The Avengers The Captain America/Chris Evans Thread

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I can see a fight between Steve and Tony being ignited by Steve talking about Howard Stark. The previews we've seen of the First Vengeance comic have made him out to look like Tony but with less self-control and subtlety.
 
I agree with this, he is going to be in shock and feel out of his leauge and not shure of his place within the present time and the group . He is going to bring the most emotional depth out of all of them, this is my opinion of course. Its going to take something to make him feel like he got something to offer and he is needed, also I would love to see him lift Thor's hammer not necessarly use it but lift it when its needed and see the wtf look on everyone, especially Thor and Loki's faces.

Captain America and Thor are going to connect the most because they have similar codes of honor and Captain America being who he is so humble about it . Which leads to Thor gaining more humility by fighting along side him and the other Avengers and getting his respect.


I think Stark will be the "leader" at first as Steve adjusts. Tony's ego will assure he act in charge. Black Widow and Hawkeye will immediately have great respect for Cap imo, and will look to him over Tony in short order. Thor and Hulk will follow shortly thereafter.

Cap won't assume leadership IMO, he will be become it as the team begins to respect and listen to Cap more than Tony. Makes it a good source of tension between the two as well.
 
Knowing Joss Whedon's Mark Millar fanboyism i hope we see alot of Ultimate Captain America influences, theres so much to pick from:
- He goes to the church every sunday
- Watches Penny Singleton movies and other classics while working out.
- Gets hooked into daytime television movies such as the Terminator movies.
- Accepts America's past mistakes such as what happened in Vietnam and whatnot, simply wants to work and help out America instead of complaining all the mistakes and saying America is ruined forever.
- Visits soldiers in Afghanistan to supply them Thanks Giving Turkeys and simply being there as a moral boost for his fellow country men.

Thats the Captain America we should see in modern day whenever it's Whedon's Avengers or his own film franchise.
 
I think Stark will be the "leader" at first as Steve adjusts. Tony's ego will assure he act in charge. Black Widow and Hawkeye will immediately have great respect for Cap imo, and will look to him over Tony in short order. Thor and Hulk will follow shortly thereafter.

Cap won't assume leadership IMO, he will be become it as the team begins to respect and listen to Cap more than Tony. Makes it a good source of tension between the two as well.

Agreed. I don't think Cap would come in and assume power immediately in a world he doesn't understand. I think he will earn the leadership role through deeds and gaining the respect of the others, which I see Stark failing to fully do.
 
The problem with Stark being the leader at first is that there is no way Nick Fury would allow that after the events of IM and IM2. Remember, Fury is the real leader of the team no matter who takes up the leadership role while in missions. Stark is just a consultant who I could see wanting a leadership role and becoming jealous when the team looks to Steve as the leader.
 
I could also see Thor stepping up, like perhaps Stark would, just assuming he's the obvious choice. He's a warrior whose led others, why not take over in place of a drunk and an old-timer in his mind?
 
I could also see Thor stepping up, like perhaps Stark would, just assuming he's the obvious choice. He's a warrior whose led others, why not take over in place of a drunk and an old-timer in his mind?

I think Thor might offer to lead, but I imagine Thor is the last to come into play. So, that begs who leads prior to Thor coming into the picture? I don't think Widow or Hawkeye have had enough time to warrant leadership early on. So that really leaves either Cap or Stark to begin as leader. I think Stark would want it more at first than Steve. But, Fury may give it to Steve (despite him not wanting it at first). Thus, angry Iron Man, LOL!
 
Knowing Joss Whedon's Mark Millar fanboyism i hope we see alot of Ultimate Captain America influences, theres so much to pick from:
- He goes to the church every sunday
- Watches Penny Singleton movies and other classics while working out.
- Gets hooked into daytime television movies such as the Terminator movies.
- Accepts America's past mistakes such as what happened in Vietnam and whatnot, simply wants to work and help out America instead of complaining all the mistakes and saying America is ruined forever.
- Visits soldiers in Afghanistan to supply them Thanks Giving Turkeys and simply being there as a moral boost for his fellow country men.

Thats the Captain America we should see in modern day whenever it's Whedon's Avengers or his own film franchise.

While there are tons of things I HATE about Ultimate Cap, everything you mentioned is great. I think Miller did a great job incorporating the "1940s guy in modern time" aspect of Cap. Unfortunately, everything post Ultimates 2 is absolutely garbage.
 
