Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Silvermoth]

Also iceman and someone nice would be really good

 

[Marvel united]

Hearing some things about Ms. Marvel and the Inhumans that is remarkably close to the X-Men/mutants.

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if Marvel goes the Ultimate route to differentiate mutants and Inhumans, and give the mutants their own identity-- since the Inhumans seem to be doing the classic X-Men dynamic already. Its not something I'd be thrilled about but I'd accept it

 

[psylockolussus]

Also iceman and someone nice would be really good

I want Iceman and Colossus.

 

[Silvermoth]

Cute! And also hot.

I want colussus but in his hellfire gala outfit

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Seriously some of those decisions Fox/Singer made was so random. Don’t put Rogue and Gambit together, one of the most prominent couples in X-Men outside of Scott and Jean, no put Rogue with Iceman.

Have her cry about him and not being able to kiss him for Atleast 3-4 movies too. So silly.

Yes at times his lack of knowledge of the comics was…extremely evident

Are we NOT going to be honest about how the MCU has taken some rather large liberties with relationships from the comics?

Bruce Banner and Natasha were never a thing in the books.

Scott Lang doesn't know a Hope Van Dyne/Pym.

We all know of the Zendaya MJ drama.

There's the intimation of the relationship between Carol and Monica's mother.

There's then the changing in status of non romantic relationships as well.

Hela is not Thor's sister.

Cap and Bucky didn't grow up together.

Star-Lord's dad isn't Ego.

Tony Stark and Bruce Banner did not create Ultron.

There's prolly more I can't think of off the top of my head.


I wish people would stop deifying Marvel Studios as being some standard of purity in adapting these characters and their worlds.

The same deviation from canon that happened at Fox for close to twenty years also happens at Marvel Studios for the last 13.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Are we NOT going to be honest about how the MCU has taken some rather large liberties with relationships from the comics?

Bruce Banner and Natasha were never a thing in the books.

Scott Lang doesn't know a Hope Van Dyne/Pym.

We all know of the Zendaya MJ drama.

There's the intimation of the relationship between Carol and Monica's mother.

There's then the changing in status of non romantic relationships as well.

Hela is not Thor's sister.

Cap and Bucky didn't grow up together.

Star-Lord's dad isn't Ego.

Tony Stark and Bruce Banner did not create Ultron.

There's prolly more I can't think of off the top of my head.


I wish people would stop deifying Marvel Studios as being some standard of purity in adapting these characters and their worlds.

The same deviation from canon that happened at Fox for close to twenty years also happens at Marvel Studios for the last 13.

But who was defending Marvel Studios and some of their deviations in the first place homie? But since we're talking about it I will say this: some of the liberties they have taken are random, but IMO they also really work. It gives them their own distinction and while it may not be always comic accurate, it helps with the stories that they are telling.

For example, I for one like the Carol Danvers/Rambeaus relationships, Cap and Bucky growing up together in Brooklyn is cool, I really didn't mind Bruce/Natasha. But the things like Spider-Man being influenced by Stark and just his corner of the MCU in general and Wanda at the moment not being a mutant but the 'Scarlet Witch' of lore (when they had a good opportunity to set up her being a mutant in WandaVision) are deviations that I don't necessarily care for.

But I say all that to say that I have more faith in Marvel Studios to deliver than I do with Fox. Fox didn't even give us comic accurate choices, so if Feige and his people f*** around and try to be different from what we were given we might actually see more accuracy with the X-Men this time around.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

We all know of the Zendaya MJ drama.

^ This one is easily the worst for me.

Mary Jane is my favorite Marvel female and her relationship with Peter is the greatest Marvel romance.

It was atrocious in the Raimi films. Once Spidey went back to Marvel, I figured they would finally get it right. I mean, it couldn't be worse than before.

They screwed it up even harder than the previous films.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Mary Jane always getting the live action shaft.

 

[Herofan]

I think Feige can arrange that.

I thought the costumed henchmen Captain America fought in the beginning of The Winter Soldier looked *a lot* like the X-Men of First Class and that was a deliberate diss.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

You talking about Batroc the leaper?

 

[Iceman]

I thought the costumed henchmen Captain America fought in the beginning of The Winter Soldier looked *a lot* like the X-Men of First Class and that was a deliberate diss.

Hmm, I’m trying to remember what they looked like. I’ll have to rewatch the beginning.

 

[Marvel united]

But who was defending Marvel Studios and some of their deviations in the first place homie? But since we're talking about it I will say this: some of the liberties they have taken are random, but IMO they also really work. It gives them their own distinction and while it may not be always comic accurate, it helps with the stories that they are telling.

