Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 58

[DarthSkywalker]

But they are pretty sparse. He is mostly serious in it. As it should be. Infinity War played as a comedy would be a different film.

There is comedy throughout, involving plenty of characters. They have Hulk prat falling all over the third act.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

There are a lot of things to resent Whedon for, so I'll let that slide.


Well as one who doesn't like Infinity War, this would be the part where I point out that Tony, GotG, Strange, Bruce, and Spidey have a jokes per minute that negate the "serious" tone if that's your barometer. But hey, I'm one who laughs at the slow mo toss of Gamora and floating Red Skull in all their absurdity.

but they have a pretty limited screen time. Even if they have a joke per minute it’s still a small part of a pretty serious movie. All the Thanos stuff is played straight.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think there is more comedy than yall remember there being

It's like people remember the opening and ending, and just ignore the rest of the flick. Thor's intro to the GotG is him being a bug on their windshield, before a lot of poking and prodding, and references to Quill being an inch away from being fat.

In the same vein, we have those that ignore Thor's heart to hearts with Valkyrie, Loki, Odin. The sense of dread at Hela's first appearance and the destruction of the safety of the bifrost. The "God of Hammers" sequence. Both what leads up to it, and how it ends.

The "serious" moments of Ragnarok are ignored, because it makes I guess, more memorable jokes.

 

[Drizzle]

I will forever resent Joss Whedon for ignoring the beautiful set up that Branagh gave him at the end of the movie where the Bifrost was destroyed and Thor had no way to return back to earth. That could have made for a dramatic story point in The Avengers: How will Thor get to earth to stop his brother?!! Oh no, well, Odin’s got some deux ex machina magic stored up to get you there and back so no worries. Smh.

Whedon made it pretty clear that Thor was his least favorite of the team anyway since he sidelined him in both of his Avengers movies.

 

[Ninjablade]

Thor vs. Loki during the climax... that's brotherhood in a nutshell.

Still one of my favorite confrontations in the MCU. Thor choosing to to destroy the Bifrost >>>

 

[Blade Hoarder]

Infinity war could be an actual comedy. It would be a different film but it could work. This is where Thanos’ real story comes into play. Imagine a comedic infinity war where Thanos is the space incel pining for Lady Death’s “love”. He goes on a wacky adventure to find the remaining infinity orbs while death laughs at him.

 

[kguillou]

Whedon made it pretty clear that Thor was his least favorite of the team anyway since he sidelined him in both of his Avengers movies.

Believe me I could tell from the ridiculous wigs he made Hemsworth wear in both of his movies. Lol

 

[DarthSkywalker]

but they have a pretty limited screen time. Even if they have a joke per minute it’s still a small part of a pretty serious movie. All the Thanos stuff is played straight.

So does Thor. Tony has more screen time then him. And Thanos has 30 mins of screen time. And no it isn't. Tony jokes while taking on his crew.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's like people remember the opening and ending, and just ignore the rest of the flick. Thor's intro to the GotG is him being a bug on their windshield, before a lot of poking and prodding, and references to Quill being an inch away from being fat.

In the same vein, we have those that ignore Thor's heart to hearts with Valkyrie, Loki, Odin. The sense of dread at Hela's first appearance and the destruction of the safety of the bifrost. The "God of Hammers" sequence. Both what leads up to it, and how it ends.

The "serious" moments of Ragnarok are ignored, because it makes I guess, more memorable jokes.

Or that scene with Drax eating chips and saying he is invisible. Or why is Gamora. Or the plan session the Guardians keep derailing. Or the Tony/Peter banter.

IW has a ton of comedy. Serious cinema it isn't, lol

 

[Ninjablade]

It's like people remember the opening and ending, and just ignore the rest of the flick. Thor's intro to the GotG is him being a bug on their windshield, before a lot of poking and prodding, and references to Quill being an inch away from being fat.

In the same vein, we have those that ignore Thor's heart to hearts with Valkyrie, Loki, Odin. The sense of dread at Hela's first appearance and the destruction of the safety of the bifrost. The "God of Hammers" sequence. Both what leads up to it, and how it ends.

The "serious" moments of Ragnarok are ignored, because it makes I guess, more memorable jokes.

Yeah, I don't really get this idea that Thor is a complete joke in that film. One of Ragnarok's best moments is Thor being pensive after being put in the Grandmaster's prison, much to Loki's annoyance.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Or that scene with Drax eating chips and saying he is invisible. Or why is Gamora. Or the plan session the Guardians keep derailing. Or the Tony/Peter banter.

