black holes casts a shadow that can pull ships out of hyperspace if they get too close. The navigation systems on ships are therefore designed to steer them clear of those sorts of hazards to avoid them from being dropped inside the event horizon of a blackhole or 2 seconds from the surface of a planet.

 

[Wise]

What's interesting to me is....until this movie....I have never heard any fans ask the question. It's like it never occurred to ANYONE in 40 years until now....and now some are using it as something to complain about.

That's because it was never established in a film until Force Awakens that an object traveling at lightspeed could go through shields.

 

[DyeLorean]

I, for one, am happy that it introduces new stuff for us to talk about. Like the director said, each new installment of the original trilogy introduced something new that was previously unheard of. As much as I like The Force Awakens, this one dared to try new things. Even it if fails, I always applaud some sort of innovation.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I must admit, the more I think about the parts I disliked, the more I dislike them. I will see the movie again before giving a final rating, 7/10 would be it for now.

It's certainly not a bad movie, but I think Ego is the reason we got some decisions we did.

 

[P Supreme]

seen it again after reading some of the comments here explaining why it worked for some of you I tried to see it through those lenses and man I tried, the luke thing just grinds at me fellas I wanted to see that character back on the screen since the prequels came out [I always believed they would do episodes 7 - 9] I just turned 39 this month so I guess I'm that guy now

"back in my day things were better" and that sucks lol

The snoke thing didn't bother me the second time around I saw it as a stepping stone for Kylo as some of you suggested
hated the casino sequence even more the second time around

he is the only interesting character IMO

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

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Saw it last night, and I still hold the opinion that the Disney Star Wars films are just as egregious as that prequels, but for completely different reasons. I will never accept a version of Luke Skywalker that would consider killing a sleeping child acceptable.

6/10

 

[P Supreme]

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Saw it last night, and I still hold the opinion that the Disney Star Wars films are just as egregious as that prequels, but for completely different reasons. I will never accept a version of Luke Skywalker that would consider killing a sleeping child acceptable.

6/10

Yep totally agree no way can I accept that scenario no matter how many times you explain it

 

[DeadPresident]

Seeing the responses classing this as a masterpiece and truly in the spirit of SW makes me feel like I've crossed into the twilight zone.

The same man that wouldn't kill his father, the biggest threat to the galaxy, would kill his nephew who isn't as powerful? And people can find a way of playing that off and framing it as true to the character? I'm astounded in all honesty.

The tonal shifts and the least subtle class warfare/sociopolitical commentary I've ever seen personally feel like the biggest issues to me.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

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Saw it last night, and I still hold the opinion that the Disney Star Wars films are just as egregious as that prequels, but for completely different reasons. I will never accept a version of Luke Skywalker that would consider killing a sleeping child acceptable.

6/10

Funny enough... Neither could he in universe. That's a big part of the story and character arc. The flip side is... He was right the first time. Jedi are not now, nor have they ever been saints. Rey's lessons encompass that idea.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Funny enough... Neither could he in universe. That's a big part of the story and character arc. The flip side is... He was right the first time. Jedi are not now, nor have they ever been saints. Rey's lessons encompass that idea.

It shouldn't have been handled that way. Period. Luke could have came to those conclusions another way. I don't particularly give a **** about their lame attempts to justify it narratively.

 

[Greens]

This wasn't in the movie, right?

The shot of her running with the saber isn't in it, either.

 

[karmajack]

It shouldn't have been handled that way. Period. Luke could have could have came to those conclusions another way. I don't particularly give a **** about their lame attempts to justify it narratively.

I agree with this.

Interestingly enough, I just read an interview with Hamill who says he had to justify the performance to himself by claiming he played another character named "Jake Skywalker."

"...If Luke had a problem, he would maybe take a year to try and regroup, but if he made a mistake, he would try to right that wrong, so right there, we had a fundamental difference. I almost had to think of Luke as another character. Maybe he's 'Jake Skywalker,' he's not my Luke Skywalker. But I had to do what Rian wanted me to do because it serves Rian's story. " -Mark Hamill