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Haha, got to see more of these.
Haha, got to see more of these.
Why? So he can turn Thanos into a joke like he did with Ultron?
I'm the only one who loves him.
Ultron is just not memorable and he could have been a real classic villain. I don't know exactly why Marvel villains generally haven't hit the mark so far but something needs to change. Just good that the heroes have been so good to make up for it.
Mjölnir;32218471 said:I do too. I don't know if there's another villain I like to just listen to talk as much as Ultron.
Agreed, I think it's because they don't let directors go dark enough with the villains. A few dark acts can get them across as a threat. I am not asking for a bloodbath, but look how ruthless the likes of Reverse Flash, The Joker, Magneto and Loki were. It added bite and threat to their characters and they were charismatic and great to watch along with that.
"The first thing I want to say is:this movie is all mine." -Whedon on the BD commentary.
The way Joss wrote Ultron was note in the line that he was a threat to what the Avengers stood for. Ultron is soo OP in the comics. Joss took advantage of the A.I angle more than his physicality, that you can't kill him. And yeah Cap was being thrown around by Ultron. This Cap has much more experience in hand to hand combat than the one that fought Loki. He was getting tossed around and kept coming back and Ultron had him cornered until Pietro saved Cap.
Ultron was alive for all of three days. In that time, he nearly succeeded in causing a planetwide cataclysm. He was able to do this in the face of earths mightiest heroes because his knowledge, power, durability and numbers grew exponentially over the course of those days. Despite all that though, he still remained essentially a child.
He wasn't meant to be nefarious, diabolical or truly villainous in a classical sense. He was a mad program that, for all his efforts to step out of the shadow of his creator's massive personality, could not see that he was tied to it and a dark reflection of it. Klaue lost an arm when an offhand remark made him recall that he had once heard Tony Stark say the exact same thing. Ultron reacted like a triggered child then, vindictive and remorseful in turns. He is not an emotionless killing machine like the Terminator. Neither is he a godlike machinebeing like Amazo. He is somewhere in the middle, a mech-Pinocchio born of his father's deepest wishes and anxieties and thus, likewise burdened with his profound lack of introspection.
In this sense, it's notable that Jarvis/the Vision is both the first and last one to have a conversation with Ultron. They are wooden brothers, newly given form and let loose into the physical world. One is more optimistic about the fate of mankind, while the other's pessimism drives his calculations towards a darker direction. In the end though, they're both newborn babes with the power to change the world. Luckily, superior technology and morality were on the same side this time.
I loved Ultron. He's a great villain.
The way Joss wrote Ultron was note in the line that he was a threat to what the Avengers stood for. Ultron is soo OP in the comics. Joss took advantage of the A.I angle more than his physicality, that you can't kill him. And yeah Cap was being thrown around by Ultron. This Cap has much more experience in hand to hand combat than the one that fought Loki. He was getting tossed around and kept coming back and Ultron had him cornered until Pietro saved Cap.
Ultron was alive for all of three days. In that time, he nearly succeeded in causing a planetwide cataclysm. He was able to do this in the face of earths mightiest heroes because his knowledge, power, durability and numbers grew exponentially over the course of those days. Despite all that though, he still remained essentially a child.
He wasn't meant to be nefarious, diabolical or truly villainous in a classical sense. He was a mad program that, for all his efforts to step out of the shadow of his creator's massive personality, could not see that he was tied to it and a dark reflection of it. Klaue lost an arm when an offhand remark made him recall that he had once heard Tony Stark say the exact same thing. Ultron reacted like a triggered child then, vindictive and remorseful in turns. He is not an emotionless killing machine like the Terminator. Neither is he a godlike machinebeing like Amazo. He is somewhere in the middle, a mech-Pinocchio born of his father's deepest wishes and anxieties and thus, likewise burdened with his profound lack of introspection.
