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Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League (The Snyder Cut Edition) - Part 2

That for sure, and thats not even a really negative thing.
So he cares about his stuff...not a big deal.
But its not that, the man literally attacked and insulted people who didnt agree with his version.

Remember the "grow the **** up" when faced with criticism?
Dude cares...about his stuff and nothing else.



Absolutely.



Then we saw two very different fandoms.
The amount of telling people to kill themself etc in the snyderfandom i saw, is insane.
People going completely insane over the slightest criticism towards snyder.

But thats not even my problem.
My problem is what happens currently with them.

The whole "Oh its just a few bad apples" and then them going full on playing the victim.
Cowardly **** like that instead of doing what they should have done before, throw the "bad apples" of the fandom out.
Instead the snyderfans used those loud, toxic *******s because it got hashtags trending etc...but now when it comes out how bad things are, they act like they are the victims when they enabled this stuff because it served them well.

Yeah but dude come on thats EVERY fandom. I dont think its fair to place a blanket over the whole thing. We could easily look at the Star Wars fandom and say the same thing. God when The Last Jedi came out the stuff i saw online from angry fans rivaled the worst of the Snyder fandom, maybe even worse. And it was all over the place. The stuff Rian Johnson went thru on that movie was disgusting. He basically got bullied out of that franchise despite making a movie that made 1.3 Billion at the box office and 90% on RT.

Every fandom has the loud, shouting toxic side that demands to be heard and will spam social media until they are. Doesnt mean there aren’t tons and tons of good people in it too.
 
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Yeah but dude come on thats EVERY fandom. I dont think its fair to place a blanket over the whole thing. We could easily look at the Star Wars fandom and say the same thing. God when The Last Jedi came out the stuff i saw online from angry fans rivaled the worst of the Snyder fandom, maybe even worse. And it was all over the place. The stuff Rian Johnson went thru on that movie was disgusting. He basically got bullied out of that franchise despite making a movie that made 1.3 Billion at the box office and 90% on RT.

Every fandom has the loud, shouting toxic side that demands to be heard and will spam social media until they are. Doesnt mean there aren’t tons and tons of good people in it too.
But not every fandom is enabled by a filmmaker involved in the franchise who's not only taking advantage of the situation by not doing anything to calm things down, but he deliberately posts feisty things to rattle them up.
 
But not every fandom is enabled by a filmmaker involved in the franchise who's not only taking advantage of the situation by not doing anything to calm things down, but he deliberately posts feisty things to rattle them up.

Most filmmakers don't need to use quotes from Italian fascists but Snyder knows that his audience will eat it up.
 
The quote is originally from the French revolution:
Henri de la Rochejaquelein - Wikipedia).

It's a quote Snyder seems to have liked for quite some time, he wore a shirt with it during filming of BVS
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I think this could easily have been his planned post to mark the digital release of ZSJL unrelated to the article.
 
The quote is originally from the French revolution:
Henri de la Rochejaquelein - Wikipedia).

No, no, no. The infallible internet attributes the quote to Mussolini. Also to Ngo Dinh Diem (former South Vietnam president — assassinated in 1963). Also to Mary Matalin (of all people — former Republican political consultant). And there’s probably more.

:cwink:
 
The most disturbing part of that quote is, "Avenge Me".
All you need is one unstable person who thinks doing something violent is somehow supporting Zack...
One Person.
 
"was it fun to provoke them [his fans] for a clickable thing? Yes. And they were an easy target"

I remember posting this quote a long while back, where we all chimed in and some Snyder fantatic here started doing some serious mental gymantistics by saying that "Zack wasn't talking about himself proving his fans but rather the media and the writer of the article had a clear agenda against Zack and his fans and worded the whole thing differently".

I have several things to say about this whole thing:

1. I personally believe that MOST of Snyder's fanbase consists of decent people who simply love his work, after all raising nearly a million dollars for suicide prevention is no small feat and they should be commended for it. I also believe that the toxic, psychotic, cult like portion of his fanbase are in the minority even if they bark the loudest.

