DC Film Slate Announced By WB

[Caped Crusader]

I'm happy DC didn't go the way Marvel did. What Marvel did worked perfectly for them. Introducing Batman in the new universe as a seasoned vet is perfect, wouldn't want a whole origin movie again, mostly everyone knows his background story. Long story short.. DC is going about this the right way IMO. The only thing that really sucks for Marvel Studios is not having access to all the heroes & villians

 

[Caped Crusader]

Also I love how Marvel is treating the fans.. Wish DC did something similar. Maybe they will, one day

 

[Mr.M]

Those are stand alone sequels though, not the "Part 1/Part 2" types that function more back-to-back. Those tend to get released no more than a year apart at the most.

I don't think it will be two parts if they release one November 2017. How can it be two parts without any buildup? Besides BvS and WW? You need to have more solo films in between. November 2018 and July 2019 makes more sense. That buys you time to set up some other characters, like Flash and WW. Also think GL should be in there with John Stewart or someone else. Otherwise get Cyborg and Aquaman in there before JL.

Snyder is gonna need more time. November 2018 is the earliest I can see Justice League Part I coming out. Probably summer 2019 is more realistic.

 

[Marvin]

If it were just called Planet of the Apes then it would be branding kinda..yeah like Turtles or Transformers (it would still have to be promoted by someone i.e. voice actors).

Megan Fox is promoting the Turtles, not the guys playing the Turtles. Megan Fox is a known actress with built in appeal. You think if they put Nicole Beharie up there instead of Megan Fox it would do as well?

Actors/actresses are brands too.

Boseman is going to be going against DC(Ben Affleck and British Cavill) and Cameron's Avatar that year.

I never asked about how the title of property like TF or Apes sells the brand. I specifically asked if you think Apes would be in a better position to be sold internationally if the movie was just about apes or if it would be better with a black Franco?
That is, are unknown black actors such a hindrance, that a film like apes would be better ditching the human actor angle if it meant no blacks?

As for Fox being the biggest name and face in Turtles and thus she is promoting it. Yes I get that, however it's not what we are talking about. If you wanted to make it what we are talking about then ask yourself what happens to the promotion if you replace her with Saldana or even Kerri Washington. But again, that's a different issue/matter.

And yes, I understand what Panther has in front of is. I'm certain it won't have GotG's run because of it actually.

 

[Mr.M]

I never asked about how the title of property like TF or Apes sells the brand. I specifically asked if you think Apes would be in a better position to be sold internationally if the movie was just about apes or if it would be better with a black Franco?
That is, are unknown black actors such a hindrance, that a film like apes would be better ditching the human actor angle if it meant no blacks?

As for Fox being the biggest name and face in Turtles and thus she is promoting it. Yes I get that, however it's not what we are talking about. If you wanted to make it what we are talking about then ask yourself what happens to the promotion if you replace her with Saldana or even Kerri Washington. But again, that's a different issue/matter.

And yes, I understand what Panther has in front of is. I'm certain it won't have GotG's run because of it actually.

What the **** are you talking about dude? Not even understanding your points. If you want to have a race discussion then have a proper race discussion.

Marvel slammed it out of the park with Boseman. He is young. Not good, GREAT, looking guy. And he has been targeted many times and has starred in featured roles in the past few years. I don't even understand how unknown black actors even equate to a guy like Boseman. Marvel just needs the right director now.

 

[Marvin]

I'm happy DC didn't go the way Marvel did. What Marvel did worked perfectly for them. Introducing Batman in the new universe as a seasoned vet is perfect, wouldn't want a whole origin movie again, mostly everyone knows his background story. Long story short.. DC is going about this the right way IMO. The only thing that really sucks for Marvel Studios is not having access to all the heroes & villians

Agreed about the first part. However I actually think MCU not having all their properties is a great thing. It's motivating them to look at their lesser titles. I doubt we'd have gotten GotG/Inhumans if they had FF and Xmen in house.

Also I love how Marvel is treating the fans.. Wish DC did something similar. Maybe they will, one day

Not sure how marvel is treating their fans any differently than DC tbh. If you mean the way in which they announced this slate of films, WB hasn't actually done it yet, they made a private call to investors(seems like a pretty responsible way to run a massive business imo), who knows what their plans for the fans actually are. I'd imagine it would involve Comic Con.
Or maybe they'd rather keep things a surprise and give fans 'that sort of experience'.
I'd like to see the Rock and all of them walk out on stage in that sort of setting, seeing as how it's filled with fans of all shapes.

Using a big exclusive song and dance to release your news can be looked at both ways. It's like suggesting SteveJobs Apple was thinking of 'fans' when he organized the expo/events for Iphone##, whereas BlackBerry....

Either way it's pretty fun to watch.

