Ridin’ with Biden

[Lily Adler]

It's not about re-cooping the investment, @InCali. Alberta is the Canadian equivalent of the worst of Texas, West Virginia coal country, and the Deep South all mixed in together. Under 50 years of Conservative government at the provincial level and most recently aided and abetted by the Harper government at the federal level, Alberta has gone all-in on oil and gas, and the Tar Sands specifically, as the basis of its economy. Tar Sands oil is a lot more expensive to produce than the purer stuff coming out of the Middle East and in recent years, the OPEC countries have depressing prices, which as been killing Alberta oil. Alberta is desperate to prop up its oil and gas industry as a result. A direct pipeline to US refineries and markets would be a huge boon for Alberta.

Alberta is highly alienated from the rest of Canada, which doesn't subscribe to its obsession with oil or its conservative politics. They are even talking separatism lately. The Liberals did not win a single seat in Alberta in the last election.

Trudeau's government is worried about alienating Alberta further and a hard push away from oil and gas in the province is not financially viable for a lot of hard-hit Alberta families. Consequently, the Liberals seem to be taking the approach of trying to wean Alberta off oil and gas slowly by supporting pipelines and other ways of propping up the industry in the short-term while pushing the country as a whole towards renewable resources through carbon taxes and related policies.

Part of me wants to say to Alberta, it's good that you are suffering, you all deserve it for putting all your chips on a dying industry trying to exploit one of the dirtiest, most environmentally unfriendly sources of oil in the whole world. If a ton of your citizens bought big, ridiculous pickup trucks and SUVs and house outside of their means, I don't care. But that is no way to run a country and will probably only cause further problems.

Didn't @Elektra1 say that the New Dems tried to help that area go green but eventually they got voted out because change didn't occur quickly enough?

 

[InCali]

It's not about re-cooping the investment, @InCali. Alberta is the Canadian equivalent of the worst of Texas, West Virginia coal country, and the Deep South all mixed in together. Under 50 years of Conservative government at the provincial level and most recently aided and abetted by the Harper government at the federal level, Alberta has gone all-in on oil and gas, and the Tar Sands specifically, as the basis of its economy. Tar Sands oil is a lot more expensive to produce than the purer stuff coming out of the Middle East and in recent years, the OPEC countries have depressing prices, which as been killing Alberta oil. Alberta is desperate to prop up its oil and gas industry as a result. A direct pipeline to US refineries and markets would be a huge boon for Alberta.

Alberta is highly alienated from the rest of Canada, which doesn't subscribe to its obsession with oil or its conservative politics. They are even talking separatism lately. The Liberals did not win a single seat in Alberta in the last election.

Trudeau's government is worried about alienating Alberta further and a hard push away from oil and gas in the province is not financially viable for a lot of hard-hit Alberta families. Consequently, the Liberals seem to be taking the approach of trying to wean Alberta off oil and gas slowly by supporting pipelines and other ways of propping up the industry in the short-term while pushing the country as a whole towards renewable resources through carbon taxes and related policies.

Part of me wants to say to Alberta, it's good that you are suffering, you all deserve it for putting all your chips on a dying industry trying to exploit one of the dirtiest, most environmentally unfriendly sources of oil in the whole world. If a ton of your citizens bought big, ridiculous pickup trucks and SUVs and house outside of their means, I don't care. But that is no way to run a country and will probably only cause further problems.

That makes sense, but why not put money towards renewable energy on a large scale to temporarily prop up the economy until such time as it becomes self sustaining? Education and physical infrastructure could provide job as we go forward.

I heard they had billions sunk into this project and figured no one like losing that kind of money. Plus the article strongly suggested this was a motivation.

 

[Donner]

Didn't @Elektra1 say that the New Dems tried to help that area go green but eventually they got voted out because change didn't occur quickly enough?

More or less. Plus having a woman in charge does not sit well with the conservative elite.

Alberta's only saving grace right now is that Jason Kenney has done a splendid job of pissing off both the far right conservatives and the far left liberals. Quite the feat.

I would think the NDPs can win the next election, if only that the younger generations will outvote the older ones.

 

[DKDetective]

Didn't @Elektra1 say that the New Dems tried to help that area go green but eventually they got voted out because change didn't occur quickly enough?

