Besides the accent, is there anything in German History or German culture that defines who Kurt is? I feel like his faith is way more meaningful to who he is.
With that said, there're two suggestions I like when it comes to changing Kurt to be part of a minority. Either changing his nationality or changing his faith. I like the idea of making him a muslim instead of catholic. Even tho there are aspects of catholicism that is important to who Kurt is, the essence is him being a man of faith. So changing to a religious minority makes sense.
Now what I'm not a big fan of is changing his ethinicity, but still forcing him to be german. It rubs me the wrong way if you change him to a middle eastern man, but still connecting to Germany, so he can have his european accent. It does feel, to me, like a little bit of "white washing", like making a middle eastern more palatable for western audience. If you're going to change him, go all the way. If he's going to be a middle eastern, or latino, or another ethinic minority, give him that accent and cultural baggage.
I really hope we get legit costumes back for this reboot. Enough of the black leather or tactical gear garbage. I want costumes, and I want masks. Wolverine Mask finally has to happen. We've been denied it too long.
Also, I don't mean that he puts it on for 30 seconds and barely wears it crap like Zemo in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Not good enough.
I shudder at the thought of all the recoiling masks that were so prevalent in Infinity War (admittedly it was the shoddy CGI that wasn't helping in that department. I'm sure if they had more time it would've looked better). There are definitely worse things (anything Simon Kinberg comes up with) but I hope they don't over do it.
Kurt is my favorite X-Man, but I guess we all have different readings.
But I have never seen a single native German suggested to play Kurt. Alan Cumming is Scottish. Kodi Shmidt-McPhee is Australian. Neither of them have any more German national ties than Massoud. Do you only want a native German actor to play Kurt? And if they cast a native German of the same ethnicity of Massoud, would you be okay with that?
Why not get a native German play Kurt this time? I thought McPhee was a terrible Nightcrawler. If there is another actor to play Nightcrawler again, it has to be better. That garbage when he screamed and went into a berserker rage in Dark Phoenix was laughable.
I get the love for the iconic lineups. But from a filmmaking perspective, there are SO MANY amazing mutant characters that I wouldn't want to limit myself to teams we've already seen. I just hope we get a broad enough scope for the franchise as to maximize how many mutants actually get screentime.
My current lineup is:
Cyclops: Corey Hawkins Jean (I really don't know what codename. Maybe yoink "Prestige" from Rachel): Rose Leslie Storm: Jodie Turner-Smith Nightcrawler: Mena Massoud Iceman: Noah Galvin Rictor: Diego Tinoco Jubilee (The newbie on the team, promoted after Morph is killed in action): Kelly Marie Tran
With Havoc, Kitty, Quentin, Armor & Idie as students. The Professor and Beast as teachers. And Polaris introduced as an outsider secretly spying for her dad.
That's fair. I just found myself wanting Marvel Studios to really do what Singer & Fox never did, and give us the iconic version(s) of the X-Men in the MCU. But, I also understand your point as well. They want flexibility, even if they might be more of a fan of certain eras than others
That's a really nice fancast. I hope you don't mind me posting some of my updated choices for the X-Men
Jonathan Davisss (25) - Scott/Cyclops
Pepi Sonuga (30) - Ororo/Storm
Mallory Betchel (25) - Jean/Marvel Girl
Christian Navvaro (31) - Hank/Beast
Ajuawak Kapashesit (28) - John/Thunderbird
Brooklyn Prince (14) - Kitty/Sprite
I hope you like my picks! I went a little younger but not quite teenage young this time. You want the X-Men to have a significant age gap to Kitten but not be so much older that they could be her parents. More like older siblings
If thats the case, then I would say Jean is the one we won't get in the first Mcu X-Men movie. Jean was the lead in Dark PhoeniX and that movie is one of the worst reviewed Marvel movies ever (joining the ranks of Elektra, Fant4stic and Spirit of Vengeance). While Storm didn't really do anything in Dark Phoenix. And Rogue's last movie appearance is way back in 2014.
... You realize that there are non-white native Germans, right? And, you know, Kurt is blue, so if Mena puts on a German accent, what's the difference? Kurt has big Aladdin vibes. Who better to play him than Aladdin himself?
As for Magneto - I really very strongly feel the Holocaust should be off the table. I hate the idea of Erik being given some anti-aging power just to cling to that backstory when there are, tragically, SO MANY genocides more recent in our history. And this isn't just because of it diminishing the mortal nature of his character. It's a matter of relevance. The Holocaust is understandably the definitive genocide. But that allows too many people to act like such crimes "couldn't happen today." It's much more poignant, IMO, for Erik to have survived a more recent genocide, one that was mostly ignored and forgotten by the Western world.
And I really don't see a world where Wanda and Pietro are retconned to be his kids. I just don't see what that would add to Wanda's character at this point, especially when we've already seen her dad. Let Polaris take that starring role instead of dragging Wanda into it.