The problem with Stark being the leader at first is that there is no way Nick Fury would allow that after the events of IM and IM2. Remember, Fury is the real leader of the team no matter who takes up the leadership role while in missions. Stark is just a consultant who I could see wanting a leadership role and becoming jealous when the team looks to Steve as the leader.

Unless Fury himself leads the team then Stark will assume he is naturally the most fit to do so and boss everyone around, being the "De facto" leader. Appointed or not imo.


It won't take long for everyone to realize that Cap is the more worthy leader.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if that proves to be one of the main story arcs in the movie. Cap is probably going to start out somewhat depressed because everyone he'd known and loved in the 1940s will be long gone (as far as we know), and Tony's type-A personality will lead to him naturally take the leadership position at first. And then as the movie goes along (maybe after a clash/disagreement between Tony and Cap), Cap eventually proves to both himself and his new friends that he's the one who should be leading them.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if that proves to be one of the main story arcs in the movie. Cap is probably going to start out somewhat depressed because everyone he'd known and loved in the 1940s will be long gone (as far as we know), and Tony's type-A personality will lead to him naturally take the leadership position at first. And then as the movie goes along (maybe after a clash/disagreement between Tony and Cap), Cap eventually proves to both himself and his new friends that he's the one who should be leading them.

Agreed; as you mentioned, there's a lot of room for greatness to result from the character arc of CA assuming the role of leader for this group by the end of the film.

As great as Tony may be, his character type isn't suited for leader. Thor will be too busy in dealing with the backlash of his brother's doings, and Bruce Banner is in no mood to assume the leadership of anything, and Hawkeye/BW are just more likely SHIELD agents.
 
While there are tons of things I HATE about Ultimate Cap, everything you mentioned is great. I think Miller did a great job incorporating the "1940s guy in modern time" aspect of Cap. Unfortunately, everything post Ultimates 2 is absolutely garbage.

Not at all, Millar's Ultimate Avengers is action comics at their finest and some of my examples even come from those comics that you consider as great.
 
there should be a scene where cap is watching old serials from back in the day, but they are actually old captain america movies, he should flip through an old comic book that is actually an old cap comic

it would really drive home his legend status and play upon the fact that he was a propaganda tool of sorts.

he could even joke about how they got things wrong "bucky wasn't that young" and "i hated that costume"
 
So does anyone here know as to why Captain America stops using a gun against villains after World War 2?
 
here's something i posted at the cap forum:

Star-Spangled and Searching His Own Psyche

WHEN some actors land a potentially life-altering role, they celebrate that success with exorbitant purchases: new homes, sports cars, plastic surgery. When Chris Evans agreed to play Captain America, he went into therapy.

For several weeks Mr. Evans, 30, had been wrestling with — and repeatedly turning down — the offer to play that star-spangled Marvel Comics superhero, and wondering why the anxiety he often feels about public scrutiny and momentous choices was hitting him harder than ever.

He wasn’t necessarily seeking opportunities to star in a comic-book movie franchise or to spend about a month’s worth of meetings talking to a professional about his feelings. But he concluded that these seemingly unrelated options were intertwined steps on a path he needed to follow.

“I wouldn’t have done it,” Mr. Evans said, discussing his therapy experience over a recent lunch at a Studio City delicatessen, “had I not agreed to do ‘Captain America’ and gone into panic mode.” He added, “The second I agreed to do it, I was like, ‘All right, I’ll do this, but I’ve got to start working on my head.’ ”

It may be difficult to summon up sympathy for Mr. Evans, a Massachusetts-born dude’s dude who has brought slyly self-aware performances to films like “Cellular,” “Fantastic Four” and “Scott Pilgrim vs. the World,” and who has had to navigate Hollywood with little more than his rugged good looks, piercing blue eyes and billowing forearms that threatened to topple the lunch table.

Yet beneath that enviable exterior Mr. Evans is an unexpectedly thoughtful guy — perhaps perilously so. His self-questioning, often humorously self-effacing nature has helped him build a distinctive résumé, but his lead role in “Captain America: The First Avenger” (which Paramount will release July 22) brings with it a whole new set of existential crises.

“The question is: What’s the endgame?” Mr. Evans said in a characteristic moment of self-analysis. “What’s the goal? If the goal is to be a giant movie star, then yeah, this is a great way to achieve that. That’s not necessarily what I’m trying to achieve.”

