Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

[shauner111]

I can’t wait for the Knightmare movie starring Henry Cavill, Ben Affleck, Joe Manganiello, Ezra Miller, Ray Fisher, Amber Heard and Jared Leto. Just top notch acting right there. The razzies are rubbing their hands together for sure.

 

[heatvision38]

I can’t wait for the Knightmare movie starring Henry Cavill, Ben Affleck, Joe Manganiello, Ezra Miller, Ray Fisher, Amber Heard and Jared Leto. Just top notch acting right there. The razzies are rubbing their hands together for sure.

Gotta hand you the Optimist of the Year award.

 

[emielaen]

Lol it’s not like these JL threads are just pouring over with joy.

 

[Superchan]

That clickbait website Small Screen UK and Edward Lauder probably. And probably Mario-Francisco Robles.

I don't know much about the former 2 sites but the latter (Mario Robles) is legit. When he was talking about WB being close to giving Cavill his solo Superman film he wasn't wrong, but it was at that point that the negotiations broke down and the whole thing became messy and public.

I blame Cavill's wooden acting on Snyder's garbage ideas and direction and those god awful scripts that Goyer and Terrio wrote. For the love of god MOS was 2hr and 13 min long and the film had a grand total of 5 mins (maybe less) of levity and then there is that abomination people call BvS, Cavill had something like 40 lines, one of which was "no one stays good in this world anymore". How is Cavill supposed to deliver when his Superman (who is supposed to be the symbol of hope) is delivering such garbage nihilistic statements like that, not to mention that all the parts where he played a journalist CK were cut to set up a JL movie.
I watched all 4 seasons of the Tutors and Cavill went from strength to strength not to mention his 2 hr long James Bond audition aka. Man from UNCLE where he was allowed to exhibit a modicum of personality.

I said it before and will continue to repeat it, Cavill is not out, he's gonna be Superman for a long time and he will get his solo(s) sooner than you all think. I am more than happy to eat crow if I turn out to be wrong and have you all remind me of it as long as you naysayers are willing to do the same.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

If casual moviegoing audiences were more enthusiastic about Henry Cavill, the Superman franchise might not be in this situation it currently finds itself in. Flickchick makes a valid point.

I would believe this if rumors of more Harley projects weren't going around. Audiences rejected Margot but WB hasn't thrown her to the side or rebooted the franchise

 

[heatvision38]

I don't know much about the former 2 sites but the latter (Mario Robles) is legit. When he was talking about WB being close to giving Cavill his solo Superman film he wasn't wrong, but it was at that point that the negotiations broke down and the whole thing became messy and public.

I blame Cavill's wooden acting on Snyder's garbage ideas and direction and those god awful scripts that Goyer and Terrio wrote. For the love of god MOS was 2hr and 13 min long and the film had a grand total of 5 mins (maybe less) of levity and then there is that abomination people call BvS, Cavill had something like 40 lines, one of which was "no one stays good in this world anymore". How is Cavill supposed to deliver when his Superman (who is supposed to be the symbol of hope) is delivering such garbage nihilistic statements like that, not to mention that all the parts where he played a journalist CK were cut to set up a JL movie.
I watched all 4 seasons of the Tutors and Cavill went from strength to strength not to mention his 2 hr long James Bond audition aka. Man from UNCLE where he was allowed to exhibit a modicum of personality.

I said it before and will continue to repeat it, Cavill is not out, he's gonna be Superman for a long time and he will get his solo(s) sooner than you all think. I am more than happy to eat crow if I turn out to be wrong and have you all remind me of it as long as you naysayers are willing to do the same.

I don't want you to eat crow.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't know much about the former 2 sites but the latter (Mario Robles) is legit. When he was talking about WB being close to giving Cavill his solo Superman film he wasn't wrong, but it was at that point that the negotiations broke down and the whole thing became messy and public.

I blame Cavill's wooden acting on Snyder's garbage ideas and direction and those god awful scripts that Goyer and Terrio wrote. For the love of god MOS was 2hr and 13 min long and the film had a grand total of 5 mins (maybe less) of levity and then there is that abomination people call BvS, Cavill had something like 40 lines, one of which was "no one stays good in this world anymore". How is Cavill supposed to deliver when his Superman (who is supposed to be the symbol of hope) is delivering such garbage nihilistic statements like that, not to mention that all the parts where he played a journalist CK were cut to set up a JL movie.
I watched all 4 seasons of the Tutors and Cavill went from strength to strength not to mention his 2 hr long James Bond audition aka. Man from UNCLE where he was allowed to exhibit a modicum of personality.

