Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Marvel united]

These are absolutely gorgeous

Speaking of Apocalypse. If it turns out Sinister did helped Hydra, what if he found about the Stones from Apocalypse? I mean doesn't Apocalypse has ties to them from the comics?

Also imagine if everything that has happened so far in the MCU is all part of Apocalypse's long game plan, and while Fury&Co are preparing for the next Thanos level attack in space the real level attack is secretly on Earth the whole time, and he had Fury&Co chased after red herrings because it was part of the plan to take Earth.

As for Apocalypse maybe do something similar to what Evolution,did with him?

Absolutely. Sinister is a master planner and he's likely been involved in various events throughout the MCU's history

The Hydra thing could work really well. Especially if they tie the X-Gene to the Infinity stones. The groundwork is already there with the whole "Age of miracles" thing Strucker had going on in TWS/AOU. Who knows how long they've been doing these experiments, searching for "special people". It's definitely something Sinister would be involved in

 

[CaptainWagner]

I feel like Sinister can be integrated into a Hellfire Club plot as someone pulling the strings and manipulating Shaw and Frost against each other to get what he wants. And then once the veil is pulled back on him, that starts the inevitable lead-in to finally getting a proper take on Apocalypse.

What are some of the non-Bryan Cranston fancasts for him? And would you all rather take the more stoic villain route or see the personality he's taken on in more recent comics?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

For years I’ve always wondered, the black lady in the left corner with Gambit and Jean Grey, who is that? Stevie Hunter?

ETA: could just be a random character Jim Lee drew. Looks like Beast and Iceman are entertaining groupies too.

Celia Reyes?

Hard to tell.

Lee, for all his talent as a draftsman has a limited number of facial types to draw upon.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

For years I’ve always wondered, the black lady in the left corner with Gambit and Jean Grey, who is that? Stevie Hunter?

ETA: could just be a random character Jim Lee drew. Looks like Beast and Iceman are entertaining groupies too.

That was my quess as well, but I don't think she was really around very much during that time period so it feels like an odd choice.

This is great stuff. You could totally build an X-Men franchise and Scott's character around this (especially if Sinister is the main villain as many want him to be). It is a lot, for sure. But that's why you don't pack it all into the first movie. You slowly reveal this information over the course of the films

Scott at his core is someone who searches for purpose, for meaning, for family. And he finds all three in the X-Men. And he feels fulfilled.. But there's something missing. He feels content but he doesn't feel whole.

So imagine the shocker it would be to him to learn that not only was Sinister responsible for orchestrating almost every major event in his life after the plane crash, but also that his father is ALIVE. And he knew Scott was on Earth all this time and he never came back for him... Due to his own cowardice. And to top it all off, Xavier knew about *all* of this.

It could be a huge reckoning and reveal to him, as well as us (especially if, and I keep stressing this becuz it's hugely important, we are along for the ride with him, and discovering this information as he does)
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This is great material for Scott, Jean (as she'd be tied into this) and Sinister. And as universeman says, it's uncharted territory, it's fresh. It's something MS could plan out over multiple films


I'm pretty sure that's meant to be Cecilia

Nah that can’t be Cecilia. She didn’t come around until 1997 and Jim Lee did that postcard in 1991.

And I’m right there with you wanting the Summers drama with Sinister.

Stevie Hunter it is then?

And Ofc we have to think about where Sinister logically leads... Which is Apocalypse. Hopefully by the time theu get to him, the character will feel fresh again

Memory jog... It's Stevie Hunter.

She came back for a hot minute at the tale end of Claremont's classic run. When Shadow King has control of Colossus and tries to use him to kill Charles Stevie is at the mansion and helps Charles to evade Pete and eventually free him from Shadow King's power. She was SUPER in the background but she was around for the formation of Blue and Gold teams. What Claremont would have done is anyone's guess. She was also still a minor supporting character for those issues Byrne wrote in the immediate absence of Claremont but after that I'm hazier as to what she was used as in later stories. She had the strongest connections to Kitty and the New Mutants but at that time Kitty was over in Excalibur and the New Mutants were transitioning to Liefeld's original X-Force so I think she got lost in the shuffle.

Which is a shame. I think there is a dearth of the POV of the regular everyday (In other words not secret agents for sci if government organizations, not billionaire industrialists, not politicians, comic book styled scientists, time travelers from the future or similar... Regular people.) human allies in the X franchise. There has to be more to the public' reaction to Mutants than JUST bigotry and fear or being nameless, faceless props in the background of the Mutant's soap opera psychodramatics for the heroes to save.


