The Book of Boba Fett Chapter 6: From the Desert Comes a Stranger (Spoiler Discussion)

[3rdstone]

Yeah, this was a great Boba Fett episode with yet again Boba barely in it (but at least he nodded to Mando in his short scene without dialogue).

Awesome cameos by Luke and Ahsoka. Luke training Grogu was cool and heartwarming. Loved the giant ant-droid construction workers, a cool detail. I know my old TV is embarrassingly low tech with todays standards, but I bought CGI deaged Luke. One might always discuss the charactarisation of a cinematic icon like Luke here, but it was good enough fan service for me in a Star Wars TV-show in which he's a minor character surprisingly showing up.

As someone who hasn't watched any of the animated shows or read any books or whatever else I've missed, I had no idea who this Cad Bane was. But that scene when he came to town, with Venth (who hopefully/probably survived) confronting him with the following shoot out was great. All the camera shots made for an excellent on the nose homage to 60s spaghetti westerns. And I love it.

But goddammit, I hate if Jennifer Beals didn't survive that bomb (which feels unlikely?), I was expecting her showing up in several episodes forwards! Because, Jennifer Beals! Revenge her, Boba!

Anyhows, with all the stuff happening in this episode, the season finale feels very interesting now. Hope it meets the expectations.

 

[misjuevos]

Did anyone notice anything strange when the deputy makes a face to pull his gun? We then cut to Cobb and then back to the deputy who never pulled his gun. Cad had two pistols I wonder if there was a take where they used both and he shot both guys in succession. I did notice that the deputy had a cover on his holder and maybe forgot to open it. You see him die with his hand on the gun stuck in the holster. As he falls down he is still trying to pull the gun from the holster.

 

[DKDetective]

I have to say, who ever decided Luke would go old school with the rules, missed out on Luke going new age at the end of RotJ.

Yeah, I'm really surprised by the depiction of Luke's Jedi teachings. I would have thought Filoni would have been more savvy and depicted the shift in Jedi dogma after Order 66. I mean Kanan and Ezra were never portrayed this way.

I hope this isn't all some sort of retcon in support of the bungling of Luke's portrayal in TLJ. I mean Luke's disillusionment with Jedi dogma and seeming association of the rise of the Emperor with his own failings seems to be premised on the idea that Luke tried to revive the Jedi Order as it was... With the clinical, cold position on attachment.

 

[Sithborg]

Personally, Luke going "I will train to be a GREAT Jedi" is a reinforcement of TLJ, imo.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Oh I loved this episode so damn much, more Luke, THE Luke was so good to see, not that TLJ garbage. Throw in cute Grogu training, Ashoka and my first exposure to Cad Bane? Just YES!

 

[Sithborg]

And obviously, Gizmo is Luke's first student, because he had this conversation with Hera and she told Luke where he could stuff his lightsaber....

 

[MaceB]

My thoughts on the episode are mixed. I enjoyed seeing Luke and Ashoka of course. I've been waiting for that meeting and it was electric.

Luke's reconstruction was better than before, for sure. It wasn’t flawless… I could still tell that something was off with it, but I got less ‘uncanny valley’ vibes from it. The bigger issue that I now have with the technology is how limiting it seems to be for the performance. There were no major facial expressions going on here… no fast movement… eye moves, or anything dynamic whatsoever in this performance. It felt very doll like. Like Luke was stuck in an invisible box, and he was kind of this simple computer that could only do so much. That’s the perception I got from it.

The other big problem is the choice put on Grogu. I’m absolutely stunned that they have Luke enforcing the no-attachments rule of the old Jedi. That is extremely disappointing, and says a lot about where they are going in the future. It forebodes us never seeing Luke the trailblazer, who makes his own path and rights the wrongs of the Jedi. Instead… it looks like we could be getting a flawed Luke meticulously trying to recreate the old Jedi code, and that will be his fatal flaw that leads to Kylo. Essentially, doubling down on the area that I was hoping they would work on.

We will see. I liked seeing Luke again of course. Their plans just seem opposite of what I was hoping for.

Cad Bain was cool. Looked a little weird to me, but I think they were kind of locked in with how his species looks. I liked the gun fight. That was very cool!

 

[CaptainWagner]

Oh I loved this episode so damn much, more Luke, THE Luke was so good to see, not that TLJ garbage. Throw in cute Grogu training, Ashoka and my first exposure to Cad Bane? Just YES!

Is it though? Because as others pointed out, Luke suddenly dropping character to start pushing the old dogma feels much more in line with the failed Luke of TLJ than any other depiction of the character, who very clearly saw attachments as a strength, not a weakness.

 

[Marvolo]

Lack of attachments makes sense, because a jedi can't have any priorities except their duty and the Force. Anything else could compromise them.

The old order ****ed up by not talking about their own desires and emotions. Young jedi will have emotions and romantic feelings and they need to work through that **** with understanding and sympathetic adults instead of bottling it up or misunderstanding it. I dont mind Luke discouraging or prohibiting strong attachments, but I won't him to be there for his students when they develop attachments and instruct them in why its dangerous. Not put his foot down and walk away.