2. I said before and I will say it again, Zack Snyder is guilty of in-action. Never once, NOT ONCE, did he try to dissuade the psychotic portion of his fanbase.
Now I don't expect the guy to stop ALL the hate spewed out by his cultists but a simple, well written post asking his fanbase to be respectful towards others creators (like Lingard) and cut down on negativity isn't too much to ask for, yet he never even attempted to do that. On the other hand he posts non stop on social media about his JL plans and what would've/could've been.
As far as I'm concerned he deserves all the criticism he gets.

3. Synder is a villain in this story, but to be honest so is everyone else involved, infact while Snyder is A villain, the WB management at that time are THE villains. When BvS bombed critically
and severily underperform at the B.O. those stupid WB monkeys could've asked Snyder to step down, delay the release of JL by a year and re-work the project properly, yet instead they decided to continue with Snyder because delaying JL would've meant them losing their bonuses! And when Snyder's edit (not cut) didn't meet their approval, they decided to pull the rug from under him and get the A-hole in chief Whedon to butcher his film, in simple words: WB did Snyder guilty and the Snyder cut was the universe's way of setting things right, even if I personally never watched it and will never have any interest in watching it.

Lastly, what the hell is the point of all of this? Honestly, the Snyder cut happened, his fans got their wish and life continues to churn, so why does this article even exist? Is it disgruntled ex-WB employees getting back at Snyder? Is it the Rolling Stones magazine trying to cash in on the fact that the Snyder cut is coming out on digital today? Who knows, but I do know that most of (if not all of us) are tired of this crap and would love to move on.

Instead I want to hear about DC becoming an autonomus film studio run by an intelligent individual for a change. I want to WB to stop mucking around and announce Cavill's return already because I know for certain that he's still superman. And finally I want to hear a concrete announcement about the next Superman solo and the studio's plans for the character in general because we all know that Zaslev has made Superman a priority.
P. S. I wouldn't mind hearing about my 2nd favorite character Nightwing getting some love i,e, a solo outing, becaue if Babs is getting one then why not Dick!
I agree with most of your points.
Would you be down with Henry getting A Solo Superman film WItTHOUT Zack as director?And, if so, who would your Dream Choice Be?
 
No, no, no. The infallible internet attributes the quote to Mussolini. Also to Ngo Dinh Diem (former South Vietnam president — assassinated in 1963). Also to Mary Matalin (of all people — former Republican political consultant). And there’s probably more.

:cwink:

The quote was popularized by Mussolini and is attached to his legacy. But since other people have used it I guess we should celebrate Snyder proudly wearing that quote on his shirt.
 
The quote was popularized by Mussolini and is attached to his legacy. But since other people have used it I guess we should celebrate Snyder proudly wearing that quote on his shirt.

But it predates Mussolini by a century.

Henri de la Rochejaquelein - Wikipedia

Knowing that Snyder appreciates classical art (and history), I don't think he was thinking Mussolini. Don't get me wrong, it's still an apparent rallying cry for his fandom and that's not helping anybody right now but saying he's quoting Mussolini is a stretch.
 
“You give me too much credit” is a pretty limp line from a guy who’s done a lot to foster the “Us vs Them” mentality and very little to reign in the harassment that he knows does happen. I know the Snyder Cut movement is made up of mostly respectful, sane folks. But rather than whine about the movement being unfairly portrayed as toxic, I think this is a chance to respond to reports (independently researched and backed-up) of Snyder enabling harassment with anything other than variations of “It’s nbd” or deflection or whataboutism. He’s not being "a passionate artist" with that one, he’s being vain. I don’t know what deserves admiring/defending there.
 
But it predates Mussolini by a century.