I like Jurnee Smollett-Bell for Polaris. Denzel as Magneto would be my top choice, too, honestly. We've seen so much of him at this point that it would be good to mix it up a little, and I'm not sure how else you really change Magneto.
I mean, that's what it is the end of the day. We've seen many of these characters before, dozens of times over. So they gotta change it up, make things feel fresh-- whilst at the same time, adhering to the MCU's storytelling formula[/Spoiler]
@Lip I love the idea of making Kurt Muslim. I mean, what's the harm? We've seen Catholic German Kurt two times now, Marvel may want to spice it. Reimagine the character
You know this, how? With so many villains in the MCU that weren't adapted faithfully - Taskmaster, Ultron, Thanos, Yellowjacket, Mandarin, to name a few. Suddenly Marvel Studios couldn't skip over Rogue's short stint as a X-villainess?
Rogue might have started as an enemy, but she isn't well known as a villainess. She's not Mystique, Magneto, Sinister, Cassandra Nova and Apocalypse that when you mention her name, people immediately would think a "X-Men villain."
You know this, how? With so many villains in the MCU that weren't adapted faithfully - Taskmaster, Ultron, Thanos, Yellowjacket, Mandarin, to name a few. Suddenly Marvel Studios couldn't skip over Rogue's short stint as a X-villainess?
Rogue might have started as an enemy, but she isn't well known as a villainess. She's not Mystique, Magneto, Sinister, Cassandra Nova and Apocalypse that when you mention her name, people immediately would think a "X-Men villain."
Her "short stint" as a villain defines almost... Everything about her character. Her wants, her goals, her relationships, her dreams etc. Everything goes back to how she started. If Rogue is gonna be an important character in these films, then they're gonna want to SHOW this to people; show* audiences why we should care about Rogue, not *tell them-- in some 30 second recap. They're not gonna assume that audiences already know a story that hasn't been told.
Again, they're writing a movie (the first act in what will be a series of chapters), not another issue in a long-running comic book series or animated tv show with an episodic narrative. The medium and storytelling method are completely different
Her "short stint" as a villain defines almost... Everything about her character. Her wants, her goals, her relationships, her dreams etc. Everything goes back to how she started. If Rogue is gonna be an important character in these films, then they're gonna want to SHOW this to people; show* audiences why we should care about Rogue, not *tell them-- in some 30 second recap. They're not gonna assume that audiences already know a story that hasn't been told.
Again, they're writing a movie (the first act in what will be a series of chapters), not another issue in a long-running comic book series or animated tv show with an episodic narrative. The medium and storytelling method are completely different
If Marvel Studios could leave out Death, Thanos' motivation for the snap, in the movies, they could definitely leave out Rogue being a villainess if they want to... You mentioned Rogue being a villain, like it was already confirmed. Feige haven't even uttered her name recently.
Now what I'm not a big fan of is changing his ethinicity, but still forcing him to be german. It rubs me the wrong way if you change him to a middle eastern man, but still connecting to Germany, so he can have his european accent. It does feel, to me, like a little bit of "white washing", like making a middle eastern more palatable for western audience. If you're going to change him, go all the way. If he's going to be a middle eastern, or latino, or another ethinic minority, give him that accent and cultural baggage.
I get where you're coming from with that. But personally, I think it's important to represent non-white characters from European countries, to push back on the image of white European hegemony all too frequently presented by Hollywood.
Kurt is my favorite X-Man, but I guess we all have different readings.
But I have never seen a single native German suggested to play Kurt. Alan Cumming is Scottish. Kodi Shmidt-McPhee is Australian. Neither of them have any more German national ties than Massoud. Do you only want a native German actor to play Kurt? And if they cast a native German of the same ethnicity of Massoud, would you be okay with that?
My go-to German actor for Kurt is Max Mauff. He played Felix on Sense8. (Not Wolfgang, the main German dude; Felix is his BFF). He's got the right height, build, and the angular features that Kurt is usually drawn with. Plus he's currently 34 (Alan Cumming was 43 in X2.)
If Marvel Studios could leave out Death, Thanos' motivation for the snap, in the movies, they could definitely leave out Rogue being a villainess if they want to... You mentioned Rogue being a villain, like it was already confirmed. Feige haven't even uttered her name recently.
A closer equivalent to what you are suggesting, would be Marvel making Thanos an unsung hero-- completely ignoring his origins.
I'm operating under common sense here. Unless you want a stripped down version of Rogue that differs heavily from the material (Which we kinds got with Anna), then they're gonna be poised to adapt the (unused) elements from the comics that define* her character, because that's where the meat (of her character) comes from
Unless ofc, you have an idea to reimagine Rogue in a way thaf those elements can be replaced with something just as fulfilling, like Singer's Rogue in X1?
Rogue being a villain first then going on her redemption arc and becoming one of the X-Men would be everything FOX neglected to do. It would be a fun ride that I and many others would totally be down for.
not to mention that I think we basically havent seen that in the MCU to date, so Rogue would have all this new plot for her, making her stand out even more in Marvel universe.