 

[Marvin]

What the **** are you talking about dude? Not even understanding your points. If you want to have a race discussion then have a proper race discussion.

Marvel slammed it out of the park with Boseman. He is young. Not good, GREAT, looking guy. And he has been targeted many times and has starred in featured roles in the past few years. I don't even understand how unknown black actors even equate to a guy like Boseman. Marvel just needs the right director now.

This is such a shame.
Here's a thought, maybe if you don't understand a point made in the middle of a long winded discussion littered with analogies, you either ask what is meant(I supposed you did that) or you go back to the beginning and follow into the subsequent points.
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=29994499&postcount=375

You might be surprised what you find.
"dude".

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I never asked about how the title of property like TF or Apes sells the brand. I specifically asked if you think Apes would be in a better position to be sold internationally if the movie was just about apes or if it would be better with a black Franco?

I said it would do better without a black Franco cause they only thing you'd have to sell it on is the name/brand. You don't need April O'Neal to sell Turtles or Shia for Transformers.

THat's a hard analogy cause it changes the entire movie, but baseline. If you don't like Tom Cruise you won't go see a Tom Cruise TMNT.

That is, are unknown black actors such a hindrance, that a film like apes would be better ditching the human actor angle if it meant no blacks?

Unknown actors are a hinderance in general. That's why your CGI raccoon argument didn't wash. The entire team of GOTG (Bradley Cooper/Vin Diesel/Saldana) was on the press tour.

I said get European actors to surround Boseman.

As for Fox being the biggest name and face in Turtles and thus she is promoting it. Yes I get that, however it's not what we are talking about. If you wanted to make it what we are talking about then ask yourself what happens to the promotion if you replace her with Saldana or even Kerri Washington. But again, that's a different issue/matter.

That's why a qualified my statement with a black man not named Will Smith or Denzel.

 

[combocaz]

New Gods, DCs answer to Inhumans

 

[Caped Crusader]

Agreed about the first part. However I actually think MCU not having all their properties is a great thing. It's motivating them to look at their lesser titles. I doubt we'd have gotten GotG/Inhumans if they had FF and Xmen in house.


Not sure how marvel is treating their fans any differently than DC tbh. If you mean the way in which they announced this slate of films, WB hasn't actually done it yet, they made a private call to investors(seems like a pretty responsible way to run a massive business imo), who knows what their plans for the fans actually are. I'd imagine it would involve Comic Con.
Or maybe they'd rather keep things a surprise and give fans 'that sort of experience'.
I'd like to see the Rock and all of them walk out on stage in that sort of setting, seeing as how it's filled with fans of all shapes.

Using a big exclusive song and dance to release your news can be looked at both ways. It's like suggesting SteveJobs Apple was thinking of 'fans' when he organized the expo/events for Iphone##, whereas BlackBerry....

Either way it's pretty fun to watch.

Just wish the villians could be brought in.. like Galactus & Dr. Doom.

I'm ok with X-Men & Spidey have their own world. Majority of the X-Men movies we have gotten have been great as well.

 

[Mister J]

Given that it's largely between two people, I'm asking that the race discussion either be tabled or moved to PMs. As it stands, the relevance to the larger DC film slate has been obscured.

There is a discussion specific to race/sex in the MCU if of interest.

Back to something more centered on DC's overall plans, when do I get my flipping Fourth World movie?!

 

[Caped Crusader]

Back to something more centered on DC's overall plans, when do I get my flipping Fourth World movie?!

 

[Marvin]

I said it would do better without a black Franco cause they only thing you'd have to sell it on is the name/brand. You don't need April O'Neal to sell Turtles or Shia for Transformers.

Yes, and I personally see no loss in a TF film with no human vs a TF film with a black human when it comes to international audiences, and that's because of the brand. I suppose this is where we agree to disagree.

Unknown actors are a hinderance in general. That's why your CGI raccoon argument didn't wash. The entire team of GOTG (Bradley Cooper/Vin Diesel/Saldana) was on the press tour.

I said get European actors to surround Boseman.

I see how you would think that(the first part) however my point about having as much if not more going for it than GotG wasn't so much about this issue of actors/racism but rather the marvel brand and proximity to avengers. GotG didn't have the 'being featured in Civil War and Avengers 3 precursor spot, knowing rdj and the team' going for it. Panther has it's own 'weapons' that level the playing field so much so that this need for Euro fronts, however helpful isn't needed to actually level that playing field. If you/they want to surround Boseman with whites(as I'm sure is being done with Serkis and such) go for it.

That's why a qualified my statement with a black man not named Will Smith or Denzel.

I know. That's why I said it's a different matter all together this idea of 'big names'.

Just noticed the mod notice.