Yep, precisely, which is the answer to the below:

That makes sense, but why not put money towards renewable energy on a large scale to temporarily prop up the economy until such time as it becomes self sustaining? Education and physical infrastructure could provide job as we go forward.

I heard they had billions sunk into this project and figured no one like losing that kind of money. Plus the article strongly suggested this was a motivation.

We are investing in renewables nationwide. Could we do more? Of course we could, but there is backlash in pockets of the country. For instance, with the Great Lakes, Ontario invested heavily in wind power under Wynn's Liberals, but there was backlash and now we have Doug Ford's Conservatives in power again here provincially.

 

[Donner]

That makes sense, but why not put money towards renewable energy on a large scale to temporarily prop up the economy until such time as it becomes self sustaining? Education and physical infrastructure could provide job as we go forward.

I heard they had billions sunk into this project and figured no one like losing that kind of money. Plus the article strongly suggested this was a motivation.

The Premier sunk about a billion and a half into it that we'll be on the hook for.

Personally, **** Keystone and **** anyone who is a hard lined oil and gas proponent.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[Marvolo]

Sad fact is that massive number of flags is only a little over 191,000. Less than half of the number of dead from covid.

It infuriates me that the MAGAts might despoil those flags on Wednesday. The military should have brought in a group of soldiers just to guard the flags.

 

[moviedoors]

I think guarding cloth would be a spectacular waste of resources.

 

[samsnee]

Sad fact is that massive number of flags is only a little over 191,000. Less than half of the number of dead from covid.

It infuriates me that the MAGAts might despoil those flags on Wednesday. The military should have brought in a group of soldiers just to guard the flags.

It’s actually brilliant. If they want to be filmed attacking the flag, which they claim to love so much, so be it.

 

[Detective Conan]

By noon tomorrow Joe Biden will make non-history as yet another old white guy to assume the presidency while his running mate Kamala Harris will make history as the first black American, first Indian American, first woman, first hip-hop lover to assume the Vice Presidency.

 

[Marvolo]

I think guarding cloth would be a spectacular waste of resources.

Do you think the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is a waste of resources? What about when soldiers escort a body until its buried?

I think the richest nation in the world can afford a symbolic gesture for a day.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

By noon tomorrow Joe Biden will make non-history as yet another old white guy to assume the presidency while his running mate Kamala Harris will make history as the first black American, first Indian American, first woman, first hip-hop lover to assume the Vice Presidency.

I was about to compose a well riled up response, then I saw the sarcasm face...

 

[moviedoors]

Do you think the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is a waste of resources? What about when soldiers escort a body until its buried?

I think the richest nation in the world can afford a symbolic gesture for a day.

Not at the expense of what could be catastrophic mob violence. In the face of hordes of insurrectionists, I don’t give a **** about flags or monuments.

 

[InCali]

Not at the expense of what could be catastrophic mob violence. In the face of hordes of insurrectionists, I don’t give a **** about flags or monuments.

Whether they do or don’t it’s a non-issue to me. They can put up a perimeter fine if not that’s fine too frankly I don’t care. Just make sure there’s adequate security. That’s all.

 

[moviedoors]

How many thousands of soldiers would it take to protect nearly 200,000 flags? It's a silly notion.

 

[mclay18]

The Latest: 3 new Dem senators to be sworn in after Biden

 

[InCali]

How many thousands of soldiers would it take to protect nearly 200,000 flags? It's a silly notion.

I don’t know and I don’t really care. Symbolism is important to some people, but not really to me. As long as Security is OK. I don’t care. It’s small potatoes one way or the other. I don’t see any reason to complain one way or the other

 

[Lily Adler]

The Latest: 3 new Dem senators to be sworn in after Biden

Should have been 5... Ya know which ones. LG and Moscow Turtle.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[InCali]

Mitch, I will almost forgive you if you can get Trump convicted. Not really, but I’ll take a hiatus from calling you a smarmy little weasel.

 

[Lily Adler]

**** off Kevin you little pissant.

 

[InCali]

Anyone still have a problem with Janice Yellen being treasury secretary?

 

[Lily Adler]

Anyone still have a problem with Janice Yellen being treasury secretary?

Isn't her name Janet? And no. I just would have preferred Warren.

 

[InCali]

Isn't her name Janet? And no. I just would have preferred Warren.

Yes. FING voice recognition on my iPhoneOr possibly I just talk funny

 

[MagnarTheGreat]