 

[antsman41]

You have to understand “we” know all of this. Luke really doesn’t know much… Yoda was very brief on information. Obi-Wan was obscure as ****.

They mostly only let him know what they wanted him to know, revolving around his personal life too.

The Empire destroyed a lot of info about the Jedi. We know from TLJ that he spends almost 20 years compiling very little historical artifacts depicting the legacy of the Jedi Order.

 

[CaptainWagner]

You have to understand “we” know all of this. Luke really doesn’t know much… Yoda was very brief on information. Obi-Wan was obscure as ****.

They mostly only let him know what they wanted him to know, revolving around his personal life too.

The Empire destroyed a lot of info about the Jedi. We know from TLJ that he spends almost 20 years compiling very little historical artifacts depicting the legacy of the Jedi Order.

That makes it make even less sense, IMO. Luke doing this with little access to ancient Jedi teachings would seem to imply he'd be teaching based on his own experience, not rejecting that experience to enforce a millennia-old code he barely knows. But that's the corner he's been written into. In order for the Sequels to work, he has to rebuild an Order with the same flaws as the old one. The ST has left this whole era in a state of arrested development, because it can never progress beyond the the retreaded status quo of TFA.

 

[BrollySupersj]

My only complaint is why are getting all of this in a show called Boba Fett?

Each show is a plug for another. It's all about the spinoffs man.

And can we please just get Sebastian Stan cast as young Luke? Please?

 

[Marvolo]

You have to understand “we” know all of this. Luke really doesn’t know much… Yoda was very brief on information. Obi-Wan was obscure as ****.

They mostly only let him know what they wanted him to know, revolving around his personal life too.

The Empire destroyed a lot of info about the Jedi. We know from TLJ that he spends almost 20 years compiling very little historical artifacts depicting the legacy of the Jedi Order.

Agreed, but TLJ also shows Yoda clearing this problem up when he tells Luke to put down the dogma books and pull his head out of his ass. It begs the question why isn't Yoda and Obi involved here. The implication in TLJ is that they couldn't manifest to Luke because he was cut off from the Force. At the time of these shows Luke is entirely open to the Firce so Obi and Yoda should be helping him and teaching him.

That makes it make even less sense, IMO. Luke doing this with little access to ancient Jedi teachings would seem to imply he'd be teaching based on his own experience, not rejecting that experience to enforce a millennia-old code he barely knows. But that's the corner he's been written into. In order for the Sequels to work, he has to rebuild an Order with the same flaws as the old one. The ST has left this whole era in a state of arrested development, because it can never progress beyond the the retreaded status quo of TFA.

Would it be smart for a man in his 30s to prioritize his own short life's experiences over the doctrine and dogma that has existed for thousands of years? Particularly just because some force users want to have attachments?

 

[antsman41]

That makes it make even less sense, IMO. Luke doing this with little access to ancient Jedi teachings would seem to imply he'd be teaching based on his own experience, not rejecting that experience to enforce a millennia-old code he barely knows. But that's the corner he's been written into. In order for the Sequels to work, he has to rebuild an Order with the same flaws as the old one. The ST has left this whole era in a state of arrested development, because it can never progress beyond the the retreaded status quo of TFA.

Blame George… he cornered any future SW project with how he wrote ROTJ back in 1983.

 

[antsman41]

Agreed, but TLJ also shows Yoda clearing this problem up when he tells Luke to put down the dogma books and pull his head out of his ass. It begs the question why isn't Yoda and Obi involved here. The implication in TLJ is that they couldn't manifest to Luke because he was cut off from the Force. At the time of these shows Luke is entirely open to the Firce so Obi and Yoda should be helping him and teaching him.




Would it be smart for a man in his 30s to prioritize his own experiences over the doctrine and dogma that existed for thousands of years. Particularly just because some force users want to have attachments?

Which is 20+ years after the current Mando/Boba shows. Luke had to fail to succeed. It’s a great story concept (stolen from Dune as well), but annoying to nerdy toy wielding kids from the 90’s.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Blame George… he cornered any future SW project with how he wrote ROTJ back in 1983.

What is this supposed to mean? I legitimately don't understand. How did George's ending of ROTJ force Abrams to undo all the promise of how that movie ended and force the status quo all the way back to ANH?

 

[BrollySupersj]

I honestly never liked the whole idea of Jedi not having attachments etc. I mean Luke went against that in ROTJ by attempting to save Darth Vader, not wanting to leave him. Same with going to save Han and Leia on Cloud City. I mean I never liked that type of lore of forbidden love with warriors. Call me a hopeless romantic but I view love and attachments as a motivator of duty, a motivation to battle evil. It's a reason to protect things.

 

[Sithborg]

I have to say, who ever decided Luke would go old school with the rules, missed out on Luke going new age at the end of RotJ.

