Justice League Ben Affleck IS Bruce Wayne/Batman - Part 6

[Da-Scribe]

You kill Joker like Michael Keaton did, and he ceases to be a problem.

 

[Boom]

I think Batman wouldn't kill Joker for the same reason Joker wouldn't kill Batman. They validate each others' existences. Or less deep, he simply doesn't want to give Joker that satisfaction.

I don't really subscribe to that notion, personally. I know it's a widely held belief (even among Batman writers), but it's not my cup of tea. The Joker is a deplorable, subhuman mass-murderer. Under no circumstance do I think that Batman should "need" him in any way. Batman doesn't kill The Joker because he does not kill period. That's my preference. If you want to open the door to Batman killing, fine, but then The Joker's dead meat. No two ways about it for me.

 

[idiot09]

I liked the fact Ayer stated that in his canon, it was solely Joker who killed Robin. Not Harley and Joker.

Wouldn't surprise me if BvS Bats regretted that he wasn't more brutal with Joker. Dude was kinda deranged at that point

 

[TheVileOne]

I think Batman wouldn't kill Joker for the same reason Joker wouldn't kill Batman. They validate each others' existences. Or less deep, he simply doesn't want to give Joker that satisfaction.

That would make Batman a total scumbag who should also be put down if that's his reasoning.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I don't really subscribe to that notion, personally. I know it's a widely held belief (even among Batman writers), but it's not my cup of tea. The Joker is a deplorable, heinous mass-murderer. Under no circumstance do I think that Batman should "need" him in any way. Batman doesn't kill The Joker because he does not kill period. That's my preference. If you open the door to Batman killing, then The Joker's dead meat. No two ways about it for me.

I get that, but that doesn’t make it an invalid line of thought. Not saying you have to dig it of course, but it’s a fair interpretation.

I’m a huge Batman fan, but I also recognize that I’d never consider him a hero in real life. So it’s easy for me to accept more questionable aspects of his personality, I suppose.

 

[Boom]

That would make Batman a total scumbag who should also be put down if that's his reasoning.

*Joker kills 100 people*

Batman: "I can't kill him because I need him!"

Can't decide between pathetic, selfish or psychotic. Regardless, not Batman.

 

[Reel-Man]

That would make Batman a total scumbag who should also be put down if that's his reasoning.

So I guess that makes the Nolan Batman as scumbag by that logic. Since both didn’t kill each other intentionally. Also the line of them being destined to do this for a long time.

It’s okay though, seeing you previous replies just shows you’ll find anything to complain about when it comes to the DCEU. Because you don’t like it and refuse to accept it, somehow it’s “not thought out.”

Sure thing Jan!

 

[Spider-Fan]

*Joker kills 100 people*

Batman: "I can't kill him because I need him!"

Can't decide between pathetic, selfish or psychotic. Regardless, not Batman.

I don't think Batman needs Joker in those terms. But, I do think he needs Joker in that Bruce is an obsessive person. His battle is with crime. Joker and his various enemies give him an enemy to fight. Puzzle to solve so to speak. If he didn't have villains like the Joker, then I do think ultimately Bruce's life would not have meaning in his mind.

But yeah, he doesn't view it that way consciously. More like these villains fill a subconscious void he has.

 

[idiot09]

Who really would have thought Affleck would be back? Not me!

Damn us OG DCEU fans can't stop winning in 2020 lol

 

[Reel-Man]

Who really would have thought Affleck would be back? Not me!

Damn us OG DCEU fans can't stop winning in 2020 lol

Welcome back buddy!

 

[The Batman]

I don't really subscribe to that notion, personally. I know it's a widely held belief (even among Batman writers), but it's not my cup of tea. The Joker is a deplorable, subhuman mass-murderer. Under no circumstance do I think that Batman should "need" him in any way. Batman doesn't kill The Joker because he does not kill period. That's my preference. If you want to open the door to Batman killing, fine, but then The Joker's dead meat. No two ways about it for me.

This.

Straight up, I think that's the sort of thing you see in bad interpretations of the character, ones that're trying too hard to be edgy or "Complex".

 

[Da-Scribe]

Eh, I love Batman deeply but he is a major d-bag in truth, so it doesn’t really bother me.

