The Book of Boba Fett Chapter 6: From the Desert Comes a Stranger (Spoiler Discussion)

[DarthSkywalker]

 

[misjuevos]

Grogu's age was a pretty stupid decision. 900 years was chosen to show that Yoda was really really old. Time to learn and become wise beyond our understanding. I don't think anyone took that to mean his race matured so slowly that he'd be the equivalent of a human toddler at age 50.

I think you just knock off a 0 from his age and you get what age appearance Yoda and Grogu are. For example. Yoda at 900 looks like 90. Grogu at 50 looks 5. As far as their mental state that is another question. I think they still have the accumulated knowledge of their years alive, but the way Grogu acted in the Mandalorian he was very childish. We still don't know what happened during the fall of the temple. Maybe he is acting like Yoda did when Luke first met him. Maybe he is hiding his mental capacity or it is blocked by trauma or the force. We will learn more later on. Maybe his species has growth spurts. There might be a growth spurt coming up that will make him more like a teenager or adult. The mystery of Grogu is going to be milked for a while it seems. They still have to figure out a name for his species, a planet name, location, there is more world building coming up.
As far as maturing slowly; lets say at 200, our 20, he still has like 500-700 years of life to accrue knowledge as an adult. That is of course if his age is how I imagined by just knocking off a 0.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Cad Bane is the biggest thing that has happened to live action SW since Darth Vader. He is the SW equivalent of the villain from No Country For Old Men. Is he CG or practical character i cant tell but Cad Bane's screen presence was very foreboding. The whole atmosphere of the show changed for me and the stakes have gone up to a fever pitch. He could probably singlehandedly take down Krsantan, Din, Fennec all at once.

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[henzINNIT]

I think you just knock off a 0 from his age and you get what age appearance Yoda and Grogu are. For example. Yoda at 900 looks like 90. Grogu at 50 looks 5. As far as their mental state that is another question. I think they still have the accumulated knowledge of their years alive, but the way Grogu acted in the Mandalorian he was very childish. We still don't know what happened during the fall of the temple. Maybe he is acting like Yoda did when Luke first met him. Maybe he is hiding his mental capacity or it is blocked by trauma or the force. We will learn more later on. Maybe his species has growth spurts. There might be a growth spurt coming up that will make him more like a teenager or adult. The mystery of Grogu is going to be milked for a while it seems. They still have to figure out a name for his species, a planet name, location, there is more world building coming up.
As far as maturing slowly; lets say at 200, our 20, he still has like 500-700 years of life to accrue knowledge as an adult. That is of course if his age is how I imagined by just knocking off a 0.

But doesn't it sound ridiculous when you try to explain it? It's reduced an ancient, otherworldly being down to a relatively average pensioner. And now we can all picture Yoda hitting 130 and starting to throw teenage tantrums, which he'll presumably continue to do for several decades. It's a similar situation to old midichlorians debate. Demystified something, explained something that didn't want explaining, lessened something in the process.

Knocking off the 0, making Grogu a 5 year old, is also pretty generous for his level of communication. He seems much closer to a toddler than a child. It again makes Yoda's race so mundane. Worse even, kinda dumb. Grogu has lived and learned for 50 years, he's older than most of the people he meets, but he behaves more like a super-powered pet. And Yoda talking about patience suddenly seems pretty rich seeing as people will be born, live out their whole lives and die in less time than it took for him to hit puberty, ha.

 

[misjuevos]

But doesn't it sound ridiculous when you try to explain it? It's reduced an ancient, otherworldly being down to a relatively average pensioner. And now we can all picture Yoda hitting 130 and starting to throw teenage tantrums, which he'll presumably continue to do for several decades. It's a similar situation to old midichlorians debate. Demystified something, explained something that didn't want explaining, lessened something in the process.

Knocking off the 0, making Grogu a 5 year old, is also pretty generous for his level of communication. He seems much closer to a toddler than a child. It again makes Yoda's race so mundane. Worse even, kinda dumb. Grogu has lived and learned for 50 years, he's older than most of the people he meets, but he behaves more like a super-powered pet. And Yoda talking about patience suddenly seems pretty rich seeing as people will be born, live out their whole lives and die in less time than it took for him to hit puberty, ha.

