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The Official 2008 SuperHeroHype.com Presidential Election!

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My next question to the canidates: Immigration, fences, visas, illegals and greencards; where do you stand?
 
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My next question to the canidates: Immigration, fences, visas, illegals and greencards; where do you stand?

Work with Mexico to make it easier to legally get here. Illegal aliens with familes here are given a temporary visa and are put into a 2 year program to work towards green card which follows their development, helps them get a job, and become an active member fo America.

I believe anybody who wishes to come here has a right to do that, and they can stay as long their a contributing member of society.
 
Work with Mexico to make it easier to legally get here. Illegal aliens with familes here are given a temporary visa and are put into a 2 year program to work towards green card which follows their development, helps them get a job, and become an active member fo America.

I believe anybody who wishes to come here has a right to do that, and they can stay as long their a contributing member of society.

So you advocate an open door policy?
 
Work with Mexico to make it easier to legally get here. Illegal aliens with familes here are given a temporary visa and are put into a 2 year program to work towards green card which follows their development, helps them get a job, and become an active member fo America.

I believe anybody who wishes to come here has a right to do that, and they can stay as long their a contributing member of society.

and the illegals currently here? Do you advocate the fence stand (either electronic or physical)?
 
So you advocate an open door policy?

Pretty much. Obviously not just ANYBODY can come here-a more specific answer in my opinion is everybody has a right come here as long as they meet the limited requirements just make sure they are not known fugatives or terrorists or what have you.

and the illegals currently here? Do you advocate the fence stand (either electronic or physical)?

I would say I do support a physical fence and would defiently increase security around the borders. It shouldnt be that hard to come here legally and if you cannt, there would be a very good reason.
 
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My next question to the canidates: Immigration, fences, visas, illegals and greencards; where do you stand?

I support the creation of a guest worker program which would allow undocumented workers a chance to work in the United States, while also working towards citizenship. This program would help prospective Americans find employment in the United States, under the condition that they apply for U.S. citizenship and learn English. These prospective Americans will have two years to become United States citizens. If they fail to become U.S. citizens, then they will have to return to their home country, where they will have to wait two years to re-enter the guest worker program.

This guest worker program would help prospective Americans pay for their citizenship expenses. It would also enter each applicant's name into a government database, providing an electronic record of their enrollment in the program. It will also provide them with photo identification and, if applicable, a specialized driver's license.

As for undocumented workers currently in the United States, I plan to crack down on businesses which hire undocumented workers. Businesses will operate under a three strikes rule. The first two strikes will consist of fines, whereas the third strike could result in the temporary shutdown of such businesses. Additionally, I will work to round up undocumented workers currently in the United States and offer them a choice: They can either enroll in the guest worker program and seek United States citizenship, or they can return to their home country.

Undocumented workers with children born in the United States will be given amnesty, as the 14th Amendment to the Constitution says that any child born on American soil is an American citizen. I do not believe it is right to separate parents from their children, and I believe it is unconstitutional to deport children who were born in this country. There is no fair way to approach this situation, and while amnesty is not the most desirable solution, it is the only humane solution to this problem.

I am against the creation of a border fence. I believe it is a monumental waste of money, time and resources, considering undocumented workers will find ways to get into this country, regardless of whether a fence is erected. I do, however, support a "virtual fence," which would consist of motion sensors, infrared scanners and cameras to notify border patrol agents of suspicious activity along the border.
 
To the Republican canidates could you please tell me what you plan to do about the Immigration issue. ?

For me Immigration is first and foremost a National Security issue, not an economic one.

I would continue and finish the wall on the boarder of Mexico - and then begin with Canada.

While I would like to have the ability to remove all illegals currently living in America - I recognize this is foolish and impossible. I would instead do this:

All illegals currently in this country must apply for a temporary residence card. Registration would be available for the six months and will not apply to illegal immigrants that cross into this country after that time. This program would provide an ID card, an ID number and grant legal status in this country for a period of five years. After five years of this, they can then apply for immediate citizenship with completion of the US Citizenship test.

During this five year period, if an illegal immigrant commits a felony - they are deported. If an illegal immigrant fails to register in the first six months and gets caught by a government official (for speeding, for misdemeanor, anything) they are deported.