 

[The Batman]

Doesn't really bother me, because that aspect isn't really seen in most versions of the character, thankfully.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Even as someone who personally would’ve preferred they leave the Snyderverse entirely behind it is heartwarming knowing Ben will get to play the role again in hopefully far less intensive and drama ridden circumstances. Dude is clearly a genuine Batman fan, if it is an exit (don’t throw tomatoes at me, I’m not acting like that’s 110% true. I simply suspect it since Ben wasn’t planning a super extensive run originally and the buzz around Keaton’s future.) it’s especially nice that he’ll bow out with a project he isn’t clearly ****ing miserable over.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

Let's face it: the real reason Batman doesn't kill Joker is because Joker is Batman's most popular villain. Writers therefore have to bend over backwards to find reasons why Batman won't kill Joker.

Of course, you can say that Batman has a code against killing, etc. To that I point you to what Batman tells Ra's Al-Ghul at the end of Batman Begins: "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you." Batman has no problem letting villains die when he has the opportunity to save them—when they're less popular villains.

 

[The Batman]

In general, the movies, unlike comics and cartoons, are more willing to have Batman kill the supervillains or let them die, and it has nothing to do with popularity.

Case in point: Burton/Schumacher Batman killed the Joker, pretty much killed The Penguin, and pretty much killed Two Face too. That's three of Batman's most popular characters right there.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

Right, so in the end, it's always a business decision that the writers have to justify creatively.

 

[Ricardo Figuer]

Let's face it: the real reason Batman doesn't kill Joker is because Joker is Batman's most popular villain. Writers therefore have to bend over backwards to find reasons why Batman won't kill Joker.

Of course, you can say that Batman has a code against killing, etc. To that I point you to what Batman tells Ra's Al-Ghul at the end of Batman Begins: "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you." Batman has no problem letting villains die when he has the opportunity to save them—when they're less popular villains.

Spot on. Whenever my friends are talking about this who's more powerful, why superhero x does this or that stuff, the only answer I can come up with is: They are as powerful as their writers want them to be. They do this or that because they want/have to create stories that sell.

Yes, you guessed, I'm not the most fun person at parties lol.

 

[Reel-Man]

Pretty cool to see Ben with the rest of the cast presenting questions from the fans. Also loved his comment to Zack regarding his favourite hero/character from his movies.

 

[TheVileOne]

This.

Straight up, I think that's the sort of thing you see in bad interpretations of the character, ones that're trying too hard to be edgy or "Complex".

That idea is something Joker or Batman's rogues would use to gaslight or manipulate him. It's not part of Batman's character.

 

[Wheels]

The real reason Batman doesn't kill is it's an easy way to keep villains around and keep selling books for decades.

Doesn't change the fact that I like the rule and the no guns thing. Is Batman a bit of a jerk? Sure. Is he a bad guy? No I don't believe he is in most cases.

 

[Reel-Man]

Speaking of Batman killing, I’m watching Batman (89) right now and something just hit me. He full on attempted to blow up the Joker at Axis chemicals when the Batmobile dropped the bombs and self drove back out to him. Joker arrives via helicopter right as Batman is about to get back into the Batmobile and says to him “missed me!” Then flies away to the city for the festival.

I bet the nitpickers will still find excuses. Batman has always killed. You were just too naive at the time and turned a blind eye to it. End of story.

Edit: He also tells the Joker “I’m gonna kill you.”

 

[TheVileOne]

Speaking of Batman killing, I’m watching Batman (89) right now and something just hit me. He full on attempted to blow the Joker up when he blew up Axis chemicals. Joker arrives via helicopter right as Batman is about to get back into his car and says “missed me!”

I bet the nitpickers will still find excuses. Batman has always killed. You were just too naive at the time and turned a blind eye to it. End of story.

Yes, and he killed the Joker at the end. In this world, Batman lets Joker, who killed his adopted son, walk around upright.

No one's turned a blind eye to it, and no one is naive to it. End of story.

 

[Reel-Man]

Yes, and he killed the Joker at the end. In this world, Batman lets Joker, who killed his adopted son, walk around upright.

No one's turned a blind eye to it, and no one is naive to it. End of story.

So your problem is that he didn’t kill enough?

 

[TheVileOne]

So your problem is that he didn’t kill enough?

Yes.

It's definitely a problem if he's willing to kill and he lets Joker live. It's stupid in a movie for grownups. There's no justification.