In this sense, it's notable that Jarvis/the Vision is both the first and last one to have a conversation with Ultron. They are wooden brothers, newly given form and let loose into the physical world. One is more optimistic about the fate of mankind, while the other's pessimism drives his calculations towards a darker direction. In the end though, they're both newborn babes with the power to change the world. Luckily, superior technology and morality were on the same side this time.
I loved Ultron. He's a great villain.
Bingo. This is why my favorite moment of Ultron was him severing Klaw's hand out of frustration. But he apologized right away, that was a little bit of a let down.
But there should've been more of that type of violence. Well I guess they wanted the kids to enjoy the movie too and for good reason. You can't please everyone.
The way Joss wrote Ultron was note in the line that he was a threat to what the Avengers stood for. Ultron is soo OP in the comics. Joss took advantage of the A.I angle more than his physicality, that you can't kill him. And yeah Cap was being thrown around by Ultron. This Cap has much more experience in hand to hand combat than the one that fought Loki. He was getting tossed around and kept coming back and Ultron had him cornered until Pietro saved Cap.
Ultron was alive for all of three days. In that time, he nearly succeeded in causing a planetwide cataclysm. He was able to do this in the face of earths mightiest heroes because his knowledge, power, durability and numbers grew exponentially over the course of those days. Despite all that though, he still remained essentially a child.
He wasn't meant to be nefarious, diabolical or truly villainous in a classical sense. He was a mad program that, for all his efforts to step out of the shadow of his creator's massive personality, could not see that he was tied to it and a dark reflection of it. Klaue lost an arm when an offhand remark made him recall that he had once heard Tony Stark say the exact same thing. Ultron reacted like a triggered child then, vindictive and remorseful in turns. He is not an emotionless killing machine like the Terminator. Neither is he a godlike machinebeing like Amazo. He is somewhere in the middle, a mech-Pinocchio born of his father's deepest wishes and anxieties and thus, likewise burdened with his profound lack of introspection.
In this sense, it's notable that Jarvis/the Vision is both the first and last one to have a conversation with Ultron. They are wooden brothers, newly given form and let loose into the physical world. One is more optimistic about the fate of mankind, while the other's pessimism drives his calculations towards a darker direction. In the end though, they're both newborn babes with the power to change the world. Luckily, superior technology and morality were on the same side this time.
I loved Ultron. He's a great villain.
Nooo. Marvel screwed with his vision.They never let directors have creative freedom.
We all know Whedon had battles with the studio on this movie, he has stated it outright and we all know about it around here. No one has said nothing in the movie was the directors.
Bingo. This is why my favorite moment of Ultron was him severing Klaw's hand out of frustration. But he apologized right away, that was a little bit of a let down.
But there should've been more of that type of violence. Well I guess they wanted the kids to enjoy the movie too and for good reason. You can't please everyone.
Of course he did. All directors who work with Marvel HAVE to make concessions. The Russos said this. Its a shared universe after all. Certain elements have to be in the films. Marvel gives them notes on elements they need to have in the films. Its up to the director to fit those elements in with their vision of the story they are telling. Some work, some don't. Gunn is another example. He battled with Feige over the inclusion of Thanos in GotG. Even though Feige told him to scrap it if it wasn't working but Gunn worked it in anyways.
Of course he did. All directors who work with Marvel HAVE to make concessions. The Russos said this. Its a shared universe after all. Certain elements have to be in the films. Marvel gives them notes on elements they need to have in the films. Its up to the director to fit those elements in with their vision of the story they are telling. Some work, some don't. Gunn is another example. He battled with Feige over the inclusion of Thanos in GotG. Even though Feige told him to scrap it if it wasn't working but Gunn worked it in anyways.
Bingo. This is why my favorite moment of Ultron was him severing Klaw's hand out of frustration. But he apologized right away, that was a little bit of a let down.
I just don't understand why people keep complaining about the humor.
Because they didn't like it. It's not a huge unsolvable mystery.
I'd feel much the same if Marvel had Kang or Doom cracking wise all the time.