Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 58

[kguillou]

I’m getting unhealthily hyped for MoM as we get closer. That Iluminati scene…that scene alone i think is going to break the internet and will have tongues wagging for months.

Also, the more I think about it, the more certain I feel that the MCU X-men are going to be born out of the events of this movie and...I think its going to be tied to the upcoming X-Men '97 cartoon. Think about it, guys. Why now? Why is this cartoon been resurrected now? Feige doesn't do anything haphazardly, there's always a larger plan at work for these things. I have to believe there's a reason why a cartoon that's nearly 30 years old is coming back NOW of all times, that they didn't just arbitrarily decide one day "hey, why not, lets bring this show back." There's a bigger reason and purpose behind it.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

No way Home hasn’t held up for me. I mean, Strange’s motivation to put the entire multiverse in danger makes even less sense now. As is his mental and physical nerfing so Spider-Man can trap him with basic math.

But that aspect never help up. Without the nostalgic rush of seeing the spider-men interacting taking your my attention, I now see how muddy and underwhelming the climactic action sequence was. The best fights are with Doc Ock in the beginning and Goblin in the apartment. Nothing in the poorly lit final battle even comes close.

Also, the villains interacting in the basement were pure cringe. Especially the ones with Jamie Fox. Not nearly as natural or snappy as the Parker interactions. They stick out like a sore thumb. Some Saturday morning cartoon level interactions there.

 

[Ninjablade]

When I say, it looks gross and unnatural, I don't mean it looks that way stylistically. The first Insidious film looks gross and unnatural, but that was a stylistic choice. I don't think that was premeditative choice in this case. The color scheme of the movie would've been decided pre-shooting, and it looks like someone changed it after they finished shooting. So, everything was lit for that boring MCU in-house look, and some of it isn't being graded to match it. Looks a little amateurish.

I am only talking about what appears to be a handful of scenes though. I don't think the whole film is poorly graded.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I’m getting unhealthily hyped for MoM as we get closer. That Iluminati scene…that scene alone i think is going to break the internet and will have tongues wagging for months.

Also, the more I think about it, the more certain I feel that the MCU X-men are going to be born out of the events of this movie and...I think its going to be tied to the upcoming X-Men '97 cartoon. Think about it, guys. Why now? Why is this cartoon been resurrected now? Feige doesn't do anything haphazardly, there's always a larger plan at work for these things. I have to believe there's a reason why a cartoon that's nearly 30 years old is coming back NOW of all times, that they didn't just arbitrarily decide one day "hey, why not, lets bring this show back." There's a bigger reason and purpose behind it.

Yeah they'll tie X-Men '97 into the greater MCU somehow. Just like they did with What If?

But as long as mutants aren't plucked from branches of the multiverse and then placed into the mainline MCU, I'll be happy with whatever way they introduce them. Just give us new blood, fresh faces, no rehashing things that didn't work in the Fox canon, and they'll be fine.

Taking some cues from X-Men TAS would be best anyway, IMO.

 

[kguillou]

Yup. X-Men '97 isn't just some random revival of an old cartoon. It plays a role in the MCU, bet on it.

 

[Batgirl0202]

I think MoM is so hotly anticipated, both by us and the GA, because of what it represents in the bigger picture.

This is the first time since 2019 that the summer movie season feels like it's kicking off in a 'normal' way since the pandemic began. We've been conditioned to see a big Marvel movie kick off the season, and MoM represents a tentative return to the norm. I think everyone is craving some normalcy right about now.

In many ways, MoM has a lot riding on its shoulders. The movie's perceived success will set the tone, as well as establish baseline expectations, for the rest of the scheduled summer blockbuster releases. I'm hoping it does at least $1 billion worldwide. Losing China will definitely hurt but NWH and Joker proved that CBMs can still hit that $1 billion threshold without it.

The absence of Russia will hurt a bit too. But to put things into perspective, Russia/CIS added $42 million to NWH's bottom line. A significant number for sure, but not enough to prevent MoM from hitting $1 billion if it performs roughly half as well as NWH. Saudi Arabia and Egypt aren't big enough markets to damage MoM's box office significantly.

Fingers crossed

Movie theater owners are optimistic ticket sales can continue to recover as the key summer season approaches

 

[Drizzle]

As I wrote in the Thor forum the issue with BRB right now is that we've already had a bunch of picking up Mjolnir and getting Thor's power so unless they change his character he risks feeling like repetition of what we've already seen in Thor's two latest appearances (plus a couple of examples earlier of lifting Mjolnir). BRB isn't any worse than the other cases but they can't use that gimmick in every Thor appearance and even the comics have spaced these events out quite a bit.

If he's used he must be done so it feels like he's bringing something that no other character already has, otherwise they are doing him a disservice.