A part of that I attribute to the strong way the X-men themes resonate with the real world and its history of bigotry of varying stripes. "Who wants to hear the oppressors' side of the story? Even if they are allies those characters are not representing the experience of the group this story is about." And true enough, humanity is "the oppressor here. Still... I feel this is an example where the analogy to racism or Anti-LGBTQ breaks down A LOT. Unless the bigots are wrong (Spoiler alert.... They are wrong.) a single young lesbian girl arriving in your home town will not portend its imminent destruction. No matter how hard that girl tries even if she wanted to she's not razing that town to the ground... Or turning its inhabitants' brains into a puréed goo with a gesture, or transmute all the oxygen into chlorine gas or create a nuclear detonation from nothing at the center of town square.

With a Mutant the destruction of everything any reasonable person could be assumed to hold dear is an actual possibility not just paranoid fantasia.
I think writers could do a better job of making the "normal" human POV more well defined in the franchise outside of pure bigoted hatred or merely being a prop for the spectacle.

 

[universeman]

Absolutely. Sinister is a master planner and he's likely been involved in various events throughout the MCU's history

The Hydra thing could work really well. Especially if they tie the X-Gene to the Infinity stones. The groundwork is already there with the whole "Age of miracles" thing Strucker had going on in TWS/AOU. Who knows how long they've been doing these experiments, searching for "special people". It's definitely something Sinister would be involved in

Yep.

Yes, and since the Wakanda Files revealed Hydra choose Pietro and Wanda because they had the correct genetic markets for the experiment, and genetics being Sinister's main thing I feel like that could be a big hint/clue to Sinister.

Plus so far almost every rumor for MCU X-Men has

Spoiler

Sinister as the in the shadows secret master mind villain, and one rumor with Sinister has the Savage Land.

 

[SumT]

I feel like Sinister can be integrated into a Hellfire Club plot as someone pulling the strings and manipulating Shaw and Frost against each other to get what he wants. And then once the veil is pulled back on him, that starts the inevitable lead-in to finally getting a proper take on Apocalypse.

What are some of the non-Bryan Cranston fancasts for him? And would you all rather take the more stoic villain route or see the personality he's taken on in more recent comics?

Jon Hamm was my choice a few years ago.

but I also thought Richard Armitage would be a really good choice when I saw him in Hannibal show. That character he played there gave me Mr. Sinister hands down and he has a particular way of acting/looking through the eyes that gives me "villain" and dark character. That and I thought he would look really good with the white make up and all.

 

[Jordacar]

Sinister would make a great fit to the Hellfire Club, I'm surprised that none of the adaptations have given it a try.

 

[Marvel united]

Memory jog... It's Stevie Hunter.

She came back for a hot minute at the tale end of Claremont's classic run. When Shadow King has control of Colossus and tries to use him to kill Charles Stevie is at the mansion and helps Charles to evade Pete and eventually free him from Shadow King's power. She was SUPER in the background but she was around for the formation of Blue and Gold teams. What Claremont would have done is anyone's guess. She was also still a minor supporting character for those issues Byrne wrote in the immediate absence of Claremont but after that I'm hazier as to what she was used as in later stories. She had the strongest connections to Kitty and the New Mutants but at that time Kitty was over in Excalibur and the New Mutants were transitioning to Liefeld's original X-Force so I think she got lost in the shuffle.

Which is a shame. I think there is a dearth of the POV of the regular everyday (In other words not secret agents for sci if government organizations, not billionaire industrialists, not politicians, comic book styled scientists, time travelers from the future or similar... Regular people.) human allies in the X franchise. There has to be more to the public' reaction to Mutants than JUST bigotry and fear or being nameless, faceless props in the background of the Mutant's soap opera psychodramatics for the heroes to save.


A part of that I attribute to the strong way the X-men themes resonate with the real world and its history of bigotry of varying stripes. "Who wants to hear the oppressors' side of the story? Even if they are allies those characters are not representing the experience of the group this story is about." And true enough, humanity is "the oppressor here. Still... I feel this is an example where the analogy to racism or Anti-LGBTQ breaks down A LOT. Unless the bigots are wrong (Spoiler alert.... They are wrong.) a single young lesbian girl arriving in your home town will not portend its imminent destruction. No matter how hard that girl tries even if she wanted to she's not razing that town to the ground... Or turning its inhabitants' brains into a puréed goo with a gesture, or transmute all the oxygen into chlorine gas or create a nuclear detonation from nothing at the center of town square.

