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both... but the show was terrible lol
And it was very good in the books? Wonder why they mucked it up.
both... but the show was terrible lol
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We don't see Euron again this season lol
For real? Have to find the room for the Riverlands, the Hound and the Tarlys I guess, now if they said I wouldn't be seeing Mereen and King's Landing again then I'd be set.
I'd say he was foreshadowed more than "a bit", as Dany's entire arc with the Warlocks was basically a precursor to his appearance and his role in her life. The reason why he wasn't introduced before Tywin Lannister is pretty simple IMO; Tywin was the purely human/political big bad of the first part of the story and he had to be the big thing the Starks, Baratheons, and even his own children had to struggle against.
But we're now at the point where things are shifting to the magical and Euron is a reflection of that, he's somewhat familiar in the sense that he's a Greyjoy from a familiar place in Westeros, but he's clearly connected to a lot of supernatural goings on and will be important for the story as it moves from the transition stage of human v human, into human v undead. Everything in the books points to him being the last great challenge for Dany and Tyrion and most everyone below the Neck and in the East. That's a massive character, not just "Oh hey my long lost uncle is back". It was akin to this thing coming from across the sea with lovecraftian intentions for some of these characters that we have, as you so eloquently stated, "followed for 3000 pages".
And the way I see it, Euron in his show depiction was getting towards the Sand Snake area. You have a character in the books who talks of madness and horror and his megalomaniacal schemes for the world, yet in the show he's a guy who couldn't stop making dick jokes and spouts off lines like "Let's go kill my niece and nephew." It's such a poor depiction, especially when the major aspect of the character is how utterly unlike the Ironborn he is. Their culture is based on apathy towards the suffering of others, whereas Euron is a sadist who deliberately revels in it. He's basically Balon 2.0 here, and it's a wonder why they didn't just make use of Patrick Malahide or alternatively cut the plotline out completely from their version of the show (as it was clear they intended going by Season 4)
It's just a waste, that's what I'm saying. Its a character that has weight and relevance in the books and could have been used beautifully if the show wanted really go there. But they didn't fully commit to the character or the storyline, so we've now got something that honestly feels like an added wrinkle. I mean you're saying that you hated all of the newer material introduced in the 4th and 5th books, well this is basically the same thing only without the proper weight that it has in the book format. The show would have been much better if it just stuck to its guns and went ahead with the streamlined, Daario navy they introduced in Season 4. We've only got something like 17 episodes left to tie things up and this isn't helping things.
I see. Btw who is the main Martell character that was cut?Reaction to Dorne in the books is mixed, but I think most appreciated that storyline more so than the show depiction. It mostly came down to the fact that the Martells aren't as violent or eager to murder children as they are in the show, and that the main Martell character and POV was cut from the show.
Granted, I can understand why they weren't going to use Dorne originally. It mostly serves to supplement another storyline that the show didn't adapt. They needed to take Jaime out of King's Landing for Cersei's downfall with the Faith, and Bryan Cogman one of the writers, suggested that he go to Dorne so that they could build off the excitement people had for Oberyn in Season 4. It came together very late in the production.
I see. Btw who is the main Martell character that was cut?
Oh right thanks. Also which book(s) are we talking about here? I will probably dive back in after this season is finished.Quentin, and thank god, he was one of the most pointless POV characters in the book.
Oh right thanks. Also which book(s) are we talking about here? I will probably dive back in after this season is finished.
Great, thanks.He was book 5.
Great, thanks.
Maybe that's why he's having such a hard job finishing the series up!No problem sir.
But yeah, Quentin was the height of a pointless character in GRRM's writing, at least to me. Luckily he didn't have too many chapters, but I still have no idea why GRRM included him. If it was to show the foolishness of trying to live out or embody the classic heroisms associated with these kinds of medieval tales...we as readers already had that point hammered home to us from the first book. If it was to show that Danny had a connection to Dorne and that she had been promised to marry into one of the powerful houses, hell why not do that through a raven? And if it was to get the dragons released, that could have been done in a plethora of ways that didn't involve creating a new POV character to do it. Quentin was really when I realized GRRM was veering into Robert Jordan territory and making things needlessly long winded.
Maybe that's why he's having such a hard job finishing the series up!
This happens to me too when I write and it becomes impossible to finish something without veering off on 15 different tangents. And given how much there is going on in GoT I can see how he would get into that mess. Plus with all these years past and all this hype built up there would be so much pressure to deliver perfection that I can see why he would keep putting it off.I honestly do think he's gotten to the point where he's become too wrapped up in his world to focus on completing the plot. It's like, if you had told GRRM to write out the Alphabet, he wrote it out to about N, and then decided to go back and rewrite all the letters in lower case, and then rewrite those letters again in different fonts. And I think it's because he doesn't know how to get from N to X, because we know he already has X, Y, Z figured out, but now he's gotten too caught up in his pretty penmanship to just finish the damn alphabet already.
This happens to me too when I write and it becomes impossible to finish something without veering off on 15 different tangents. And given how much there is going on in GoT I can see how he would get into that mess. Plus with all these years past and all this hype built up there would be so much pressure to deliver perfection that I can see why he would keep putting it off.
True.Yeah, and let's be real, he wasn't exactly a fast writer before the show was a mega hit and he had all this pressure. So I'm not exactly surprised that he's become even slower.
And all that aside, the guy isn't getting any younger, so he's not likely to speed up with age either.
I bet with all those fan theories out there, there's a chance someone has covered this shock. Although I guess stuff like the Hodor origin wouldn't really be predictable however much people theorised as it's a bit too specific.George R.R. Martin revealed 3 huge shocks to Game of Thrones producers
During the producers sit down with the author in Santa Fe two years ago, Martin famously sketched out a very rough plan of how he intends to end his saga in the books. Showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss tell EW those conversations included three holy sh moments in particular.
The first: Stannis Barathon sacrificing his daughter Shireen which was shown during the shows fifth season.
The second: Hodors mind-bending origin story, which was revealed in Sundays hour. Martin has known the true meaning behind Hodors name since introducing the character in the first novel of the saga, A Game of Thrones.
And the third shocking moment?
is from the very end , Benioff teased.
And the third shocking moment?
is from the very end , Benioff teased.
I wouldn't say George is feeling too down, he knew this was coming for a long time. The bloke isn't stupid, he made a choice to labour over his writing and knew the risk.
The only thing that would concern me is that George always struck me as someone who reveled in swerving his readers, so I'd be worried he'd sacrifice his original vision for the sake of providing a shock.