Any Businesses caught hiring undocumented illegal immigrants after this program is initiated will be fined $250,000 per illegal immigrant.

We must also pressure the Mexican government and prevent their aid of illegal immigration into America.
 
My solution to illegal immigration:

We announce that that we are granting all illegals amnesty and citizenship, when they come to get their green cards, we arrest and deport them. :hehe: :cwink:
 
So you advocate an open door policy?

Pretty much. Obviously not just ANYBODY can come here-a more specific answer in my opinion is everybody has a right come here as long as they meet the limited requirements just make sure they are not known fugatives or terrorists or what have you.

I would say I do support a physical fence and would defiently increase security around the borders. It shouldnt be that hard to come here legally and if you cannt, there would be a very good reason.

One issue that is very important to me, and that I am pretty conservative on, is the issue of immigration. I do not advocate an "open door" policy. We have largely had an "open door" policy over the course of the last couple of decades and it has resulted in the mess that we have come to find ourselves in. We are a nation of immigrants. No one can dispute that. That being said, we are also a nation of laws. I do not believe that anyone in this country takes issue with the concept of immigration when it is done legally and lawfully. The problem lies in illegal immigration. What do you propose to do about the illegals that are already here?
 
One issue that is very important to me, and that I am pretty conservative on, is the issue of immigration. I do not advocate an "open door" policy. We have largely had an "open door" policy over the course of the last couple of decades and it has resulted in the mess that we have come to find ourselves in. We are a nation of immigrants. No one can dispute that. That being said, we are also a nation of laws. I do not believe that anyone in this country takes issue with the concept of immigration when it is done legally and lawfully. The problem lies in illegal immigration. What do you propose to do about the illegals that are already here?
:up: great question
 
Work with Mexico to make it easier to legally get here. Illegal aliens with familes here are given a temporary visa and are put into a 2 year program to work towards green card which follows their development, helps them get a job, and become an active member fo America.

I believe anybody who wishes to come here has a right to do that, and they can stay as long their a contributing member of society.

Which brings me to the question of why you believe that the United States should work with Mexico to make legal entry into the United States easier? Why do you believe that another country should have a say in how we conduct entry into our country?

And while I am not exactly opposed to a guest worker program...how do you propose to enforce the time limits on temporary visas? As it stands right now with work authorization cards in the United States, there is nothing that happens at the end of the time limit. The card expires, and the alien is only expected to return to their home country. To my knowledge, there is nothing in place that actually monitors the process.
 
What we first must realize is that there is no ideal, perfect fix for th emess we arein.

Which brings me to the question of why you believe that the United States should work with Mexico to make legal entry into the United States easier?

Because the people are coming from Mexico, thats why. By work with Mexico, I mean get us both on the same page. I would want to know about the perople lives in Mexico, and I would want Mexico to help keep their people from coming into out states illegally. It would be best in general to be good friends with out neighbors from the south; we would have to establish a healthy working relationship.

And while I am not exactly opposed to a guest worker program...how do you propose to enforce the time limits on temporary visas? As it stands right now with work authorization cards in the United States, there is nothing that happens at the end of the time limit. The card expires, and the alien is only expected to return to their home country. To my knowledge, there is nothing in place that actually monitors the process.

Well with me, there would be something defiently in place. Kind of like probation, I guess you could say. It would be a monthly or bi-monthly check in with the person. If the person with a tempoary visa is not doing what they were expected to do (work, stay out of trouble, live life), they have to leave. There are no doubt others who want to come here to work, and I'd let them instead.

One issue that is very important to me, and that I am pretty conservative on, is the issue of immigration. I do not advocate an "open door" policy. We have largely had an "open door" policy over the course of the last couple of decades and it has resulted in the mess that we have come to find ourselves in. We are a nation of immigrants. No one can dispute that. That being said, we are also a nation of laws. I do not believe that anyone in this country takes issue with the concept of immigration when it is done legally and lawfully. The problem lies in illegal immigration. What do you propose to do about the illegals that are already here?