IW has a ton of comedy. Serious cinema it isn't, lol

I honestly think it has to do with how self-important Thanos is, mixed with the snap. I also think there is a conflation with "dry" and "serious". Ragnarok takes it's characters and story seriously. What it doesn't do is play any of it as dry.

But in Infinity War, during the "super serious" final battle, Hulk is a running joke and even Cap stops mid battle to crack one himself.

 

[MasterBoss]

It's like people remember the opening and ending, and just ignore the rest of the flick. Thor's intro to the GotG is him being a bug on their windshield, before a lot of poking and prodding, and references to Quill being an inch away from being fat.

In the same vein, we have those that ignore Thor's heart to hearts with Valkyrie, Loki, Odin. The sense of dread at Hela's first appearance and the destruction of the safety of the bifrost. The "God of Hammers" sequence. Both what leads up to it, and how it ends.

The "serious" moments of Ragnarok are ignored, because it makes I guess, more memorable jokes.

I'm not saying Ragnarok doesn't have serious moments, but they are often undercut by jokes, or making fun of past events. From the demon Surtur being made the butt of jokes, to the unfulfilling deaths of the Warriors Three, Hulk being turned into a buffoon when he was a force of nature in past films, making fun of Loki's genuine suicide attempt, etc.

The opening scene of Thor stealing the crown of Surter is indicative of the whole movie. Could have been a really serious scene.. but instead it's Thor flying around with 80's music, the guy doesn't feel like he's in danger.

For crying out loud, Odin's original demise was going to be him as some kind of drunk hobo living in an alleyway and spouting goofy nonsense before Waititi came to his senses on that one, realized the movie needed some genuine emotion and reshot that whole scene.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm not saying Ragnarok doesn't have serious moments, but they are often undercut by jokes, or making fun of past events. From the demon Surtur being made the butt of jokes, to the unfulfilling deaths of the Warriors Three, Hulk being turned into a buffoon when he was a force of nature in past films, making fun of Loki's genuine suicide attempt, etc.

The opening scene of Thor stealing the crown of Surter is indicative of the whole movie. Could have been a really serious scene.. but instead it's Thor flying around with 80's music, the guy doesn't feel like he's in danger.

For crying out loud, Odin's original demise was going to be him as some kind of drunk hobo living in an alleyway and spouting goofy nonsense before Waititi came to his senses on that one, realized the movie needed some genuine emotion and reshot that whole scene.

How is the Hulk a buffoon? What movie treated the Warriors Three in a way that wasn't "unfulfilling"? Loki's "genuine suicide attempt"?

The opening could have been super serious. Which imo, would've made it much worse. The opening is one of my favorite MCU scenes, because it captures the fun and excitement of a comic book superhero. It's fun, funny, and epic. You don't feel that way, that's fine. But if your answer is, "it needed to be serious to be good and epic", I get why it isn't a movie for you.

Also, why would he be in danger at the start of the movie? It's clearly setup to show us Thor adventuring, and just how powerful he is, especially with his hammer. Which is contrasted by his encounter with Hela, where the crap hits the fan and he loses his hammer. It plays like his encounter with the frost giants in the first flick, where he is never in danger.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Less then 10 minutes into TDW:

"Hey, one of the two actors of color. Stay home, with your people. We have Idris."

I should've known then...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There is no way the original intention for the aether to be the reality stone. How it works in the film doesn't lend itself to that idea, plus there are so many things they don't do with it. Which while not being the biggest indicator, shows how haphazardly it was all put together.

 

[Sithborg]

I'm not saying Ragnarok doesn't have serious moments, but they are often undercut by jokes, or making fun of past events. From the demon Surtur being made the butt of jokes, to the unfulfilling deaths of the Warriors Three, Hulk being turned into a buffoon when he was a force of nature in past films, making fun of Loki's genuine suicide attempt, etc.

The opening scene of Thor stealing the crown of Surter is indicative of the whole movie. Could have been a really serious scene.. but instead it's Thor flying around with 80's music, the guy doesn't feel like he's in danger.

For crying out loud, Odin's original demise was going to be him as some kind of drunk hobo living in an alleyway and spouting goofy nonsense before Waititi came to his senses on that one, realized the movie needed some genuine emotion and reshot that whole scene.

Considering the green screen they used, I am going to say it was a mistake to reshoot that scene they way they did...