Mr. Evans, whose mother, Lisa, is artistic director of the Concord Youth Theater in Massachusetts, and whose uncle Michael E. Capuano is a Democratic congressman, was probably destined for a career in acting, or at least public speaking. (His father is a dentist.)

Fresh out of high school he landed roles in films like “Not Another Teen Movie” and “The Perfect Score.” In 2005 he played the Human Torch in “Fantastic Four” and repeated the role in a 2007 sequel based on the Marvel adventurers.

In these early, high-profile experiences, Mr. Evans said, he found acting to be “a very safe place to play, have fun and not feel judged or scrutinized.” The downside was having to give interviews to promote his work. “I feel fake,” he said. “And then I feel transparent. And I feel the other person can see that I’m fake.”

“Captain America” has required Mr. Evans to at least tolerate a certain amount of glad-handing and air-kissing; the night before this interview he taped an appearance for Spike TV’s Guys Choice Awards and appeared the night after on the MTV Movie Awards.

But during a European junket for a “Fantastic Four” movie, he said, he became so nervous that he fled a room full of reporters. “No one’s even speaking to me,” he said, “and in a matter of 60 seconds I went from being fine to full meltdown, just stood up and walked offstage.”

When Marvel Studios began casting “Captain America” in late 2009, it did not initially consider Mr. Evans for the title character, a virtuous World War II hero who eventually finds himself in the present day. The presumption was that Mr. Evans was too closely associated with the “Fantastic Four” movies, which performed well at the box office but were critically panned, and had been through the superhero wringer already.

Yet once the studio set its sights on him, persuaded by his performances in movies like Danny Boyle’s 2007 science-fiction film “Sunshine,” it may have come to wish it had forgotten the actor’s name.

Mr. Evans said he resisted a test audition, for which he would have had to sign a pre-emptive deal for as many as nine Marvel movies, including three “Captain America” films and three films for “The Avengers,” about the super group that includes Iron Man, Thor and the Hulk. When Marvel reduced the contract to at most six movies and “sweetened the pot a little bit,” Mr. Evans said no again.

Even after a meeting with the Marvel Studios president, Kevin Feige, and the director of “Captain America,” Joe Johnston, and being shown concept artwork and other designs, Mr. Evans said, he still turned down the offer.

He said his opposition stemmed from a fear of commitment — not just to publicizing a $140 million behemoth like “Captain America” but also to signing away, potentially, a decade of his life. “In a few years what if I don’t want to act anymore?” he said. “What if I just want to — I don’t know — do something else?”

On further reflection Mr. Evans said: “The reason I kept saying no is because I was scared. Maybe this is exactly what I had to do. Maybe this is exactly what I had to face.”

Mr. Feige said Mr. Evans’s “internal debate” over the role did not diminish Marvel’s enthusiasm for him. “He passed to his agent more than his agent passed to us,” Mr. Feige said. “There was always a glimmer of an opening, and we pursued it.” (Mr. Evans ultimately agreed to the six-film contract.)

Mr. Johnston, who had directed “Jurassic Park III” and “Jumanji,” and contributed art design and special effects work to the original “Star Wars” films and “Raiders of the Lost Ark,” said Mr. Evans’s moral quandary showed he was perfectly suited to play Captain America and his alter ego, Steve Rogers.

“Steve Rogers is a guy who, at the heart of it, has a very simple mission,” Mr. Johnston said. “He just wants to serve his country and do the right thing. And Chris comes off as basically a really good human being. He can wear his heart on his sleeve when he needs to.”

After principal filming for “Captain America” wrapped in London in December, Mr. Evans took a short break. He shot some additional footage in New York in April and is spending his summer in Albuquerque making “The Avengers,” which is directed by Joss Whedon and planned for release next summer.

Mr. Evans said he was relieved that “The Avengers” did not rest solely on his shoulders yet felt nervous about working alongside Marvel veterans like Samuel L. Jackson, who plays the secret agent Nick Fury, and Robert Downey Jr., the star of the blockbuster “Iron Man” movies.

Mr. Downey was an early supporter of Mr. Evans, having quietly lobbied Mr. Evans’s agent to keep him from passing on “Captain America."

“I did the Eastern medicine approach,” Mr. Downey explained. “Rather than apply direct pressure, I went to the furthest meridian point.”


The challenges that Mr. Evans faces, Mr. Downey said, are familiar to the profession and all too real: to reconcile his background as an “almost blue-collar Boston Joe” with his Hollywood trajectory; to see “Captain America” keep pace with the successes of “Iron Man” and “Thor”; and to measure up to his acting idols, a feeling Mr. Downey vividly remembered from making the 1989 drama “True Believer” with James Woods. (“If he told me to go eat the camera lens,” Mr. Downey said of Mr. Woods, “I would have.”)

