Ahsoka Ahsoka General News & Discussion Thread (TAG SPOILERS)

[DarkKnight88]

So can Ewan no longer play Obi-Wan because he'll be Sir Alec's age soon? How about lil Leia? Will she age out when she gets her driver's license?

Yep!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The argument that recasting can't work neglects how things went with Bond. Who had a series even more successful then Star Wars in the 60s.

 

[Kane52630]

Is it wrong to say that Sabine looks like every gamer girl on twitch?

 

[TheWiseGuy487]

Is it wrong to say that Sabine looks like every gamer girl on twitch?

I mean, that was pretty much her design from the outset, so…

 

[DarkKnight88]

The argument that recasting can't work neglects how things went with Bond. Who had a series even more successful than
Star Wars in the 60s.

Recast less than a decade into the series. Also based on a book.

The closest successful recast based on iconic actors playing iconic characters years later was Star Trek 09. But even then it was an alternate timeline and they were playing “younger” versions.

 

[Filmfreak]

Also the James Bond mythos is purely based on that one character. Star Wars is a vast universe with infinite possibilities. There's no reason to focus on the same people all the time. Having the trinity getting old should be seen as an opportunity to explore other stuff, not recast such iconic characters.

 

[Sithborg]

Pass.

The comparison doesn’t work since we never saw a younger actor play Obi-Wan so there wasn’t some shadow looming over a recast. Mon Mothma was so minor that it didn’t really matter.

This is something you don’t touch for a long while. Those OG actors have too large a shadow with those characters anytime soon, especially playing the same age.

Look, I get it. The first recast is always the toughest. But, a character can benefit from being recast. All the same arguments against recasting the main cast here was used back with popular characters that were recast.

 

[Iceman]

The argument that recasting can't work neglects how things went with Bond. Who had a series even more successful then Star Wars in the 60s.

Yeah, Connery was totally irreplaceable as Bond (and still my favourite). And yet we’ve had tons of good Bond films in the decades since Connery that we would have missed out on with this never-recast philosophy. Hamill as Luke has always been my ultimate hero character, but having an artificial version is not preferable to me to having a good new young actor who can capture the spirit of Hamill’s Luke.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Look, I get it. The first recast is always the toughest. But, a character can benefit from being recast. All the same arguments against recasting the main cast here was used back with popular characters that were recast.

Just don’t use the characters again. Unless you reboot the whole thing from scratch. They aren’t literary like Bond. They were embodied once on screen, and conceived as movie characters.

Again, I can understand recasting for book characters, comic book characters etc. since it’s the page they ultimately live on. But it reminds me of The Three Stooges film. What’s the point? Can you imagine a Seinfeld sequel series with different people playing those characters but at the same age as the series? In the same continuity? Or Back to the Future that takes places a year after the third movie. With new actors as the same Marty and Doc.

Can you tell me a successful recast of a non-literary iconic character decades later that wasn’t part of the same continuity? Honestly asking. For me, it just doesn’t feel like it would work.

Again, I’m not against recasting per se. But if I’m to believe that this is Harrison Ford’s Han Solo played by a different actor just 5 years later from Return of the Jedi. Eh. Let’s be more creative.

 

[Gaultheria]

At least a new actor could capture the spirit and essence of Luke Skywalker. That's the most important thing.

Yeah. Luke's triumphal return in Mando season 2 was an apology — to fans and to the actor — for Star Wars' treatment of "Jake" Skywalker in the sequel trilogy. I can look past the limitations of digital de-ageing technology in that case. For future appearances of Luke in the Mando era, an actor who can capture Luke's mannerisms the way Ewan did for Kenobi would be a delight to watch.

 

[Bobber]

Yeah. Luke's triumphal return in Mando season 2 was an apology — to fans and to the actor — for Star Wars' treatment of "Jake" Skywalker in the sequel trilogy.

The absolute nonsense of this sentence is going to make me throw up.

 

[Sithborg]

Boy, that looks a bit familiar.

Should we start taking bets on whether the new Inquisitor is Sam Witwer or not?

 

[Gaultheria]

For those who don't know, "Jake Skywalker" is a quote from Mark Hamill, about the actor's dissatisfaction with Luke's character development in The Last Jedi:


It's reasonable to suppose that Favreau et al. wanted to set things right.

Bullying forum members — and cheering on the bullies — is not okay.

 

[Kane52630]

Fans are so odd. I'll never understand.

 

[Sithborg]

The Luke moment was fanservice pure and simple. It wasn't "fixing" anything, if the last episode was proof of anything.

 

[Bobber]

For those who don't know, "Jake Skywalker" is a quote from Mark Hamill, about the actor's dissatisfaction with Luke's character development in The Last Jedi:


It's reasonable to suppose that Favreau et al. wanted to set things right.

Bullying forum members — and cheering on the bullies — is not okay.