"From villain to hero and becoming one of the biggest fan favorites of Marvel Studios ever".
Sounds about perfect to me.
I have to say I am happy the X-Men are in the MCU but like 5 to 7 years ago based on the success and risk the FoX-Men movies were doing I thought to myself that never in my lifetime X-Men in the MCU, but I am wrong just like a lot people are. It just so amazing that there will be an MCU X-Men movie.
You can thank Rupert Murdoch for that. As I imagine the old foX would have been in a total mess figuring out what to do neXt after Dark PhoeniX and the New Mutants.
Besides the accent, is there anything in German History or German culture that defines who Kurt is? I feel like his faith is way more meaningful to who he is.
With that said, there're two suggestions I like when it comes to changing Kurt to be part of a minority. Either changing his nationality or changing his faith. I like the idea of making him a muslim instead of catholic. Even tho there are aspects of catholicism that is important to who Kurt is, the essence is him being a man of faith. So changing to a religious minority makes sense.
Now what I'm not a big fan of is changing his ethinicity, but still forcing him to be german. It rubs me the wrong way if you change him to a middle eastern man, but still connecting to Germany, so he can have his european accent. It does feel, to me, like a little bit of "white washing", like making a middle eastern more palatable for western audience. If you're going to change him, go all the way. If he's going to be a middle eastern, or latino, or another ethinic minority, give him that accent and cultural baggage.
I guess Kurt doesn't necessarily have to be German. But then again I don't think Logan has to be Canadian or Rogue from Southern USA. It's just what they've always been and it's what I'm used to. And I think I'd prefer that they kept their nationalities even their religion or ethnic background is changed. I sort of get the worry about "white washing". But at the same time there are plenty of Muslims in "western" countries. I don't think there's anything wrong with portraying that with characters like Kamala Khan or, possibly, German Muslim Nightcrawler.
not to mention that I think we basically havent seen that in the MCU to date, so Rogue would have all this new plot for her, making her stand out even more in Marvel universe.
"From villain to hero and becoming one of the biggest fan favorites of Marvel Studios ever".
Sounds about perfect to me.
The only X-Woman that I want to start as a villainess then turn as a X-Woman is Emma Frost.
Polaris, Banshee, Rogue, Sunfire have fought the X-Men first before joining the team (if my memory isn't mistaken), but I prefer that they are already part of the X-Men in their first MCU movie.
That being said, my pitch for Disney+ original anthology series - X-Men Origins, could be used to reveal the origin story of each member.
A lot of fans want Rogue to be what she was in the toon and...
I would be more than happy with Rogue having here power leaching and thats it for most of her MCU run if for nothing else it can serve as a great trump card in a story. If a situation CAN be solved by super strength and flight well, we'll expect that from Rogue if she's already empowerd that way.
Better it be a "surprise" to shift a story in some way is my druthers.
Also as always...
I prefer a Rogue that's not proportioned like a porn star, maybe one of my biggest gripes about Jim Lee era art for the mutants.
A lot of fans want Rogue to be what she was in the toon and...
I would be more than happy with Rogue having here power leaching and thats it for most of her MCU run if for nothing else it can serve as a great trump card in a story. If a situation CAN be solved by super strength and flight well, we'll expect that from Rogue if she's already empowerd that way.
Better it be a "surprise" to shift a story in some way is my druthers.
Also as always...
I prefer a Rogue that's not proportioned like a porn star, maybe one of my biggest gripes about Jim Lee era art for the mutants.
I'm confused.......you have Esposito as Mags in the pics but prefer him over Washington as Charles? Not me! Esposito seems to be the perfect bad guy and I can see him as Mags and Denzel as Charles.......I hope they keep the same tension that Malcolm X and Martin Luther had but chemistry to be good friends at the same time.
I can see either one in either role, which is why I put up two sets of pics. I've seen them both play heroes and villains .
In fact, I've seen Esposito since the early 90s , when he played good guys as well as bad guys , so I have that history. But I can see why you would want Esposito as Magneto. If he were cast in the part, I wouldn't complain.
Having seen Denzel play a villain in Training Day, and having seen him play Malcom X, I could totally see him as Magneto. I actually think he's more suited to that role than Xavier.
So, I think Esposito and Washington would both make good Magneto's , though they'd be different types of Magneto's I would suspect. They'd each bring a different thing to the role.
But , we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
Carl Lumbly would have made a great Professor X if he wasn't already in the MCU.
With his voice, gravitas, wisdom, and calmness he's shown in shows like Supergirl he would have made an awesome Xavier imo.
Laurence Fishburne would have also made a great Professor X imo , but again, he's already in the MCU.
Marvel Studios ignored plenty of origins to a lot of their villains. Thanos had a different origin. If I'm not mistaken, he destroyed his home planet Titan. That didn't happen in the MCU. Hela wasn't the sister of Loki and Thor in the comiXs. And anyone saw the new Black Widow film?
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