Yeah I get your point. Maybe he hits a growth spurt. This species is still unexplored so anything can happen. Also maybe it's a language barrier. He might only be fluent in his species language, and is just piecing things together. We also don't know if Yoda spoke the way he did because of his species or their language. Grogu seems to understand force wielders better though. It may appear they are just speaking normal but they might be using the force as well.

 

[metaphysician]

Can the darkside use it? Can Dooku Grow his head back?

You joke, but technically speaking Darth Vader *did* use the Force to keep himself alive through having most of his body burned away. The Dark Side can do 'healing' of a sort, its just not the pleasant kind.

( I would guess that Jedi cannot completely regenerate a lost body part, but it might simply be a matter of "no one in this present day of Force Users has the power or knowledge to do so", rather than an absolute limit. )

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah I get your point. Maybe he hits a growth spurt. This species is still unexplored so anything can happen. Also maybe it's a language barrier. He might only be fluent in his species language, and is just piecing things together. We also don't know if Yoda spoke the way he did because of his species or their language. Grogu seems to understand force wielders better though. It may appear they are just speaking normal but they might be using the force as well.

An appearance in one of the High Republic novels has Yaddle speaking normally, so, who knows. Though, I am liking Luke's suggestion that Yoda does it on purpose, to speak in riddles as a teaching method.

As for Gizmo, there are 30 years unaccounted for. We do not know what his status was during those years. Was he in stasis? Was he awake and aware? What kind of effects of their testing would have on his cognitive development?

 

[Marvolo]

Grogu looked so pitiful in that Order 66 flashback with his ears drooping. I wonder if we'll find out in the finale who saved him in the temple?

 

[Karelia]

Any theories on who saved Grogu from the temple? I feel the safe answer is Jocasta Nu, but I'd love for it to be a bigger player/Jedi like Mace Windu, or maybe Quinlan Vos? We do know Vos survived Order 66.

I have watched this episode multiple times, it's absolutely beautiful in so many ways. When Luke has Grogu on his back... that scene gets me every time. Perfect soundtrack as well.

 

[Sithborg]

Assuming he was "saved". I assume the same program Palpatine had with kidnapping force sensitive babies was part of the attack on the Temple. So, it wouldn't surprise me if the creche was left untouched, and the babies sent to Mustafar.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Can they cast Sebastian Stan and end this uncanny valley nonsense? It doesn't work.

I probably wouldn't go with Stan, but at this point, yeah, it would be nice to just have an actor at this point. We aren't even getting Hamill's performance here. It's just this bizarre approximation. I thought the best thing they did for Solo was cast the crew. Ended up with a good Han and Lando.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Honestly, if they cast an actor as Luke, at this point I'll just think "This isn't Mark Hamill", so I'm pretty happy with what they do. It does work IMO. It doesn't have the same emotional resonance if it was just another actor. It's Mark Hamill as Luke we care to see, not so-and-so as Luke. He isn't a superhero like Batman, where recasting the part can work on the same level.

And Alden was an ok Han (too short), but if Han pops up in this series post-Jedi, it'll have to be a de-aged Harrison Ford for me. I'm fine with Alden pre-A New Hope era (so definitely in the Lando show), but it'll be just too weird having Mark Hamill back but not Ford in this era.

 

[Iceman]

I don’t have as high standards as most on this. I’m fine with the CG Luke we got here and it’s giving me a lot with Luke being one of my all-time favourite heroes and favourite Star Wars character. But I would also be very excited for a Stan or any other good actor who has a resemblance to young Luke. I also was fine with Alden. The CG for Leia wasn’t quite there though.

 

[Iceman]

I probably wouldn't go with Stan, but at this point, yeah, it would be nice to just have an actor at this point. We aren't even getting Hamill's performance here. It's just this bizarre approximation. I thought the best thing they did for Solo was cast the crew. Ended up with a good Han and Lando.

Also was happy with young Lando.