But Mr. Evans will work through these issues, Mr. Downey said, because “he has the main tool, the main arrow in his quiver already, and it’s that he’s communicative.” He added: “How do we all manage our anxiety? By not keeping it a secret.”

Chris Hemsworth, the “Thor” star who was a relative unknown before his Marvel debut became a $400 million worldwide hit this spring, said he and Mr. Evans had talked about their anxiety issues on the “Avengers” set.

“We make the assumption,” Mr. Hemsworth said, “that no one else is going through what we are, and I said, ‘Of course everyone does.’ But any kind of courage or bravery is not about being fearless. It’s about doing it despite the fear.”

From his therapy sessions Mr. Evans learned that “it is really good just to talk about what you’re struggling with,” he said. “It’s not like I had any massive breakthrough, but for some reason this feels more manageable.”

No matter the fate of his on-screen superheroics Mr. Evans will be seen this year in the drama “Puncture,” playing a drug-addicted lawyer, and “What’s Your Number?”, a romantic comedy with Anna Faris.

But have no illusions that anything other than “Captain America” — and a desire not to bungle the handoff to “The Avengers” — will be on Mr. Evans’s mind for the next several weeks. If “Captain America” is a dud, he will be disappointed. And if it succeeds, the next 10 years of his career might be spoken for, and that could be the bigger problem.

“It’s nice job security, but it doesn’t give a whole lot of freedom,” he said. “That’s the compromise, and it’s worth it. These are good problems to be having. It’s not like, poor me, I’m working in the coal mines.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/movies/chris-evans-in-captain-america-the-first-avenger.html

i think this is an AMAZING read.
Speaks volumes about Evans, and I sincerely support him even more after reading what it's been like for him.
A true model of Steve Rogers :awesome:
also, i love what little we see of the BTS relationships!
 
here's something i posted at the cap forum:



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/movies/chris-evans-in-captain-america-the-first-avenger.html

i think this is an AMAZING read.
Speaks volumes about Evans, and I sincerely support him even more after reading what it's been like for him.
A true model of Steve Rogers :awesome:
also, i love what little we see of the BTS relationships!

great interview .... I can only imagine the pressure not ony playing the role but having to deal with everything that comes with it after the fact. I for one would not be able to handle being in the public eye so much, and I give him credit for taking the role anyway dispite being afraid. He sounds like a very humble person, and its because of that reason I know he will do great as captain america because he too is a very humble guy and just wants to do the right thing. :yay:

I also think its pretty cool how hemsworth and rdj talked to him and eased his fears a bit .. like I said I would be terrifed lol
 
I think Thor might offer to lead, but I imagine Thor is the last to come into play. So, that begs who leads prior to Thor coming into the picture? I don't think Widow or Hawkeye have had enough time to warrant leadership early on. So that really leaves either Cap or Stark to begin as leader. I think Stark would want it more at first than Steve. But, Fury may give it to Steve (despite him not wanting it at first). Thus, angry Iron Man, LOL!


Stark is not a drunk in the movies. He got drunk a few times but by no means more of an alcoholic then most folks. Age is irrelevant when it comes to Captain America. Thor is far older then Rogers. By all means Thor is the old man of the group. To go even further, Rogers actually participated in a war unlike Stark. Even Thor himself may not have that experience given the truce in "Thor" until he screwed up.

Iron Man I can see not wanting leadership simply because its not his thing. This is a guy trying to atone for his history and a guy who doesn't have the focus to run his own company. I think he would easily cede to the others but of course not be a yes sir type of guy.

It will be interesting to see though because the Captain America we see in the trailers for first avenger is the new guy. By the time of this movie he may be far more up for leadership that Thor and co will cede to him.
 
Also, Iron Man is only allowed to be a consultant, right???


So I'm thinkin just Fury is the leader, with Cap leading the squad a little bit in the field
 
Do you think they will explore the romance between Cap and Black Widow in the movie?,, or what other romances we can see...
 
I can't wait to see a full size pic of the updated Captain America costume.
 
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Larger versions can be seen on the Hype main page.

Also, some concept art:
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^awesome!

It will be mine, oh yes, it will be mine
 
Wow, that's a great update of the costume. :up:
 
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