I don't care what they were going for. It was dumb. There was absolutely no reason for them to put all that effort in developing Thanos in Infinity War when he is killed off so recklessly and then replaced with what is just another generic villain. Thanos was a superb villain in Infinity War. So I don't care what the metaphor is. Endgame suffers because of it.
Was the world not in a state of hopelessness before they confronted Thanos? The point of my alternative version wasn't to replace any of the despair and hopelessness. The "apocalyptic" tone would still be there, I would much rather prefer there was no 5yr timeskip. There would just be more world building. I don't think they explored how the world (not just the U.S) is dealing with life after Thanos won)
A few!? You serious? They didn't just make a few jokes about Thor. He
was the joke.
J. Michael Straczynski Nails the Problem With Thor in Avengers: Endgame
The issue isn't whether it was dealt with. The issue is whether or not it was handled effectively and with respect to the issues it raises. Judging by the backlash, it doesn't. To say otherwise is to be tone deaf to those issues. Even those heart to heart scenes are undermined with fat jokes. How many films that deal with the same issues have the main character in a fat suit while other characters hurl fat jokes? NONE. He is a parody. Nothing more. Go back and note how much time is spent on making him comic relief and time spent on his teammates taking him seriously.
Looking forward to the next Avengers film when it tackles suicide with all the jokes about hanging and jumping off a bridge. Spider-Fan will think that some deep ****!!
Avengers Endgame spoilers: Fans are FURIOUS over THIS character twist
WRONG.
ONE MORE TIME.
I expected her to be a
character in a story with a part in that story. I expected her to be apart of the team.
Just like Drax was.
Just like Black Panther was.
Just like Rocket was
Just like Nebula was.
Just like Star-Lord was.
Just like Doctor Strange was.
Just like Spider-Man was..
What I
didn't expect her role to be was a shallow uninteresting deus ex machina with no role to play other than to get other characters out of problems because the filmmakers were too lazy to give her the same treatment Black Panther, Spider-Man, Drax, Doctor Strange did. I expected her to be a well written female character..Not lazily thrown into a movie she clearly had no reason to be in. But I guess it's easier just to throw in pandering scenes of girl power. You keep excusing lazy writing. The fact you compared her to Drax as a supporting character is a contradiction in itself and shows you either chose to ignore my previous posts or just don't understand what the actual criticism is. Using Drax completely undermined your own argument.
But keep telling me what I think her perceived role is.
So do we just ignore that scene and pretend it isn't canon? Did it not show Nick Fury calling another character's assistance in response to the tragic event that was playing out in front of him? Did that happen or nah?....I hate to break it to you, all the cut scenes are commercials for other movies. They still link the narrative between films. Should we also disregard the cut scene at the end of Captain Marvel appearing at Avengers Headquarters? If so, Endgame did a terrible job explaining how Carol is suddenly there and able to save Tony. So which is it? I'm sure you'll choose whichever is more convenient for you.
You can't have it both ways.
I thought I already explained this in the Carol Danvers thread. You ignored and then built up a straw man that no one is arguing for. NO ONE. I REPEAT
NO ONE is suggesting that Captain Marvel would be "walking in, thrashing Thanos" and "fix everything" That would be stupid and undermine the reason for an Avengers film. The issue with Captain Marvel is she barely qualifies what any medium of storytelling would call a
character. She barely speaks to, or interacts with any other character. The Russos FAILED on a base level to give her the same care and attention that any other character in the MCU has been given. Even Mantis has more personality in these movies than she has. They could've replaced Carol with a piece of cardboard and it wouldn't have been any different. What is this small role exactly? Besides being a deus ex machina?
No. Her role is small because rather than do the legwork and find a narrative that had all the players on the board, they decided to go the lazy way out and not bother. So instead they explain away her absence with a contrived senseless reason.(What's happening on Earth, is happening on other planets,So you probably won't see me for a long time" GTFOH) Marvel Studios is to blame. They decided to include her in the narrative. They decided to introduce her in the MCU at this given time. Fury called her. It's now up to the writers to find a valid reason why (and getting a haircut and being an Uber driver for Tony isn't good enough) Even if her role was supposed to be small that doesn't excuse the failure to write her as an actual character. That way, at least the audience identifies and/or likes her. The only time we get to see anything like this is her interaction with Peter. But it isn't enough. If this wasn't the goal then don't use her. Instead all she is a horribly written plot device.
'Avengers: Endgame' completely wastes Captain Marvel (spoilers!)