Yeah, I get that. In hindsight, I kind of wish that they never had Vision lift Mjolnir in Age of Ultron. They wanted that "HOLY ****!" moment from the fans and it's a fun moment but it really has no bearing on the plot and is essentially just part of a running gag. There were other ways for Vision to prove the team could trust him. Vision not being able to lift it would have actually made Cap lifting it in Endgame even more of a showstopper than it was and you'd also have one less character that's able to lift it within the MCU canon.

 

[henzINNIT]

Vision lifting the hammer was a stroke of genius tbh. I can think of no better way to sell the quality of Vision's character, it was both efficient and indesputable. I don't think it took anything away from the pay-off of Cap lifting it later. Wasn't on my mind in the moment at least.

 

[Zarex]

I keep forgetting that Sif is in Love and Thunder. I think there’s room for Beta Ray Bill in the movie though as a “secret character”. I say that because when you look at the character roster (without spoilers of course), the only important new characters that we know about are Gorr and Zeus. The Guardians alone make up a huge chunk of the cast and they’re probably out of the movie in the first 15 minutes.

BRB is overdue at this point. I really hope Taika stays on for at least one more Thor film, and if he does I think we’d get BRB by then (unless he happens to not like the character for some reason.)

I think we can safely rule that out given his "cameo" in Ragnarok.

BRB seems tailor-made for a director like Taika and I think he would have included him in Ragnarok, but much like Adam Warlock they didn't have room for him pre-Infinity War/Endgame MCU.

I'm not going to hold out hope that he's in Love and Thunder just in case he isn't (I learned my lesson there with the whole Mephisto/WandaVision ordeal) but I at least feel confident in saying he'll make his MCU debut in a Thor project helmed by Taika, whether it's this or a potential Thor 5. I have no worries that he'd be able to bring the character to life perfectly, but the bigger question is who will play him? I'm sure I wasn't alone in speculating that before he was confirmed as Gorr that Christian Bale might have been Bill. Now THAT would have been some insane casting.

As I wrote in the Thor forum the issue with BRB right now is that we've already had a bunch of picking up Mjolnir and getting Thor's power so unless they change his character he risks feeling like repetition of what we've already seen in Thor's two latest appearances (plus a couple of examples earlier of lifting Mjolnir). BRB isn't any worse than the other cases but they can't use that gimmick in every Thor appearance and even the comics have spaced these events out quite a bit.

If he's used he must be done so it feels like he's bringing something that no other character already has, otherwise they are doing him a disservice.

In her final act as The Mighty Thor, Jane will hurl Mjolnir into the heavens. Then in the post credit scene a horse faced alien defending his villagers from an invading army will pick up the hammer.

I completely nailed the Ferris Bueller homage in the Deadpool post credit scene, so my track record on post credit scenes ain't bad. I could see BRB eventually joining a powerhouse new GOTG squad with Adam Warlock, Mantis, Moondragon, Pip and Eros.

 

[Detective Conan]

Ah yes that’s totally a reasonable non-contrived explanation for a major plot hole.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Yeah when Steppenwolf went "DARKSEID I FOUND THE ANTI-LIFE EQUATION IT'S ON EARTH! " I was like wait...He already found the Anti-Life equation before and got his ass kicked for the like first time when he tried to claim it. You'd think he would remember that

 

[Ninjablade]

Yeah when Steppenwolf went "DARKSEID I FOUND THE ANTI-LIFE EQUATION IT'S ON EARTH! " I was like wait...He already found the Anti-Life equation before and got his ass kicked for the like first time when he tried to claim it. You'd think he would remember that

Well according to Snyder, when he went back to Apokolips there was a war. So, a lot of time had passed so he forgot, as one does, and everyone else that knew where the planet was was slayed

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[Marvel united]

I have the same experience each time I rewatch the original trilogy too

I still remember watching the first one on video when it was first released. It just blew me away, watching these characters I knew so well from the comics and TAS, translated to live action. It was almost a religious experience...

I remember thinking when Logan was first introduced that "this IS Wolverine". It didn't feel like I was watching an actor playing a role. I could barely understand how they were able to take the Wolvie I knew from the comics and transplant him right onto my TV screen in flesh & blood form haha...

I still enjoy most of the Fox-Men movies to this day, The only one I can't warm to is Wolverine Origins, and even that one I don't think is the worst movie ever made. And don't even get me started on the Raimi Spider-Man movies. They had an even more profound affect on my young mind, if that's even possible

I felt the same way. Like the movie was a "real" translation of who these characters would be in real life. That's one thing I will give Singer credit for, all of his characters felt real,grounded in real emotion.

Don't even get me started on Wolverine Origins I remember when the workprint cut of the film leaked all over the Internet, and people were clowning it left & right. I didn't want to believe the movie was bad, I was in complete denial. So I saw the film on opening night, right after my HS graduation (yayyy), with a massive group of friends to celebrate...