Illegal that are caught will be detained and their American lives reviewed. If they have been working, or have a family, and have stayed out of trouble, they can stay but will go to the back of the line for a green card and will be granted a temporary visa. If they have caused trouble or have been lazy and dont have any sort of family, they will be returned to where they came from. However, this could create the problem of coming here, starting a family, and living off the government which I wont do. Staying here would require work and if its not met, the family would be sent back together.

But again this all begins with much stricter border security which I would want to be a joint effort between the U.S. and Mexico.
 
Illegal immigrants are coming from other countries besides Mexico... do you propose we work with every single government to develop our immigration policy?

Not to mention, Mexico is one of our foremost allies, so I don't understand why we have to work on a relationship which is already pretty solid as it is...
 
I know we have one; Marx asked why we should talk to them and my basic answer was "why not?" we're buds and the people were talking about are coming from there.

No, it shouldnt be a requirement to talk with EVERY country as long as we get our standard backround checks. Our immigration policy is just that: OURS. I just think Mexico would be an exception because theyre so close, so many are coming from there, and we are friends with them.
 
I know we have one; Marx asked why we should talk to them and my basic answer was "why not?" we're buds and the people were talking about are coming from there.

No, it shouldnt be a requirement to talk with EVERY country as long as we get our standard backround checks. Our immigration policy is just that: OURS. I just think Mexico would be an exception because theyre so close, so many are coming from there, and we are friends with them.

Do you know what happens to immigrants when they enter Mexico illegally? They end up either in prison or deported. Hundreds of thousands of people from Central America enter Mexico illegally each year, and most of them are deported. If Mexico has such a strict immigration policy, then why should the United States be looked down upon if it does the same?
 
What we first must realize is that there is no ideal, perfect fix for th emess we arein.

I agree, which is why I respect the fact that you are tackling this incredibly important issue. Please be aware, that I am not trying to intentionally undermine your immigration policy or blow holes through it, it's just that I am very familiar with the processes of immigration and I know how it works.

Because the people are coming from Mexico, thats why. By work with Mexico, I mean get us both on the same page. I would want to know about the perople lives in Mexico, and I would want Mexico to help keep their people from coming into out states illegally. It would be best in general to be good friends with out neighbors from the south; we would have to establish a healthy working relationship.

People immigrate from all over the world into the United States, legally and illegally. You are basically saying that you want a form of Mexican national representation in our government system in an attempt to coordinate immigration policy. That to me, is ridiculous. While I understand your rationale, the point remains that these are people immigrating into our country. Mexican law ends at the border of the United States. And as such, there should be no Mexican influence on our immigration policies. It is one thing to have a good standing relationship with our neighbors, it's quite another to allow an outside country influence into our nation's policies. Are you also suggesting that we work with every nation around the world in the way you are suggesting we work with Mexico?

Well with me, there would be something defiently in place. Kind of like probation, I guess you could say. It would be a monthly or bi-monthly check in with the person. If the person with a tempoary visa is not doing what they were expected to do (work, stay out of trouble, live life), they have to leave. There are no doubt others who want to come here to work, and I'd let them instead.

There is already a similar system in place. Conditional residency is a matter of 2 years, work authorizations are usually in place for one year. At the end of those respective time periods, aliens are expected to take the next step - whether it would be to apply for an application to extend the process (in the cases of work authorizations,) apply to remove the conditional status from green cards, or leave the country. The point is, is that there is nothing in place (unless they are arrested for some kind of crime) to ensure that they actually do leave the country if they are requested to do so.

Illegal that are caught will be detained and their American lives reviewed. If they have been working, or have a family, and have stayed out of trouble, they can stay but will go to the back of the line for a green card and will be granted a temporary visa. If they have caused trouble or have been lazy and dont have any sort of family, they will be returned to where they came from. However, this could create the problem of coming here, starting a family, and living off the government which I wont do. Staying here would require work and if its not met, the family would be sent back together.

In alot of cases, the children in these families are born on american soil - granting them automatic citizenship. So if you are suggesting that the entire family be sent back together - are you suggesting that you would redefine what constitutes a "natural born citizen?" Not to mention, that there are a significant number of illegals who come here and marry american citizens to start a family.