 

[Karelia]

I really don't mind CGI Luke at all, it's only going to improve as time goes on. I can see it getting a little strange if they have a scene with the big three (Luke, Leia, Han) and they're all CGI haha. We will see.

 

[Iceman]

I really don't mind CGI Luke at all, it's only going to improve as time goes on. I can see it getting a little strange if they have a scene with the big three (Luke, Leia, Han) and they're all CGI haha. We will see.

Yeah, that would be way too much at this stage.

 

[misjuevos]

Yeah Deepfake Luke is fine, and will only get better. It doesn't really matter though if they recast. The whole point is to have a young Luke, so I will take whatever they give us. Also you can see a couple deepfake Sebastian Stan as Luke, it seems like using him as the actor works fine.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Yeah, that would be way too much at this stage.

Yeah, this is why I'd prefer a recast, might be weird at first (but then again, CG Mark is also kinda weird no matter how well executed), but people will get used to it if they cast someone good. Just recast, or at the very least get a proper voice actor for CG Luke, because the voice is not working, it sounds like a robot, but please don't deepfake Han or Leia.

 

[Sithborg]

Honestly, if they cast an actor as Luke, at this point I'll just think "This isn't Mark Hamill", so I'm pretty happy with what they do. It does work IMO. It doesn't have the same emotional resonance if it was just another actor. It's Mark Hamill as Luke we care to see, not so-and-so as Luke. He isn't a superhero like Batman, where recasting the part can work on the same level.

And Alden was an ok Han (too short), but if Han pops up in this series post-Jedi, it'll have to be a de-aged Harrison Ford for me. I'm fine with Alden pre-A New Hope era (so definitely in the Lando show), but it'll be just too weird having Mark Hamill back but not Ford in this era.

It doesn't work, though. The voice stuff is BAD. The first recast is always the hardest, but you will live through it.

 

[Marvolo]

It doesn't work, though. The voice stuff is BAD. The first recast is always the hardest, but you will live through it.

The fanbase will live through a cgi Luke as well. Id rather they continue to improve cgi Luke so we dont have to deal with multiple recasts and aging actors over the years.

The voice can and likely will be improved. But I think they need to bring Mark in to record as much dialogue as possible to create a large audio archive that their systems can build new dialogue from.

 

[DarkKnight88]

It doesn't work, though. The voice stuff is BAD. The first recast is always the hardest, but you will live through it.

It doesn’t work? This has been decided by an online assembly of message board posters or something lol

 

[Sithborg]

The fanbase will live through a cgi Luke as well. The voice can and likely will be improved.

Id rather they continue to improve cgi Luke so we dont have to deal with multiple recasts and aging actors over the years.

To imagine living through the era of those hating on Lucas for his CGI obsession to finally see this argument.

[shakes head]

 

[Spider-Fan]

I am more bothered by Boba Fett's entire show being fairly awful except when it was hijacked by Mando and Disney+ content commercials than I am CG Luke. This show is about to end, and does it feel like anything of consequence has happened in the main plot?

I know when this show is over, I am never watching anything from it except the 1 Mando episode. I may even skip future Book of Boba Fett seasons as well.

 

[Karelia]

To imagine living through the era of those hating on Lucas for his CGI obsession to finally see this argument.

[shakes head]

Well, I think a lot of people who grew up with the prequels are old enough now to voice their opinions online and what not. And technology is only getting better. You don't have to worry about actor drama with a cgi face lol. It's still not perfect, but man it's come a long way since the "Tron: Legacy" days.

 

[Iceman]

I am more bothered by Boba Fett's entire show being fairly awful except when it was hijacked by Mando and Disney+ content commercials than I am CG Luke. This show is about to end, and does it feel like anything of consequence has happened in the main plot?

I know when this show is over, I am never watching anything from it except the 1 Mando episode. I may even skip future Book of Boba Fett seasons as well.

It’s been struggling to get started and then they do a massive sidestep and showcase the rest of the SW show universe with barely a look at the character the show is about. I don’t remember seeing anything like it before but if done, it should only come once the named show has properly found its feet and has shown why it needs to exist. Both of the last episodes were a great watch but the show overall is not doing a great job of showcasing the best of Boba Fett.