And let me just say, I've never been more embarrassed by a film in my life. Worst commencement gift ever!

This has been on my mind all weekend, but for some reason, I really want Morgan Freeman to be the voice of MCU Galactus.

Picture it, New York City, 20whatever:

"Your time is up, Herald..."

I need this

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Yeah when Steppenwolf went "DARKSEID I FOUND THE ANTI-LIFE EQUATION IT'S ON EARTH! " I was like wait...He already found the Anti-Life equation before and got his ass kicked for the like first time when he tried to claim it. You'd think he would remember that

I watched the Snyder Cut fairly recently and don't remember anything about Darkseid finding his target, I just remember a Fellowship of the Ring styled prologue of groups who don't normally trust each other in war against Mr. omega beams.

 

[titansupes]

Grains of salt out people, but none of this sounds implausible.



1. while the project was originally intended to be a period piece, the final draft submitted by Coates recently is not a period piece

2. It's not about a black superman being a victim of racism, rather it uses Superman's alien heritage as a parallel to racism. They are, however going through with colorblind casting.

3. Superman is heavily nerfed, being taken back to his golden age roots. He can no longer fly, but he can instead "leap tall buildings in a single bound", He also lacks heat vision, frost breath and x-ray vision. He's also described as moving at Mach 7

4. They do have descriptions of the characters in the script which gives away their races.
Lois Lane is written with an Asian Actress in mind
Perry White is written as an African American man
and Jimmy Olsen is described as a freckled redhead (no racebending with Jimmy)

5. The Film is currently utilizing The golden age version of The Ultra-Humanite as the main antagonist although this may change. At no point in the story does he use the Albino Gorilla body.

6. The script is rather long, clocking in at 165 pages. This may be due to the fact that the film is being written as an awards contender rather than a regular Superhero film. It portrays Superman as a champion of the opressed. The government hates him but the people love him.

7. The film is a love letter to Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster's original comics. It also has a dedication to them. Pa Kent's character is based off of Jerry Siegel. It actually has a dedication to a lot of writers such as Jack Kirby, who serves as the inspiration for Dan Turpin.

 

[flickchick85]

Just when I thought I was losing interest in this project, the words "The Ultra-Humanite" appeared.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Oh man this is gold!

Grains of salt out people, but none of this sounds implausible.



1. while the project was originally intended to be a period piece, the final draft submitted by Coates recently is not a period piece

2. It's not about a black superman being a victim of racism, rather it uses Superman's alien heritage as a parallel to racism. They are, however going through with colorblind casting.

3. Superman is heavily nerfed, being taken back to his golden age roots. He can no longer fly, but he can instead "leap tall buildings in a single bound", He also lacks heat vision, frost breath and x-ray vision. He's also described as moving at Mach 7

4. They do have descriptions of the characters in the script which gives away their races.
Lois Lane is written with an Asian Actress in mind
Perry White is written as an African American man
and Jimmy Olsen is described as a freckled redhead (no racebending with Jimmy)

5. The Film is currently utilizing The golden age version of The Ultra-Humanite as the main antagonist although this may change. At no point in the story does he use the Albino Gorilla body.

6. The script is rather long, clocking in at 165 pages. This may be due to the fact that the film is being written as an awards contender rather than a regular Superhero film. It portrays Superman as a champion of the opressed. The government hates him but the people love him.

7. The film is a love letter to Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster's original comics. It also has a dedication to them. Pa Kent's character is based off of Jerry Siegel. It actually has a dedication to a lot of writers such as Jack Kirby, who serves as the inspiration for Dan Turpin.

This not so much

 

[Deck Rickard]

Grains of salt out people, but none of this sounds implausible.



1. while the project was originally intended to be a period piece, the final draft submitted by Coates recently is not a period piece

2. It's not about a black superman being a victim of racism, rather it uses Superman's alien heritage as a parallel to racism. They are, however going through with colorblind casting.

3. Superman is heavily nerfed, being taken back to his golden age roots. He can no longer fly, but he can instead "leap tall buildings in a single bound", He also lacks heat vision, frost breath and x-ray vision. He's also described as moving at Mach 7

4. They do have descriptions of the characters in the script which gives away their races.
Lois Lane is written with an Asian Actress in mind
Perry White is written as an African American man
and Jimmy Olsen is described as a freckled redhead (no racebending with Jimmy)

5. The Film is currently utilizing The golden age version of The Ultra-Humanite as the main antagonist although this may change. At no point in the story does he use the Albino Gorilla body.

6. The script is rather long, clocking in at 165 pages. This may be due to the fact that the film is being written as an awards contender rather than a regular Superhero film. It portrays Superman as a champion of the opressed. The government hates him but the people love him.