But again this all begins with much stricter border security which I would want to be a joint effort between the U.S. and Mexico.

I agree that it begins at the border. I just firmly disagree with the notion that their should be any kind of Mexican influence over American immigration policy.
 
To the Republican canidates could you please tell me what you plan to do about the Immigration issue. ?

Good drug statements all. Suprised by the amount of hemp love from both parties.



My next question to the canidates: Immigration, fences, visas, illegals and greencards; where do you stand?

I am opposed to building a fence along the United States/Mexico border. Originally I supported such a thing, but over time it came to my head that it is a waste of money and if we built a fence along Mexico's border, we'd have apply the same standards to Canada and do the same along with that. Instead of building a fence, we should build the virtual fence that has been proposed in the past along with having a much larger Border Patrol and a larger National Guard force deployed.

I will not tolerate vigilante groups like the Minutemen patrolling the border. If they want to help take part in curbing illegal immigration, they can do it the legitimate way by joining the Border Patrol.

As for illegal immigration itself, the problem doesn't lie with the immigrants. The reason why they come here is the very same reason why my ancestors have come here from Western Europe hundreds of years ago and the very same reason why immigrants from the late 1800's came here. They come here for oppourtunity and employment not offered by their home countries. In order to curb illegal immigration we need to take two steps:

1. We need to come down harder on employers who knowingly and willingly hire illegal immigrants. This is the main source of why immigrants come here illegally. We need to impose stricter punishments on those who hire illegal immigrants and do a better job on finding those who hire them. I also propose in creating a database in which an employee must give their Social Security number to their employer (which most do already) and the employer will type that Social Security number into the database to see if it is a valid form of ID.

2. We need to make it easier for people to migrate to the United States. We need to do a better job in promoting legal immigration, guest worker programs, etc. We need to ease up on some of the restrictions that are placed upon them from being here legally. My two major requirements for a person to become a naturalized citizen of the United States will be that they have a relatively clean criminal record and they must know how to speak English so they can be productive members of American society. As President, I too will create a guest worker program very similar to what Mr. J. Man Spice has proposed. I will make this program very accessable to those who want to come to this country. With the illegal immigrants who are already in the country, this program will be just as accessable to them as well. They will have one year to apply to this program or face deportation.

On a side note, I will also support a Constitutional amendment that makes English the official language of the United States.

Let's face it, we can't just deport every single illegal immigrant out there. There are far too many of them and our economy is dependent on them to where if we did manage to kick them all out, it would be devastated. We need to take the illegal immigration debate to a realistic solution. Not having a silly one like letting them all come in or booting them all out of the country.
 
On a side note, I will also support a Constitutional amendment that makes English the official language of the United States.

Also agreed; this is actually one of the few things that annoys me greatly.

I agree, which is why I respect the fact that you are tackling this incredibly important issue. Please be aware, that I am not trying to intentionally undermine your immigration policy or blow wholes through it, it's just that I am very familiar with the processes of immigration and I know how it works.

Its all good :up:

People immigrate from all over the world into the United States, legally and illegally. You are basically saying that you want a form of Mexican national representation in our government system in an attempt to coordinate immigration policy. That to me, is ridiculous. While I understand your rationale, the point remains that these are people immigrating into our country. Mexican law ends at the border of the United States. And as such, there should be no Mexican influence on our immigration policies. It is one thing to have a good standing relationship with our neighbors, it's quite another to allow an outside country influence into our nation's policies. Are you also suggesting that we work with every nation around the world in the way you are suggesting we work with Mexico?

:hehe:

In noway do I mean that. Mexicos role in our immigration policy would be 3 things

-help along the border
-help when detained illegals are sent back (if they are)
-help with backround checks for people trying to enter legally.

Thats about it.

There is already a similar system in place. Conditional residency is a matter of 2 years, work authorizations are usually in place for one year. At the end of those respective time periods, aliens are expected to take the next step - whether it would be to apply for an application to extend the process (in the cases of work authorizations,) apply to remove the conditional status from green cards, or leave the country. The point is, is that there is nothing in place (unless they are arrested for some kind of crime) to ensure that they actually do leave the country if they are requested to do so.