Henri de la Rochejaquelein - Wikipedia

Knowing that Snyder appreciates classical art (and history), I don't think he was thinking Mussolini. Don't get me wrong, it's still an apparent rallying cry for his fandom and that's not helping anybody right now but saying he's quoting Mussolini is a stretch.

I know the quote pre-dates Mussolini but that doesn't change the fact that the quote was popularized by Mussolini. When people see that quote it's 100% associated to the legacy of Mussolini. He was also the first to popularise the English translation of the quote.

As you say, Snyder appreciates art and history so he would obviously know the history of the quote and what it represents.
 
I know the quote pre-dates Mussolini but that doesn't change the fact that the quote was popularized by Mussolini. When people see that quote it's 100% associated to the legacy of Mussolini. He was also the first to popularise the English translation of the quote.

As you say, Snyder appreciates art and history so he would obviously know the history of the quote and what it represents.

I saw you spamming the same message in the comment section over at comicbookmovie.com. Do I detect a slight bias?
 
So to slightly deviate the discussion, take this with a GRAINNNNN of salt but Cavill might be showing up at comic con. This came from Dave the Film Junkee who has reliable people in the know. But again, grain of salt guys….but how crazy would that be?!!
 
So to slightly deviate the discussion, take this with a GRAINNNNN of salt but Cavill might be showing up at comic con. This came from Dave the Film Junkee who has reliable people in the know. But again, grain of salt guys….but how crazy would that be?!!

Zaslav wants to revitalize Superman and maybe he liked Cavill in the role so I think it's more of a possibility now than it was before the Discovery merger. But I'm not getting my hopes up. I'll believe it when I'm sitting in the theater watching a new Superman movie with Cavill.
 
The quote was popularized by Mussolini and is attached to his legacy. But since other people have used it I guess we should celebrate Snyder proudly wearing that quote on his shirt.
Fair enough. Speaking for myself… though I was familiar with the quote, I couldn’t immediately place its origin. It kinda sounded like something Conan the Barbarian would say.:hehe: OTOH, a feminist marching for abortion rights might display the very same slogan on her placard. I.e., it’s general enough that it can connote different meanings in different contexts. Also, words and phrases can — over time — become decoupled from their original sources. (And this quote, as noted, isn’t even original to Mussolini.) If you do a Google image-search for the quote, you’ll be treated to a screenful of mostly T-shirt ads. :wow: Go figure. And I'll assume (perhaps at my peril) that most of the buyers, wearers and manufacturers of these Ts are not endorsing fascism. Cheers.

if-i-advance-follow-me-if-i-retreat-kill-me-if-i-die-avenge-me-shirt-ladiestee.jpg
 
I think Snyder feels too much gratitude to the fans, he sees the positive stuff the send him, they got his film released. That he's got an idealistic concept of the fans and feels indebted to them, so he's inclined to think the best of them and is afraid criticising them would appear ungrateful.

I reckon it's probably hard to be unbiased with a group of people who are consistently praising you. Especially if there have been a lot of people constantly bashing you and your work for years. Who stays objective after that?
 
I think Snyder feels too much gratitude to the fans, he sees the positive stuff the send him, they got his film released. That he's got an idealistic concept of the fans and feels indebted to them, so he's inclined to think the best of them and is afraid criticising them would appear ungrateful.

I reckon it's probably hard to be unbiased with a group of people who are consistently praising you. Especially if there have been a lot of people constantly bashing you and your work for years. Who stays objective after that?

I think thats a fair and accurate assessment. I dont think the guy's this Machiavellian architect that people are making him out to be. He's grateful for what all these people did for him, plain and simple.

Anyway...hope this Cavill stuff is true!
 
So to slightly deviate the discussion, take this with a GRAINNNNN of salt but Cavill might be showing up at comic con. This came from Dave the Film Junkee who has reliable people in the know. But again, grain of salt guys….but how crazy would that be?!!

Could it be non DC related tho? Cause the bald man aint showing up in either flash nor shazam. You can cash that right now, it aint happening. Lawd.
 

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