 

[Ninjablade]

There is no way the original intention for the aether to be the reality stone. How it works in the film doesn't lend itself to that idea, plus there are so many things they don't do with it. Which while not being the biggest indicator, shows how haphazardly it was all put together.

Will always be such a bizarre choice. Here's this weird sludge that does... sludge stuff. And oh by the way, it's one of the six most important things in the universe.

 

[Man in the Suit]

Those Love and Thunder reviews... I guess Taika Waititi was riffing on a level that wasn't frickin sublime.

Spoiler: Just that awful Free Guy promo

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Again, MCU is very successful and I'm not denying that. But looking at the largely tepid response quality wise (not financially) to a lot Phase 4, I'm wondering if it's getting too big for him to shepard "alone"
Obviously he has a team working with him and I don't know the inner workings of the Marvel Studios so I'm just making convo. But looking at the MCU, that's a lot of things to try and keep quality control up for. It's very impressive that even the bad MCU is still better than a lot of what's out there blockbuster wise.

But maybe Feige needs someone who monitors just the TV and then someone who looks at just the movies, but he will have the last word on both. I think some things are falling by the wayside a bit

EDIT: Because idk how they hell he's going to fit in the X-Men and their full franchise potential as it stands now. I really don't

I'm starting to think that Feige is spread way too thin with both film and TV projects. I'm also starting to think that maybe his team of execs don't have the same eye he does and have helped guide the MCU in the wrong direction for Phase 4 and beyond. They seem to be pushing/following fast-dated trends while going too heavy-handed with how they address certain topics just so they appeal/pander to a small subset of the fanbase while somewhat alienating long-time MCU fans. I think Phase 3 was the probably the smartest group of films from top to bottom of any MCU phase in how they handled certain topics. Phase 4 just outright clubs people over the head with them.

Another thing that I think causing issues with Phase 4 is how these films were developed/written/filmed compared to Phase 3. Phase 3 had all the different films working near one another in the Marvel offices, where they shared and collaborated with one another while working towards IW and Endgame. Phase 4 has largely been done by each film's writer/director teams in their own isolated, remote bubbles with little collaboration from other projects and no set working goal at the end of the phase.

 

[Sithborg]

I'm starting to think that Feige is spread way too thin with both film and TV projects. I'm also starting to think that maybe his team of execs don't have the same eye he does and have helped guide the MCU in the wrong direction for Phase 4 and beyond. They seem to be pushing/following fast-dated trends while going too heavy-handed with how they address certain topics just so they appeal/pander to a small subset of the fanbase while somewhat alienating long-time MCU fans. I think Phase 3 was the probably the smartest group of films from top to bottom of any MCU phase in how they handled certain topics. Phase 4 just outright clubs people over the head with them.

What trends is are the films chasing? About the only trend I see is "Gotta get that China money", which oops, the dictator has said he has other plans for his countries media consumption. Some clarification on "certain topics" would be helpful. Because I have no idea what you are talking about.

Now granted, the TV side is all about that social media engagement. Every episode has something they think will go viral and keep talking about their eps

 

[Marvel united]

Just finished episode 5 of Ms. Marvel

Spoiler

The X-Men will be just fine.

 

[flickchick85]

Well Love & Thunder is definitely my new favorite Thor movie. By a lot.

But I can see how it’s gonna be way TOO Taika for a lot of people.

Also it took 11 years but I’m finally shipping Thor/Jane.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Count me as another who loves the first Thor movie. THE most under rated MCU flick for me and by some way also.

 

[henzINNIT]

I dislike the way George Lucas 'special edition'd his movies, but can Marvel please recolour Thor's eyebrows in that first movie? It's the thing I most vivdly remember from the entire experience.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I dislike the way George Lucas 'special edition'd his movies, but can Marvel please recolour Thor's eyebrows in that first movie? It's the thing I most vivdly remember from the entire experience.

Just get the stellar effects team from the theatrical cut of Justice League to remove them.

 

[MadVillainy]

I like Thor 1. It's not perfect, it's not something I ever get the urge to watch and it looks really cheap, but it's an enjoyable ride with some fun performances and moments. And for someone who had no interest in Thor before the movie, it did make me like the character.

I also think Jane and Thor had some of best chemistry compared to a lot of blockbusters. Even though they only knew each other for a short time. I really felt like these were 2 people really attracted to each other's looks and personalities rather than "Oh they just like each other because the movie/story told them too". That did leave in The Dark World though...