7. The film is a love letter to Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster's original comics. It also has a dedication to them. Pa Kent's character is based off of Jerry Siegel. It actually has a dedication to a lot of writers such as Jack Kirby, who serves as the inspiration for Dan Turpin.

I like pretty much all of this except Superman not being able to fly. I know he couldn’t do that in the original version but… come ON. That’s his thing! Maybe he eventually gets the ability by the end of the film?

 

[I Am The Knight]

I like pretty much all of this except Superman not being able to fly. I know he couldn’t do that in the original version but… come ON. That’s his thing! Maybe he eventually gets the ability by the end of the film?

Will Lois unlock this ability for him with a dramatic kiss and the power of love?

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[Batgirl0202]

Grains of salt out people, but none of this sounds implausible.



1. while the project was originally intended to be a period piece, the final draft submitted by Coates recently is not a period piece

2. It's not about a black superman being a victim of racism, rather it uses Superman's alien heritage as a parallel to racism. They are, however going through with colorblind casting.

3. Superman is heavily nerfed, being taken back to his golden age roots. He can no longer fly, but he can instead "leap tall buildings in a single bound", He also lacks heat vision, frost breath and x-ray vision. He's also described as moving at Mach 7

4. They do have descriptions of the characters in the script which gives away their races.
Lois Lane is written with an Asian Actress in mind
Perry White is written as an African American man
and Jimmy Olsen is described as a freckled redhead (no racebending with Jimmy)

5. The Film is currently utilizing The golden age version of The Ultra-Humanite as the main antagonist although this may change. At no point in the story does he use the Albino Gorilla body.

6. The script is rather long, clocking in at 165 pages. This may be due to the fact that the film is being written as an awards contender rather than a regular Superhero film. It portrays Superman as a champion of the opressed. The government hates him but the people love him.

7. The film is a love letter to Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster's original comics. It also has a dedication to them. Pa Kent's character is based off of Jerry Siegel. It actually has a dedication to a lot of writers such as Jack Kirby, who serves as the inspiration for Dan Turpin.

I rather like most of this. Coates definitely seems to have a solid grasp on the character. If this goes through it will definitely be the most faithful representation of the Superman mythos we've seen so far in the modern era...

Not sold though on his inability to fly. They'll probably go ahead with him being able to "leap tall buildings in a single bound" for the first film, and then have a HOLY **** moment in the sequel where he discovers he actually can fly.

This could be interesting...

 

[Batgirl0202]

I'd rather see Batgirl get a theatrical release than Flash, if I'm being honest here.

 

[Drizzle]

Since The Flash was postponed again, I didn't even think about the fact that Keaton is also in Batgirl. Wasn't the plan always for him to show up in The Flash first as his big triumphant return as well as to explain why he's in the same universe with JK Simmons' Gordon in the first place? Now that The Flash won't be out until next year, wouldn't releasing Batgirl first be confusing as all hell?

Oh, yes, it's WB we're talking about here. Never mind.

 

[MadVillainy]

Grains of salt out people, but none of this sounds implausible.



1. while the project was originally intended to be a period piece, the final draft submitted by Coates recently is not a period piece

2. It's not about a black superman being a victim of racism, rather it uses Superman's alien heritage as a parallel to racism. They are, however going through with colorblind casting.

3. Superman is heavily nerfed, being taken back to his golden age roots. He can no longer fly, but he can instead "leap tall buildings in a single bound", He also lacks heat vision, frost breath and x-ray vision. He's also described as moving at Mach 7

4. They do have descriptions of the characters in the script which gives away their races.
Lois Lane is written with an Asian Actress in mind
Perry White is written as an African American man
and Jimmy Olsen is described as a freckled redhead (no racebending with Jimmy)

5. The Film is currently utilizing The golden age version of The Ultra-Humanite as the main antagonist although this may change. At no point in the story does he use the Albino Gorilla body.

6. The script is rather long, clocking in at 165 pages. This may be due to the fact that the film is being written as an awards contender rather than a regular Superhero film. It portrays Superman as a champion of the opressed. The government hates him but the people love him.

7. The film is a love letter to Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster's original comics. It also has a dedication to them. Pa Kent's character is based off of Jerry Siegel. It actually has a dedication to a lot of writers such as Jack Kirby, who serves as the inspiration for Dan Turpin.

This doesn't sound terrible or bad on paper except for using Ultra Humanite as a villain (even without him being an albino ape) and Superman being nerfed/made to have his golden age abilities. Especially taking away the flying. Yeah he didn't always have the ability to fly but now it's one of his defining features. Don't see why take that away

Also this "This may be due to the fact that the film is being written as an awards contender rather than a regular Superhero film." makes me a bit nervous

I don't know how successful it'll be. I think making a live action Superman based on the Golden Age version to be an iffy choice. But we'll see