The system I would do would end it's bimonthly check ups after 2 years and require meetinge every six months until the person becomes a U.S. citizen.

In alot of cases, the children in these families are born on american soil - granting them automatic citizenship. So if you are suggesting that the entire family be sent back together - are you suggesting that you would redefine what constitutes a "natural born citizen?" Not to mention, that there are a significant number of illegals who come here and marry american citizens to start a family.

Than it's the parents call. The child has a right to be here and a right to be with his family. If they wanted to put him in a group home or with friends/family here till they can legally comeback that would be an option, or they could take him with them and he would be free to come back on his house whenever he wishes as long as he had identification.

Do you know what happens to immigrants when they enter Mexico illegally? They end up either in prison or deported. Hundreds of thousands of people from Central America enter Mexico illegally each year, and most of them are deported. If Mexico has such a strict immigration policy, then why should the United States be looked down upon if it does the same

Because we are better than that. We should hold ourselves to a higher standard. We should be the example every country wants to be like. Comparing us with other countries doesnt make sense to me because we should be better than all of them. Just because one country does that does mean it is ok for us to do it; I think it means its our job to show them the way to do it.

You preached the American Dream is dying and that it is sad; I would assume you would agree when I say I want America to be the land of oppritunity for EVERYBODY, and while I will take any nessecary precuations to keep us safe, I will work harder for people get IN to the U.S. than get them sent OUT, thats just the way I see it.

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Because we are better than that. We should hold ourselves to a higher standard. We should be the example every country wants to be like. Comparing us with other countries doesnt make sense to me because we should be better than all of them. Just because one country does that does mean it is ok for us to do it; I think it means its our job to show them the way to do it.

You preached the American Dream is dying and that it is sad; I would assume you would agree when I say I want America to be the land of oppritunity for EVERYBODY, and while I will take any nessecary precuations to keep us safe, I will work harder for people get IN to the U.S. than get them sent OUT, thats just the way I see it.

So, basically, we should just let other countries break our laws so they'll like us? :huh:

While I agree that America is the land of opportunity, this is also a land of laws. We must screen prospective Americans, we need to have a record of them, or else our safety and security could be put in risk. We should do whatever we can to help prospective Americans obtain citizenship, but we cannot give everyone a free pass.
 
So, basically, we should just let other countries break our laws so they'll like us? :huh:

How the hell did you get that out of what i said? America wont ever be some dumping zone for the worlds worst-as I already said, there would be background checks and those who didnt fit the bill wont be allowed.

Its just time for us to start living up to name as the land of opportunity again, not just for immigrants coming here but for our own people. If people want to come here and be good citizens and work hard, and have no real criminal record, they have a right to do that, imo. But again, they MUST pass the standard backround checks upon reaching the boarders or else they'll be denied.

While I agree that America is the land of opportunity, this is also a land of laws. We must screen prospective Americans, we need to have a record of them, or else our safety and security could be put in risk. We should do whatever we can to help prospective Americans obtain citizenship, but we cannot give everyone a free pass.

Agreed, which i have said. We need to make sure we are not letting would be terrorists, murders, or overall detriments to society in.

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How the hell did you get that out of what i said? America wont ever be some dumping zone for the worlds worst-as I already said, there would be background checks and those who didnt fit the bill wont be allowed.

Its just time for us to start living up to name as the land of opportunity again, not just for immigrants coming here but for our own people. If people want to come here and be good citizens and work hard, and have no real criminal record, they have a right to do that, imo. But again, they MUST pass the standard backround checks upon reaching the boarders or else they'll be denied.

Why shouldn't they earn their citizenship? How do we know that someone with a squeaky clean record isn't going to turn out to be a threat to our security? Why should they get a free pass, just because they want to come here?

We have to provide an easy path to citizenship, but we cannot have an open door policy.
 
Why shouldn't they earn their citizenship?

They do. They get a temporary greencard until theyve earned their citizenship :up:.

How do we know that someone with a squeaky clean record isn't going to turn out to be a threat to our security?

Bimonthly checkups on what they are up to.

Why should they get a free pass, just because they want to come here?

There are no such free passes. Theyll have to pass round checks to get in and work hard to stay.

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