Bond 25 - Part 1

[MadderMaximus]

every single bond girl for the last 30 years has done a press tour explaining how they "aren't just a typical bond girl."

thank you!

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

And they're getting tiresome. Because if all the women haven't been your typical Bond girl for so long, but are characterised by being Bond's equal, then that becomes the standard pattern. So then if you say that for the new film, you are essentially a "typical" Bond girl.

I haven't counted or anything, but it sure seems like there have been more Amasova/Jinx-type Bond girls than the "typical" Stacy Sutton/Mary Goodnight-types.

 

[Roose Bolton]

What they could do, after Craig's era is finished start off the next actor by taking elements of the Moonraker novel and introduce Gala Brand as the Bond girl. If they follow that route then it'd be an interesting subversion with Gala leaving him at the end rather than falling to his charms.

Though of course, it'd still be a situation where the Bond girl is another secret service archetype that we've seen often.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

An actual faithful version of Moonraker would be amazing.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Don't change Bond's race or sex. It's too easy. Change the times around him and seeing how he reacts to it makes it so much more interesting.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

An actual faithful version of Moonraker would be amazing.

Agreed. I wouldn't call it Moonraker though. I don't think they should re-use titles. It makes a collection too confusing. Casino Royale was fine because it was the first EON version.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Every single bond girl for the last 30 years has done a press tour explaining how they "aren't just a typical Bond Girl."

YES!

Lea seydoux interview during "Spectre"

http://www.vogue.co.uk/article/lea-seydoux-vogue-cover-interview

So she's not just a decoration for Bond's arm? "No, no, no. Anyway I don't mind the cliché of the Bond girl. But Madeleine, she is very different. And to choose me as a Bond girl, it's a choice. A statement. I'm not the typical James Bond girl."

If they're not

-a nuclear scientist
- C.I.A agent with a vendetta of their own
-an abused woman who is trying to get closer to her families killer

Then they're just eye candy

 

[Dark Raven]

I haven't counted or anything, but it sure seems like there have been more Amasova/Jinx-type Bond girls than the "typical" Stacy Sutton/Mary Goodnight-types.

We're going to end up finding there's only been about 5 of these "typical" Bond girls in the whole series. Which would make them the minority and quite atypical.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

We're going to end up finding there's only been about 5 of these "typical" Bond girls in the whole series. Which would make them the minority and quite atypical.

I'm really not sure where the stereotype came from because even the Bond girl in the film that turned Bond into a worldwide phenomenon (***** Galore), wasn't the "typical" Bond girl. Bond doesn't even have to save her at any point. She saves him. Bond would have been vaporized and Goldfinger would have gotten away with everything if Bond was left to his own devices.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I'm definitely in the minority when it comes to Jane Bond. A sexist female badass spy...I'm in.

 

[Aximili86]

It'd just come off really cynically forced post-modern.

Those tabloid rumors about Idris Elba or Gillian Anderson or whoever they were talking about as potential new Bonds, I just...it doesn't work. Cast them as other 00 agents, totally, go for it. Great actors, that'd be awesome. Even make them better at the job than Bond is, contrast his old-timey out of date "kill and screw and kill some more, raise a middle finger at M and down three martinis" stuff with someone more professional & acceptable and representative of the modern world & modern Britain.

But modern, current, socially-acceptable, forward-looking, that's not Bond. He's supposed to be outdated and representative of a "time before", it's been there in all the incarnations even if it's emphasized more in some than others.

A female Bond, a black Bond, basically by definition oozes "current-day", "representative of modern inclusive Britain". Which just isn't Bond.

But both of those casting choices, just do it, make 'em both 004 and 009 or whatever. Make them the opposite type of agent to James, just as effective but in totally different ways.

Best of both worlds. You get the up-to-date inclusive representativeness within MI6, but Bond's still the smug arrogant drunken two-fists-McGee socially-unacceptable pr*ck he's always been.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm really not sure where the stereotype came from because even the Bond girl in the film that turned Bond into a worldwide phenomenon (***** Galore), wasn't the "typical" Bond girl. Bond doesn't even have to save her at any point. She saves him. Bond would have been vaporized and Goldfinger would have gotten away with everything if Bond was left to his own devices.