I don't know if the last sentence is pointed towards my comment, but if it is, I'll elaborate.
This whole "Jake Skywalker" and Favreau/Filoni setting things right thing, is part of an incredibly toxic rhetoric going on right now in the Star Wars fandom. You're talking about bullying, but you are using some of the same rhetoric used by a group of Star Wars fans that bully other fans, gatekeep who are real Star Wars fans and who aren't, and what Star Wars is supposed to be.

It might not have been your intention, and I apologize for reacting harshly, but I'm just so sick of the state of Star Wars fandom right now. Everyone is allowed to like and dislike whatever they want, but it's the rhetoric that annoys me.

 

[Weather Witch]

I feel like I've been breaking my own rules lately by getting involved in these types of discussions again. Hell, I've been hypocritical and probably started a few of these arguments. What tends to really get me is the videos and articles designed to purposefully rile people up and make them angry. This franchise, like any other, was never perfect. What Disney has done with the franchise is also not perfect. The real damage though is being done by people who thrive on this neverending hate. Faking rumors, stripping every quote of context, and putting them in the bleakest light possible.

So, I'm just going to once again focus on the opposite of what those videos and articles provide. The fun of Star Wars. The magic. Losing myself in this amazing world. The Star Wars franchise is still so much fun to me. That's what matters in the end. I'm absolutely psyched for the Ahsoka series. Trying to keep my expectations in check, of course, but this project just means the world to me. That first trailer just brought me so much joy. I can't wait to discover more about this show. Right here, along with all of you.

It's going to be an insane ride.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

For those who don't know, "Jake Skywalker" is a quote from Mark Hamill, about the actor's dissatisfaction with Luke's character development in The Last Jedi:


It's reasonable to suppose that Favreau et al. wanted to set things right.

Bullying forum members — and cheering on the bullies — is not okay.

Thanks for screwing up everyone's algorithm. I mean, who doesn't want toxic, bigoted manbabies all over their YT front page?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I feel like I've been breaking my own rules lately by getting involved in these types of discussions again. Hell, I've been hypocritical and probably started a few of these arguments. What tends to really get me is the videos and articles designed to purposefully rile people up and make them angry. This franchise, like any other, was never perfect. What Disney has done with the franchise is also not perfect. The real damage though is being done by people who thrive on this neverending hate. Faking rumors, stripping every quote of context, and putting them in the bleakest light possible.

So, I'm just going to once again focus on the opposite of what those videos and articles provide. The fun of Star Wars. The magic. Losing myself in this amazing world. The Star Wars franchise is still so much fun to me. That's what matters in the end. I'm absolutely psyched for the Ahsoka series. Trying to keep my expectations in check, of course, but this project just means the world to me. That first trailer just brought me so much joy. I can't wait to discover more about this show. Right here, along with all of you.

It's going to be an insane ride.

It took me a while, but I realized the only people I was hurting by complaining about stuff years in the past, was myself and my fellow Star Wars loving fans. To be bitter is not the way of a Jedi.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Sabine understands the assignment:

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, I'm still bitter by the way last few years of Star Wars publications went before the buyout.

But, I don't grasp at straws to say that they were "fixing" things. I mean, if the Luke in Mando was "a fix", it was a really ****ty one, considering his next appearance.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

I’m still bitter about Chewie being crushed by a moon.

 

[TheWiseGuy487]

I mean, if the Luke in Mando was "a fix", it was a really ****ty one, considering his next appearance.

It’s pretty telling how reactionary Lucasfilm has been in regards to fan response to Luke’s appearances in this series.

When the first iteration of the character showed up in the finale of the second season, it was mostly positive, but there were also people who thought the effect looked very uncanny. So, when BoBF comes around, they have Luke appear again with the deepfake technology vastly improved by bringing in Shamook, but the uncannyness is even more apparent by how robotically he “speaks” in conjunction with how “perfect” he looks. A lot of fans bring that up as a criticism, because it feels less like a performance and more like something generated by an algorithm. Since then, we haven’t heard anything or seen anything with the character in live action at all.

At this point, Luke Skywalker feels less like a character and more of a device to weaponize nostalgia against the Star Wars fan base. It’s like, after TLJ came out, they pivoted way too hard in the opposite direction, out of fear of losing their fan base. It feels like parents caving into every demand of their spoiled kid who thinks they know better, no matter how inconsistent, despite not actually knowing better. Frankly, that just sucks.

And, yes, I’m including Star Wars Theory in this, because he is the prime example of this symptom.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I’m still bitter about Chewie being crushed by a moon.

He did that to save Anakin, and then they ****ing killed him! GODDAMNIT GEORGE!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I know it gets a lot of crap from some corners, but I was all on board with NJO. I still feel like the biggest issue came when George forced them to change the direction of the story. Which messed not only with Anakin's tale, but Jacen's as well. But Vector Prime was all time setup, and it had more good books then poor ones.