I said it before and will continue to repeat it, Cavill is not out, he's gonna be Superman for a long time and he will get his solo(s) sooner than you all think. I am more than happy to eat crow if I turn out to be wrong and have you all remind me of it as long as you naysayers are willing to do the same.

Not looking so legit:

Armie Hammer Is In Final Talks To Be THE BATMAN (Exclusive) - Revenge of The Fans

Couldn't we say the same for Batfleck? And WW was in 1 well received movie and in 2 movies not well-received. I think this is reductive reasoning being put forth.

Yes. Sure, Wonder Woman 1984 wasn't as well received critically, but it was also released straight to streaming during a global pandemic. It never had the chance of a true theatrical release.

Not sure why it's reductive reasoning. Cavill's movie came first. It didn't bomb, but it wasn't a homerun either. It was more like they hit a triple and then they rushed a Batman v Superman out next, which was a mistake.

 

[shauner111]

I would believe this if rumors of more Harley projects weren't going around. Audiences rejected Margot but WB hasn't thrown her to the side or rebooted the franchise

Audiences didn’t reject Margot, one of the biggest stars in Hollywood. They rejected Birds of Prey.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Audiences didn’t reject Margot, one of the biggest stars in Hollywood. They rejected Birds of Prey.

Yeah, this. Birds of Prey is a messy but underrated gem (way better than the massively overrated Deadpool in terms of superhero comedies) and I will defend it to death but it not landing didn't have anything to do with Margot being unpopular. Her star is so much brighter than Cavill's it's not even comparable. She's also, you know, massively more talented and I say this as someone who really likes Henry even if I'm lukewarm on his Superman.

The Suicide Squad will probably be massive, she's either the lead or close to it, that's gonna be more telling.

 

[Spider-jedi]

yeah i dont think it right to say Margot was rejected. BoP was just a very bad movie IMO but she was still good in it. most of the cast and the story was terrible. She's in a different ball park as an actress. I think any actor who would have played Zacks superman would be in the same boat based on what ZS gave the character.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

BoP, for how much Snyder fans seem to universally hate it, is kind of in the same boat as his movies even if the tone and style is antithetical: it's a niche film. It appeals to a particular subset of people and didn't connect with the mainstream. Part of that was bad marketing, but never the less.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I think they’re all big stars with big fan bases, but sometimes you make movies that for a million variables just don’t land.

Beyond something like a global pandemic, it can be tough to nail down a singular reason why a movie fails. Even tougher why movies don’t happen on a particular timeline. But I find it rarely has much to do with star power or the perception of such.

 

[TheVileOne]

BoP, for how much Snyder fans seem to universally hate it, is kind of in the same boat as his movies even if the tone and style is antithetical: it's a niche film. It appeals to a particular subset of people and didn't connect with the mainstream. Part of that was bad marketing, but never the less.

I think Birds of Prey is OK, I just don't think it works very well as a Birds of Prey story when it should be more of a Harley Quinn story. The direction they took with Black Mask was...a choice. I get why they did it, but I don't think it completely works.

But I like that they tried something different between the R-rating and the Looney Tunes violence and gore which works from the perspective of Harley Quinn's warped mind.

I think the Harley Quinn animated series did a better job of probably realizing what the movie should've been. Harley Quinn striking out on her own and starting her own crew, clashing with a supervillain or gang boss who is worse and more dangerous than her, possibly teaming up with Poison Ivy rather than mashing it up with Birds of Prey.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Harley Quinn in the animated series is the best version of that character by far, no disagreement that it did it better.

BoP's Black Mask is a huge improvement on the boring as **** comics version. Easily my favourite DCEU villain. He's hilarious and there's a lot of really interesting, kinda bold subtext to him about queer misogyny I wish the film had explored more.

 

[heatvision38]

Not looking so legit:

Armie Hammer Is In Final Talks To Be THE BATMAN (Exclusive) - Revenge of The Fans



Yes. Sure, Wonder Woman 1984 wasn't as well received critically, but it was also released straight to streaming during a global pandemic. It never had the chance of a true theatrical release.