With a Mutant the destruction of everything any reasonable person could be assumed to hold dear is an actual possibility not just paranoid fantasia.
I think writers could do a better job of making the "normal" human POV more well defined in the franchise outside of pure bigoted hatred or merely being a prop for the spectacle.

The X-Men need to take full advantage of the MCU's character driven approach. That entails how they interact with the humans in their lives. It's ridiculous to frame humanity in such a caricaturistic light wnen hate is such a complex emotion... It just severely limits the type of story you can tell with these themes

And this ties back into my idea for Jean. Rooting her character in religion (more specifically Christianity). Not only does it add that needed depth to her character, but it's also a great way to explore relevent themes in a less... Controversial/Caricaturistic manner.

Jean's parents could initially fear mutants, buying into the conservative propaganda machine. But the parents could have an arc over the films of accepting their daughter as they see the good she's doing with the X-Men. They become allies as a juxtaposition to someone like Stryker

The X-Men should have allies. I don't want to believe Magneto or the Brotherhood are 100% right. The X-Men should have legtimate ground to stand on that disproves their monolithic notions about humanity. There should be humans who stand with them

 

[Iceman]

I feel like Sinister can be integrated into a Hellfire Club plot as someone pulling the strings and manipulating Shaw and Frost against each other to get what he wants. And then once the veil is pulled back on him, that starts the inevitable lead-in to finally getting a proper take on Apocalypse.

What are some of the non-Bryan Cranston fancasts for him? And would you all rather take the more stoic villain route or see the personality he's taken on in more recent comics?

Could be an interesting way to introduce and link all those villain over the course of a number of films. I definitely don't want Hellfire Club as a one and done. I'd like to see them exist as part of the MCU X-Men world (enriching it) for a while before their final plans are executed.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Sinister and Apocalypse make me wonder what will be set up for the Mutants and those two characters especially in the Eternals?

If they take any inspiration from the books and given how the next big franchise along with FF is the X-Men next on deck for the MCU you'd expect some breadcrumbs, again, if anything from the books in regards to those two chararters is adapted in a large part.

 

[Iceman]

Sinister and Apocalypse make me wonder what will be set up for the Mutants and those two characters especially in the Eternals?

If they take any inspiration from the books and given how the next big franchise along with FF is the X-Men next on deck for the MCU you'd expect some breadcrumbs, again, if anything from the books in regards to those two chararters is adapted in a large part.

The Eternals is a great opportunity to start dripfeeding us hints of what is to come on the X-Men front, and hints at least towards both of these villains would also be a good fit. I think the X-Men will become the MCU's biggest franchise along with the Avengers, including multiple spin offs and series/shows.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The Eternals is a great opportunity to start dripfeeding us hints of what is to come on the X-Men front, and hints at least towards both of these villains would also be a good fit. I think the X-Men will become the MCU's biggest franchise along with the Avengers, including multiple spin offs and series/shows.

It really is a unique thing. The X-Men is getting a "franchise of franchises" into the MCU with maybe the most spin-off potential of anything, more than Spidey, more than the FF. Multiple teams, multiple solo heroes and multiple settings. There's even stuff like Starjammers that can be totally seperate in terms of story and themes from the X-Men mythos that can be capitalized on.

 

[Marvel united]

I feel like Sinister can be integrated into a Hellfire Club plot as someone pulling the strings and manipulating Shaw and Frost against each other to get what he wants. And then once the veil is pulled back on him, that starts the inevitable lead-in to finally getting a proper take on Apocalypse.

What are some of the non-Bryan Cranston fancasts for him? And would you all rather take the more stoic villain route or see the personality he's taken on in more recent comics?

Sinister could have his hands in a lot of different cookie jars and the Hellfire Club is a natural fit for him

Characterization wise? I want him to be terrifying. Pure nightmare fuel. When a character wakes up in his lab, there should be a sense of dread that washes over the audience. He takes perverse joy in what is about to happen next

Casting wise, I think Cillian Murphy would be a good choice

Could be an interesting way to introduce and link all those villain over the course of a number of films. I definitely don't want Hellfire Club as a one and done. I'd like to see them exist as part of the MCU X-Men world (enriching it) for a while before their final plans are executed.