 

[Mr.M]

This is such a shame.
Here's a thought, maybe if you don't understand a point made in the middle of a long winded discussion littered with analogies, you either ask what is meant(I supposed you did that) or you go back to the beginning and follow into the subsequent points.
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=29994499&postcount=375

You might be surprised what you find.
"dude".

Sorry man, but you weren't articulating it well. I got confused somewhere between "Apes only", "black Franco", and unknown black actors. Read like blacks playing apes with white only actors in the lead. Guess my reading comprehension could be better. Glad we can get off this awkward discussion.

Edit: I'm of the personal belief that you need April O'Niel to sell Turtles to audiences besides kids, so I would say Megan Fox is a bigger draw with the fanboys, while Turtles themselves would be for the kids/family audience. My two cents on that.

 

[CaptainWagner]

So....All the new Marvel films have forums.......When do I get my Aquaman forum? t:

 

[Marvin]

Just wish the villians could be brought in.. like Galactus & Dr. Doom.

I'm ok with X-Men & Spidey have their own world. Majority of the X-Men movies we have gotten have been great as well.

It is a shame about Doom and Galactus.
Oh well, I'm hoping DC realize how lucky they are in this regard and capitalize on what and whom is it they have. 30 years of Luthor...Though I get it for BvS.

 

[Marvin]

Sorry man, but you weren't articulating it well. I got confused somewhere between "Apes only", "black Franco", and unknown black actors. Read like blacks playing apes with white only actors in the lead. Guess my reading comprehension could be better. Glad we can get off this awkward discussion.

Black Franco out of context is sure to ruffle some feathers.

 

[Mr.M]

So....All the new Marvel films have forums.......When do I get my Aquaman forum? t:

The Hype will be too laggy if DC fans had their way. Best to leave all ancillary DC characters in one forum. Mods know this as well. You can't give in, SHH Administrator.

YOU CAN'T GIVE IN!!!!

 

[Destructus86]

I think WB is getting too ahead of themselves announcing so many movies. They need to give BvS a chance first...see how that goes. We don't want another Spider-Man situation. Remember that? Sony had plans for tons of Spidey spin-offs and what not...and then Spidey 2 didn't meet their expectations and now they are sort of quiet on the spin-off front.

WB Needs to wait and see how BvS goes first...and not rush things to try and pull a fast "Marvel."

 

[Mandon Knight]

I think WB is getting too ahead of themselves announcing so many movies. They need to give BvS a chance first...see how that goes. We don't want another Spider-Man situation. Remember that? Sony had plans for tons of Spidey spin-offs and what not...and then Spidey 2 didn't meet their expectations and now they are sort of quiet on the spin-off front.

WB Needs to wait and see how BvS goes first...and not rush things to try and pull a fast "Marvel."

To be fair, DC / WB are in a much stronger position than Sony with the new Spiderman films. WB are more professional in theoir approach, have previous in how to correctly handle comic book films, and have thought this through. Sony went with a knee jewrk reaction to the demise of Raimi's relationship with them and jumped straight into a new 'vision', believing they had a plan, they clearly didn't, and Arad meddles way too much in the productions. WB clearly have faith in Snyder and what he is launching and looking at directors that will add value to their films.

WB have clearly had a plan all these years and have been patient in it's execuation.

 

[mclay18]

I do think WB will shift some of their DC movies around to counteract Marvel's "all in" announcement of their Phase 3 films. Or they could just leave them as they are.

If they really wanted to, they could also release JL1 on March 23, 2018 and JL2 on April 5, 2019. They already have Snyder locked in to direct, and Terrio penning the script. They'd probably have to renegotiate Cavill and Affleck's contracts for additional films, but they'd be less costly than RDJ's deal at Marvel.

 

[Marvin]

I think WB is getting too ahead of themselves announcing so many movies. They need to give BvS a chance first...see how that goes. We don't want another Spider-Man situation. Remember that? Sony had plans for tons of Spidey spin-offs and what not...and then Spidey 2 didn't meet their expectations and now they are sort of quiet on the spin-off front.

WB Needs to wait and see how BvS goes first...and not rush things to try and pull a fast "Marvel."

Gone are the days of WB is making things up as they go and no plan it seems. You are right about the sony situation(which is probably why WB didn't actually announce this stuff), but still, which ever way they go about it, they encounter criticism.

The wait and see approach is probably what they've always done.

They'd probably have to renegotiate Cavill and Affleck's contracts for additional films, but they'd be less costly than RDJ's deal at Marvel.

If they plan on doing that, it's better they do it early before dude has bargaining chips and such. RDJ supposedly is in the position now where if a sequel he's in does better than it's predecessor, he get's a bonus. Speculation but still, pretty crafty.

 

[Caped Crusader]

Terrio is the X factor.. IMO

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Terrio is writing the JL movies too ??

 

[Boy Scout]

That's the rumor.