Not sure why it's reductive reasoning. Cavill's movie came first. It didn't bomb, but it wasn't a homerun either. It was more like they hit a triple and then they rushed a Batman v Superman out next, which was a mistake.

It's reductive because it doesn't look at the reasons why a movie didn't do well. BvS and JL did not do well and Affleck had a bigger role in the first and a much bigger role in the latter. Do we automatically say the audience is rejecting him? There's usually more context to why a movie does not do well than just rejecting the lead actors.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

Audiences didn’t reject Margot, one of the biggest stars in Hollywood. They rejected Birds of Prey.

Audiences didn't reject Henry, star of one of the biggest shows on planet earth. They rejected the movies

See? I can play that game too

Audiences rejected Margot and her take on Harley hence why BOP flopped. Fact

 

[flickchick85]

Audiences didn't reject Henry, star of one of the biggest shows on planet earth. They rejected the movies

See? I can play that game too

Audiences rejected Margot and her take on Harley hence why BOP flopped. Fact

One movie vs. Three. False equivalency. Audiences embraced Margot in SS (against all odds considering that was a far worse movie than BoP, imo). Henry’s been rejected 3 times in row. Two of his movies arguably weren’t even as bad as SS, either. He just ain’t a draw for the GA. Neither is Affleck really anymore, for that matter.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

At the end of the day, Henry was dealt a crummy hand in terms of creative quality, regardless of his talent. Flyby was supposed to be his big break and that never got off the ground. Then all those years later he gets his shot right as the CBM craze really gets going, but people aren’t responding to the material he’s given.

I feel for the dude, especially knowing that he’s a fan and just wanted to play a more traditional version of the character.

 

[emielaen]

Lol bc saying fact at the end of your opinion makes it true.

I'd say poor marketing played a much bigger role than "Margot's been rejected". She helped make Quinn the Halloween costume for woman and I think people will certainly be all over her in TSS. Gunn said she was his favorite to write so he probably has some great moments for Robbie to get into.

 

[shauner111]

Audiences didn't reject Henry, star of one of the biggest shows on planet earth. They rejected the movies

See? I can play that game too

Audiences rejected Margot and her take on Harley hence why BOP flopped. Fact

LMAO. Are you seriously comparing Henry’s stardom to Margot’s? You’re the real life bubble boy. Not even the same stratosphere bub.

It is not a fact. Birds of Prey was marketed poorly. That’s a fact Jack. If it was called Harley Quinn and they promoted it properly...

Margot was the most talked about cast member of Suicide Squad. Which is why she got her own movie. The mainstream rejected Margot Robbie? Nah they embraced her as they have since Wolf of Wall Street. She’s respected in the industry. The mainstream audience Are the majority seeing these movies, so to say they’ve rejected her is hilarious. Nah they rejected the concept of Birds of Prey.

Now if you want to argue that the mainstream have rejected the concept of Snyder’s movies and not so much Henry Cavill the actor then ok fair enough. But your side of the argument doesn’t add up. All I know is, Henry isn’t as known as some of you folks think.

 

[BlackSuitTrael]

@Superchan, just out of curiosity, when was the last time you reached out to your source and will you again in the future?

 

[Dar]

I think there are as many if not more people who like Cavill in spite of Snyder than because of Snyder. Especially fans who found him by way of MI:6 and The Witcher both of which made him more popular than Snyder's Superman ever did. While I personally like Zack's movies, he's just not for the masses and I think being tied to the Snyderverse drags Henry down. I bet he thinks so too though you'll never hear him say that. I'd find it easier to move on if we get a more traditional Superman in Justice League but I'm not convinced we're getting much of that (or him) at all frankly. I'm happy to be wrong though. If it's the last time we see Henry as Superman, I really hope the potential is realized and he gets to play the Superman he wanted, however brief.

 

[Da-Scribe]

This is a weird discussion. Only one of Henry’s Superman outings failed at the box office and it was in a team movie. You could just as easily say the audience rejected Gadot or Momoa.

Putting the success or failure of a movie squarely on the shoulders of a lead actor in said movie is just an odd way to go about it. It’s typically a lot more nuanced than that. I also suspect many of you know this already and just want to argue lol.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Imagine passing on McQuarrie in favor of JJ and some dude that's never written a script

WB gonna WB

This is what I really don’t get

WB are just self sabotaging themselves with some very dumb decisions

 

[Da-Scribe]

What was McQuarrie’s Superman pitch?