Exactly. Next time a Bond girl says she isn't your typical one, I wish the interviewer would tell her that yes she is. And then point out how most of them have been like her in fact, and have been saying exactly the same thing each time.

Of course, if an actress were to say she is your typical Bond girl and how they've all mostly been Bond's equal and each actress thinks they're doing something new, then I would have a ton of respect for her.

 

[Loki882]

Eye I wouldn't agree that they've all been "Bond's equal." Sometimes the movies actually try to do that, but then end up undercutting it later on, Spectre is actually guilty of this with Madeleine.

 

[Reek]

Don't change Bond's race or sex. It's too easy. Change the times around him and seeing how he reacts to it makes it so much more interesting.

like time travel?

can mike myers be cast?

grrr baby very grrrrr

 

[Roose Bolton]

I never forget a *****.








Cat.

 

[Greens]

I never forget a *****.








Cat.

If Bond can kill a cat he can kill a crow.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Bond was just putting the poor thing out of its misery...and testing the flexibility of a crows neck. And yes there was a second crow....and a third....but who likes crows anyway?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Fans of Mystery Science Theater 3000.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Eye I wouldn't agree that they've all been "Bond's equal." Sometimes the movies actually try to do that, but then end up undercutting it later on, Spectre is actually guilty of this with Madeleine.

None of them are ever truly his equal because he's the hero and they aren't. The same goes for every other character, not just the women. Jaws is basically an unstoppable immortal zombie and even he's not Bond's equal.

 

[LTuser]

But modern, current, socially-acceptable, forward-looking, that's not Bond. He's supposed to be outdated and representative of a "time before", it's been there in all the incarnations even if it's emphasized more in some than others.

A female Bond, a black Bond, basically by definition oozes "current-day", "representative of modern inclusive Britain". Which just isn't Bond.

But both of those casting choices, just do it, make 'em both 004 and 009 or whatever. Make them the opposite type of agent to James, just as effective but in totally different ways.

And if they were really wanting to make the new bond a 'fully inclusive, post modern socially acceptable' agent..
A) since Mohammed is the most popular name 3 straight years, make him muslim.
B) since he's muslim he no longer smokes and drinks like crazy
C) since he's muslim he no longer does the 'shag anything with legs'..

 

[Dark Raven]

And if they were really wanting to make the new bond a 'fully inclusive, post modern socially acceptable' agent..
A) since Mohammed is the most popular name 3 straight years, make him muslim.
B) since he's muslim he no longer smokes and drinks like crazy
C) since he's muslim he no longer does the 'shag anything with legs'..

So he will be Mohammed Bond. But then Bond isn't a very Muslim name. So why not change that too? He can be Mohammed Ali.

Then he'll be James Bond in Six Degrees of Separation only.

 

[TheVileOne]

On one hand it's a little weird to me that people seem to hate James Bond and what he stands for and yet they are desperate for a James Bond to adhere to what they want. On the other hand, I think I kinda sorta get it.

My quasi working theory is that to me the root of it is that what people really want is a James Bond that looks or acts more like them. They want their own franchise character that fits the James Bond mold (popularity, franchise brand recognition) but hues closer to their own personal identities.

 

[Loki882]

None of them are ever truly his equal because he's the hero and they aren't. The same goes for every other character, not just the women. Jaws is basically an unstoppable immortal zombie and even he's not Bond's equal.

Fine, but then don't brag about it beforehand, because it makes you look disingenuous.

 

[LTuser]

So he will be Mohammed Bond. But then Bond isn't a very Muslim name. So why not change that too? He can be Mohammed Ali.

Then he'll be James Bond in Six Degrees of Separation only.

Na.. Call him Jihadi bond!

 

[Dark Raven]

Fine, but then don't brag about it beforehand, because it makes you look disingenuous.

I think the only one who hasn't done that is Moneypenny. She said of her character something like that she thinks she's Bond's equal but then finds out she's not, and not even cut out for the field.