Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 58

[I Am The Knight]

Did Zack Snyder Stans Rig the Oscar 'Fan Favorite' Vote With Online Bots? (Exclusive)

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...Yeah, that always seemed suspect, there was no way that an HBO Max release was more popular than anything Avengers

 

[Ninjablade]

Did Zack Snyder Stans Rig the Oscar 'Fan Favorite' Vote With Online Bots? (Exclusive)

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Was gonna ask why Wrap of all places bothered to write an article about this, but then I saw the byline. Been awhile since I've heard that name.

I didn't realize El Mayimbe was writing for Wrap.

 

[kguillou]

Almost done with Jessica Jones season 2 and…i like it! Not as razor sharp as the first season but im invested in the story with Jessica and her mom and Trish’a descent. As a kind of noir drama i think this is pretty good. Im assuming somethings gonna happen soon that pissed off a lot of people though. Lol

 

[flickchick85]

Almost done with Jessica Jones season 2 and…i like it! Not as razor sharp as the first season but im invested in the story with Jessica and her mom and Trish’a descent. As a kind of noir drama i think this is pretty good. Im assuming somethings gonna happen soon that pissed off a lot of people though. Lol

If you're into the noir-ness I think you're really gonna dig S3.

 

[Sithborg]

Almost done with Jessica Jones season 2 and…i like it! Not as razor sharp as the first season but im invested in the story with Jessica and her mom and Trish’a descent. As a kind of noir drama i think this is pretty good. Im assuming somethings gonna happen soon that pissed off a lot of people though. Lol

Yeah, once the mom reveal came out, the season really improved, imo.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Woah, TIL there are 3 seasons of Jessica Jones

could’ve sworn it only had 2

 

[Spider-Fan]

Woah, TIL there are 3 seasons of Jessica Jones

could’ve sworn it only had 2

Season 3 was good! Should give it a go

 

[Sithborg]

Woah, TIL there are 3 seasons of Jessica Jones

could’ve sworn it only had 2

Understandable, as it came out during all the cancellation announcements.

 

[kguillou]

Yeah even i remember that. Netflix just shat out JJ season 3 with no fanfare after they announced the netflix series were all done so everyone was like “who cares?”

I gotta say though man, i miss having these more adult alternatives for Marvel content. It was good counter programming to the lighter pg-13 theatrical stuff. Even the way these series were shot, with the more gritty, shadowy, New York city vibe was a nice to change of pace.

 

[Sithborg]

I remember people trying to hype Moon Knight as the spiritual successor of Daredevil, and then I saw the images from the final episode and just laughed and laughed.

 

[henzINNIT]

I do miss the Netflix shows. Not always the best, but a good alternative in the Marvel media empire. MCU consistency is useful for a shared universe but the lack of tonal variation is quite exhausting to me now.

I think being called that doesn't make him ugly. I think attractiveness is subjective, in that way.

I'm not entering a flowery debate on the perception of beauty, not over the Thing. That isn't necessary. Being turned into a monster, and how he copes with that, is his whole deal. He was called 'Thing' deliberately, as opposed to 'Abs of Stone', 'Rock Hard' or '(literally) Chiselled'.

 

[Batgirl0202]

MCU consistency is useful for a shared universe but the lack of tonal variation is quite exhausting to me now.

Agreed. I'm glad Marvel now has just about every property under their one roof, but we've definitely had a trade-off between consistency and tonal variety.

In the past, when different properties were being made by different studios, consistency was an issue but tonal variance definitely wasn't. Lee's Hulk, Raimi's Spider-Man, Johnson's Daredevil, Singer's X-Men, Norrington's Blade, Hensleigh's Punisher, Story's Fantastic Four...all very different films tonally but also a much larger variance in quality.

This is one area where I feel Marvel could take a page out of DC's book. Although the Distinguished Competition has suffered somewhat in terms of quality when compared to Marvel, they've managed to avoid the 'samey' trap that the House of Feige has fallen into.

The MCU has been a critical, commercial, and cultural powerhouse, no question. But perhaps by going with more of DC's 'director' approach instead of their established 'house' style, they could give us fans more variance and variety in terms of storytelling. I loved MoM and how Marvel allowed Raimi to make an identifiable 'Raimi Movie', while still respecting the conventions of a typical MCU entry. It's definitely a step in the right direction.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[fan4stic]

I'm not entering a flowery debate on the perception of beauty, not over the Thing. That isn't necessary. Being turned into a monster, and how he copes with that, is his whole deal. He was called 'Thing' deliberately, as opposed to 'Abs of Stone', 'Rock Hard' or '(literally) Chiselled'.

Him dealing with that doesn't make him objectively ugly. Him thinking he is doesn't make it so, if he does think that.

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

Agreed. I'm glad Marvel now has just about every property under their one roof, but we've definitely had a trade-off between consistency and tonal variety.

In the past, when different properties were being made by different studios, consistency was an issue but tonal variance definitely wasn't. Lee's Hulk, Raimi's Spider-Man, Johnson's Daredevil, Singer's X-Men, Norrington's Blade, Hensleigh's Punisher, Story's Fantastic Four...all very different films tonally but also a much larger variance in quality.

