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This is a continuation thread, the old thread is [split]388317[/split]
See, for me, I think ASM is the best Spidey movie, but SM2 is the best movie. Watching the films and turning my Spidey-fan brain off, I realize that SM2 is the most complete film out of all of them. However, I just really didn't enjoy the characterization of Raimi's Peter Parker/Spider-man. So it wasn't my favorite Spidey film.
I think you've pretty much said what I (and a lot of other people, apparently) have been thinking for awhile, but couldn't pinpoint exactly -- I knew I LIKED TASM best and that it felt the most right to me (though it is obviously not without its flaws, and quite a few of them), but thought SM2 was a better film as far as being more cohesive, grander in scale, handling multiple themes and character arcs, etc. But yeah, I wasn't too fond of quite a few characterizations in it save for JJJ and Harry, I think. And while I still think Ock was the best movie villain if I look at the whole package and don't think about the comics, when I do think of the comics, it kind of bugs me that he was pretty much the Lizard with Ock's power set. I say that as someone who's a fan of both in the comics, btw.
Silk Trap, Car Theif and High School Fight are TREMEDOUS scenes.
Stan Lee's cameo
I'm sure they are going to be iconic.
Something has to be iconic when the movie as a whole won't be
How is it trolling? This film is no Spider-Man 2. This film is no The Dark Knight.
Show me anywhere where TAS-M has been hailed as the greatest CBM? If it never got that title, how in the world would it ever be iconic? ESPECIALLY when it deals with an origin that another film dealt with years ago that actually became iconic for the kind of trend it started.
How is it trolling? This film is no Spider-Man 2. This film is no The Dark Knight.
Show me anywhere where TAS-M has been hailed as the greatest CBM? If it never got that title, how in the world would it ever be iconic? ESPECIALLY when it deals with an origin that another film dealt with years ago that actually became iconic for the kind of trend it started.
ok, is not hailed as one of the best CBM and is not an iconic movie because someone did that before ...but the "iconic" movies that you say are sequels
and how is "The Dark knight" iconic?, just curiosity
true...We may be getting into semantics here, but I consider a film iconic if it's had a major impact on pop culture, and has scenes/lines that people will quote for years afterwards.
The "I think we're going to need a bigger boat" in Jaws.
The T-Rex escaping in Jurassic Park,
Indy shooting the swordsman in Raiders, etc.
I'd categoraize TDK in the "iconic" category, because Ledger's Joker has become iconic, along with his catchphrases "Wanna know how I got these scars?" Or "Why so serious" and (at least I think) will continue to be remembered for many years. That categorizes it as an iconic movie for me.
true...
i agree with most of what you saidWell I think Infinity answered the question on how TDK is considered iconic. Let alone, it's memorized as a CBM that literally changed things and this isn't a pun from one of Joker's lines as it's clearly the truth. Nolan's entire trilogy will be memorable, but out of those three films, it'll be The Dark Knight that is known as a very iconic film in the lines of Spider-Man 2, Superman: The Movie. And in regards to a film that started something, no other Spider-Man film period will be as iconic as the '02 film for really pushing the trend of all CBMs for the 21st century. I don't see anywhere where The Amazing Spider-Man will be known as very iconic or a film that started something as Superman: The Movie, Spider-Man, Batman Begins.
TDK didn't really have any influence on comic book movies that came after. Name me one superhero flick that is like TDK since 2008 (TDKR not withstanding, obviously)? If anything, Batman Begins is the influential one, as the likes of Favreau, Gavin Hood (Wolverine director), and Marc Webb has name dropped it as influences. Begins also had an impact on Hollywood at large being the first successful reboot which now allows Hollywood to be very reboot happy. The only film that has been cited by its filmmakers as being influenced by TDK is Skyfall, which is not even a comic book film. JJ Abrams also cites TDK as an influence for his Star Trek sequel, which has yet to come out, and once again, isn't a comic book film.
Hmmm, there's nothing iconic about TDK. Pulp Fiction, that's iconic. There's nothing iconic about Joker(don't confuse the fact because a beloved actor died); Jules, that's iconic.
I think people are using the term very loosely. A number of actors could easyly pull off Joker...none could pull off Jules.
What else? Lol. Crossing the lines in making a CBM feel more than just a CBM. By having more philosophical elements in a superhero film that was received very well and doing a better job at it then even Singer's X-Men films. I don't know how you can say TDK didn't change things with the genre as a whole.