I guess it depends on what he viewed as the problem with the old order. Luke has a fairly personal example of how attachments can be an issue. He is a righty because he acted impulsively to save his friends. Given Luke's training, his experiences, and even him meeting Ahsoka, it is easy for me to believe that Luke felt the problem with the old order wasn't the lack of personal attachments, but the Jedi's isolation, giving up their network of temples to center on Coruscant, and essentially becoming a branch of the republic government.

At least one of them (the one who likley saves Grogu)was - apperantly Barris Offee

Given last we saw her, a bit unlikely that she was rehabilitated that quickly.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I guess it depends on what he viewed as the problem with the old order. Luke has a fairly personal example of how attachments can be an issue. He is a righty because he acted impulsively to save his friends. Given Luke's training, his experiences, and even him meeting Ahsoka, it is easy for me to believe that Luke felt the problem with the old order wasn't the lack of personal attachments, but the Jedi's isolation, giving up their network of temples to center on Coruscant, and essentially becoming a branch of the republic government.

His personal attachment saved the galaxy. With his love and affection for his father and his father for him, we'd still be living in Sheev's Empire.

Jedi repress emotions and thus come off a lot like emotionally stunted men in our society. Those told not to feel, and are thus unable to talk about their feelings and then it builds. That's what happened with Anakin, who had to hide how he felt to be a Jedi. That went... poorly.

 

[Sithborg]

I honestly never liked the whole idea of Jedi not having attachments etc. I mean look went against that in ROTJ by attempting to save Darth Vader, not wanting to leave him. Same with going to save Han and Leia on Cloud City. I mean I never liked that type of lore of forbidden love with warriors. Call me a hopeless romantic but I view love and attachments as a motivator of duty, a motivation to battle evil. It's a reason to protect things.

Charles Soule canonized the concept of Jedi Romance holonovels. I demand examples of some trashy robe rippers.

Though seriously, it is fun with the new gen of Star Wars writers, writing Jedi as very, very horny.

 

[scarlet-witch]

I hate Luke.

I mean, not really but why can't Grogu have both? Why can't he wear armor to honor the man who risked his life for him AND learn the ways of the Force?

I'm so bothered.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I loved this episode of The Mandolorian and commercial for other Disney+ content. But again, the Boba Fett stuff is so minimal and didn't advance a ton. Boba has been in the last 2 episodes like 2 mins total. With 1 episode left. Awful pacing. Just awful.

The Mando stuff these last 2 episodes have been better than Boba Fett's whole show. Which is a major issue and I would call this series a failure overall.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I hate Luke.

I mean, not really but why can't Grogu have both? Why can't he wear armor to honor the man who risked his life for him AND learn the ways of the Force?

I'm so bothered.

Because Din's hotrod N1 has a baby seat. It's not for no reason, SW.

 

[samsnee]

I loved this episode of The Mandolorian and commercial for other Disney+ content. But again, the Boba Fett stuff is so minimal and didn't advance a ton. Boba has been in the last 2 episodes like 2 mins total. With 1 episode left. Awful pacing. Just awful.

The Mando stuff these last 2 episodes have been better than Boba Fett's whole show. Which is a major issue and I would call this series a failure overall.

Yeap. It’s like they realized halfway through what a stinker Boba was so they brought in the big guns

 

[DKDetective]

You have to understand “we” know all of this. Luke really doesn’t know much… Yoda was very brief on information. Obi-Wan was obscure as ****.

They mostly only let him know what they wanted him to know, revolving around his personal life too.

The Empire destroyed a lot of info about the Jedi. We know from TLJ that he spends almost 20 years compiling very little historical artifacts depicting the legacy of the Jedi Order.

But canon, including 7 seasons of Clone Wars, indicate that Yoda himself was questioning the old dogma and coming around to Qui-Gon's hippy love reformer views. Even Rian seems to acknowledge that in his portrayal of Yoda in TLJ, which begs the question why Yoda was not counseling Luke on these issues after ROTJ. The movie makes clear that Yoda remained there and available to counsel Luke, but for some reason seems to suggest that Yoda allowed Luke to go off and make 30 years of horrible mistakes before coming back to set him straight.

His personal attachment saved the galaxy. With his love and affection for his father and his father for him, we'd still be living in Sheev's Empire.

Jedi repress emotions and thus come off a lot like emotionally stunted men in our society. Those told not to feel, and are thus unable to talk about their feelings and then it builds. That's what happened with Anakin, who had to hide how he felt to be a Jedi. That went... poorly.

I don't get why people are suggesting that Luke would blindly follow orthodoxy now when he clearly didn't do that during the OT. He clearly trusts his own gut and judgment and any portrayal of Luke otherwise after ROTJ is clearly inconsistent.

Obi-Wan told him Anakin was lost and beyond saving, Luke rejected that and went with his own gut and using familial attachment to save the Galaxy and destroy the Sith. And Filoni has spent almost two decades in Star Wars animation establishing the idea that a reformist Jedi sect was rising following Order 66 and that their teachings were pivotal to the Jedi Order rising from the ashes around the time of the OT.