This is one area where I feel Marvel could take a page out of DC's book. Although the Distinguished Competition has suffered somewhat in terms of quality when compared to Marvel, they've managed to avoid the 'samey' trap that the House of Feige has fallen into.

The MCU has been a critical, commercial, and cultural powerhouse, no question. But perhaps by going with more of DC's 'director' approach instead of their established 'house' style, they could give us fans more variance and variety in terms of storytelling. I loved MoM and how Marvel allowed Raimi to make an identifiable 'Raimi Movie', while still respecting the conventions of a typical MCU entry. It's definitely a step in the right direction.

I think there's been several directors that have put a personal stamp on their MCU films. Ragnarok is very Waititi, the Guardians are very Gunn, etc. I think it's already there as those directors have stated that they've been given plenty of freedom to make their MCU films, but it can of course be expanded upon with more directors that really have unique styles. To compare to DC with the stated idea of that they've suffered a bit in quality in order to be more different rather makes an argument why it's risky to go for different though, since I'd say that ending up with quality is ultimately what matters.

I also think DC has succeeded best in being different with their standalone stuff but while I don't have anything against making standalone superhero films I won't hope that Marvel does that. There's only one truly successful shared universe like the MCU around (even in film history) so that does bring diversity in a way when looking at the larger picture, and if I truly want something different then it's better to focus on the films I watch that aren't superhero films at all.

While I agree that there is more tonal consistency than there was before the MCU I also don't think the 2022 streak of Moon Knight, Multiverse of Madness, Love & Thunder, Miss Marvel and Wakanda Forever will leave us with an impression that everything was the same. Since this thought thread did start with a Netflix mention I'd rather say that the MCU currently has more tonal variation than the Netflix shows had with each other. A show like WandaVision is also a candidate for most unique concept in the entire superhero film/show history.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I just have two things to say about the Netflix MCU:

1. Luke Cage season 2 was really underrated and what made it good was that amazing supporting cast.

and

2. The Defenders was not that bad.

I’ll leave now.

 

[Pennywise]

I miss Netflix’s Marvel shows.., except for Iron Fist.

I remember being blown away by Daredevil for the first time in 2015. Cox is my favourite portrayal of a Marvel superhero!!

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

Him dealing with that doesn't make him objectively ugly. Him thinking he is doesn't make it so, if he does think that.

The status of him being ugly will naturally be in the perception of himself and others in the film, so the answer to your question on who says that he's ugly will be "the script". The original poster obviously meant that he doesn't like the idea of having one non-white person being presented as the ugly one, which will be a fact regardless of whether someone in the audience doesn't personally share that view.

 

[Iceman]

I just have two things to say about the Netflix MCU:

1. Luke Cage season 2 was really underrated and what made it good was that amazing supporting cast.

and

2. The Defenders was not that bad.

I’ll leave now.
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That was kind of the problem with Defenders. It was built as the Avengers for TV shows and “not bad” doesn’t quite cut it. I enjoyed it but it’s unfortunately not all that memorable. If Defenders had hit, everything would have gone into overdrive like the MCU did when Avengers did. The last 10 years would be very different if Iron Man and Avengers had been seen by the GA as “fine”.

 

[I Am The Knight]

With Disney+ doing a "reboot" of Daredevil with Charlie Cox...I wonder how that will go. Daredevil seasons 1, half of 2 and season 3 were excellent.

 

[Iceman]

I miss Netflix’s Marvel shows.., except for Iron Fist.

I remember being blown away by Daredevil for the first time in 2015. Cox is my favourite portrayal of a Marvel superhero!!

Also that’s the most common opinion of Daredevil amongst fans. Amazingly good interpretation of Daredevil and his universe and a very consistently high quality show for 3 seasons. The one part people complain about is the later part of season 2 but then early season 2 is just unbelievably good seeing Daredevil and Punisher interact. Shame more CB shows can’t aim for DD levels even with higher budgets.

 

[Iceman]

With Disney+ doing a "reboot" of Daredevil with Charlie Cox...I wonder how that will go. Daredevil seasons 1, half of 2 and season 3 were excellent.

They need to get all the creators back who have proven themselves over a long period. That’s the best chance of it being as good as what came before.

 

[henzINNIT]

That was kind of the problem with Defenders. It was built as the Avengers for TV shows and “not bad” doesn’t quite cut it. I enjoyed it but it’s unfortunately not all that memorable. If Defenders had hit, everything would have gone into overdrive like the MCU did when Avengers did. The last 10 years would be very different if Iron Man and Avengers had been seen by the GA as “fine”.

I cut down Defenders into a 3hr TV movie. More fun with less filler, but it's clear they had no budget for a big crossover event.

 

[Zarex]

I remember being blown away by Daredevil for the first time in 2015. Cox is my favourite portrayal of a Marvel superhero!!

I binged all of the DD season 1 episodes the first weekend it was released, and then watched the entire season a second time a few days later. I had never done that before with any TV show and haven't done it since. It was absolutely thrilling television.

 

[fan4stic]

The status of him being ugly will naturally be in the perception of himself and others in the film, so the answer to your question on who says that he's ugly will be "the script". The original poster obviously meant that he doesn't like the idea of having one non-white person being presented as the ugly one, which will be a fact regardless of whether someone in the audience doesn't personally share that view.

If the person thought that, they could've said that. They didn't.