The great thing about the MCU is that there are multiple storytelling avenues. World building can be done in various films and TV shows. Even in between XM films, the universe is getting fleshed out

And I definitely agree that the X-Men will eventually become the center of the MCU... Not unlike how the Avengers dominated Phase 1-3.

 

[Iceman]

Disney have officially told investors (one group you can’t lie to) that Disney + is going to be the main focus going forward, so content is key. They need both quality and quantity (an area where they are behind rivals on non-animated films and shows). So now as with other steaming rivals, they will be maximising use of any IPs and X-Men is one of the best when it comes to the number of underlying products you could create from one franchise.

What we would have imagined as possible with a series of films building up to something bigger like we had in the past with culminations in Avengers, Infinity War and Endgame can be enhanced even further with multiple series also launching every year. If Disney are planning for say 6 series a year when they get to peak production, I don’t think it would be unrealistic if 2 of those were X-Men related. If you’re getting that much additional content there is a lot more you can do to enrich and bring the universe of the X-Men to life. Could be great times ahead for X-Men fans (post virus effects) who have been used to a Fox film every few years without full commitment and backing from their own studio.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Disney have officially told investors (one group you can’t lie to) that Disney + is going to be the main focus going forward, so content is key. They need both quality and quantity (an area where they are behind rivals on non-animated films and shows). So now as with other steaming rivals, they will be maximising use of any IPs and X-Men is one of the best when it comes to the number of underlying products you could create from one franchise.

What we would have imagined as possible with a series of films building up to something bigger like we had in the past with culminations in Avengers, Infinity War and Endgame can be enhanced even further with multiple series also launching every year. If Disney are planning for say 6 series a year when they get to peak production, I don’t think it would be unrealistic if 2 of those were X-Men related. If you’re getting that much additional content there is a lot more you can do to enrich and bring the universe of the X-Men to life. Could be great times ahead for X-Men fans (post virus effects) who have been used to a Fox film every few years without full commitment and backing from their own studio.

You start with the core team on the big-screen and expand the world through Disney+ series. This avoids a lot of exposition that would otherwise be required in the movies. For example, between the first two movies, we could have "Wolverine," "Gambit and Rogue," and a third focused on Scott and Jean investigating the Hellfire Club. All of those can introduce key new characters and also build-up Sinister (through involvement with Weapon X, Mystique's Brotherhood and the H.C.) as well as the legend-status of Magneto.

 

[universeman]

Guys Kirby Morrow who voiced Cyclops from Evolution has died.

 

[MbJ]

 

[Detective Conan]

Guys Kirby Morrow who voiced Cyclops from Evolution has died.

Both him and Norm Spencer(who played Cyclops in the 90’s cartoon) died this year.

 

[MbJ]

 

[Marvel united]

LET'S GET ITTT!

Guys Kirby Morrow who voiced Cyclops from Evolution has died.

Yes, I saw the news yesterday. He also voiced Goku in Dragon Ball Z. Kirby was a staple of my childhood and my prayers are with his family. Wayyyy too young.

Both him and the Norm Spencer(who played Cyclops in the 90’s cartoon) died this year.

This as well... 2020 just keeps being on that BS

 

[MbJ]

Damn shame. He wasn't even 50 yet either. Poor guy.

 

[CaptainWagner]

So stoked to finally get news on this! Can't wait to see where it goes. It definitely seems like it won't be connected more than referentially to the MCU X-Men, though, which is honestly fine by me. Deadpool works best doing his own thing.

 

[Detective Conan]

I still lean towards Hugh Jackman coming back to play MCU Wolverine. Maybe Wolverine and mutants don’t exist in the MCU but they immigrate to the MCU earth traveling through the multiverse in Doctor Strange 2. How does anyone here feel about this idea?

 

[BobJM]

I still lean towards Hugh Jackman coming back to play MCU Wolverine. Maybe Wolverine and mutants don’t exist in the MCU but they immigrate to the MCU earth traveling through the multiverse in Doctor Strange 2. How does anyone here feel about this idea?

I don't like the idea that those versions of the characters travel through the multiverse to get the MCU, but I had floated the idea a few pages back now that the Fox actors (or just the good ones) could return to reprise their roles in MCU-version of the same characters. (retconning that the Fox Universe was just another of the infinite alternate realities of the multiverse--but the characters/actors themselves look the same across the realities). But the idea wasn't too well-received.

 

[BobJM]

A fresh take is probably for the best though.