For example, I for one like the Carol Danvers/Rambeaus relationships, Cap and Bucky growing up together in Brooklyn is cool, I really didn't mind Bruce/Natasha. But the things like Spider-Man being influenced by Stark and just his corner of the MCU in general and Wanda at the moment not being a mutant but the 'Scarlet Witch' of lore (when they had a good opportunity to set up her being a mutant in WandaVision) are deviations that I don't necessarily care for.

But I say all that to say that I have more faith in Marvel Studios to deliver than I do with Fox. Fox didn't even give us comic accurate choices, so if Feige and his people f*** around and try to be different from what we were given we might actually see more accuracy with the X-Men this time around.

I hear you I hear you. But the thing is, though, I could see Marvel Studios making the same or similarly major changes to their version of the X-Men. And their X-Men may be a radically different take, especially if Marvel goes hard on the Inhumans stuff again, and has to make the franchise feel distinct from what they're doing with that

I know we all have our problems with the Fox films, but, for the most part, they feel like pretty faithful adaptations. Jean is still Jean, Cyclops is Cyclops, Storm is still Storm, even if they are reduced to a single a trait. I think Singer did actually nail the core and heart of the X-Men franchise. The changes don't feel any different from the changes the MCU makes for the sake of story

Take Rogue for example. Pretty different character in the films vs the comics (like MCU Janet Van Dyne) but the core of Rogue is still there; how she deals with this problem (her powers), is what's changed.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

But who was defending Marvel Studios and some of their deviations in the first place homie? But since we're talking about it I will say this: some of the liberties they have taken are random, but IMO they also really work. It gives them their own distinction and while it may not be always comic accurate, it helps with the stories that they are telling.

For example, I for one like the Carol Danvers/Rambeaus relationships, Cap and Bucky growing up together in Brooklyn is cool, I really didn't mind Bruce/Natasha. But the things like Spider-Man being influenced by Stark and just his corner of the MCU in general and Wanda at the moment not being a mutant but the 'Scarlet Witch' of lore (when they had a good opportunity to set up her being a mutant in WandaVision) are deviations that I don't necessarily care for.

But I say all that to say that I have more faith in Marvel Studios to deliver than I do with Fox. Fox didn't even give us comic accurate choices, so if Feige and his people f*** around and try to be different from what we were given we might actually see more accuracy with the X-Men this time around.

Ya'll were making it like "Oh... The OTHER studios get these ships wrong but we are 100% certain MS is gonna get it RIGHT."

And... The track history proves they do not get it "right" all the time if right is defined as hewing to source material.

And I agree... Many things they have done work. I'm open to all kinds of changes. But let us not pretend that Feige and Co. ALWAYS do things, um... By the book.

 

[Iceman]

Ya'll were making it like "Oh... The OTHER studios get these ships wrong but we are 100% certain MS is gonna get it RIGHT."

And... The track history proves they do not get it "right" all the time if right is defined as hewing to source material.

And I agree... Many things they have done work. I'm open to all kinds of changes. But let us not pretend that Feige and Co. ALWAYS do things, um... By the book.

I just reread the posts on the last couple of pages. People were critical of Fox but not saying MCU is going to nail romances, more listing what romances they want to see from the MCU version. We’ve all seen Bruce Natasha and Zendaya Peter leaving a lot to be desired within the MCU.

Whether they execute well or not, the modern day MCU IMO is the best vehicle to achieve what people want on this front with a large ensemble cast as it affords a lot more development time for multiple romances than any other method we’ve seen in the past. It doesn’t have to be trilogy - reboot - trilogy reboot. Characters can appear (and grow) all over the place and there can be multiple film lines and even Disney Plus shows to allow romances to naturally develop without having to fit within the confines of a 2 hour runtime that has to introduce all the X-Men from scratch, their villain and resolve the threat.

We are hoping Feige and co focus on the traditional relationships from the comics but of course there’s no guarantee of that.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Unless he gets frozen like Cap and Bucky or he comes from the Quantum Realm, I don't see them doing the whole "Magneto is a Holocaust Survivor" thing in the MCU. My idea has been if you want to change his race, but not his religion, you can make him a survivor of the Derg in Ethiopia. The Derg was the brutal military dictatorship that overthrew (and eventually killed) Emperor Haile Selassie in 1974. He could be an Ethiopian Jew who would be a young child or teen at the time and sought refuge in a refugee camp in Ethiopia. It would be in the refugee camp where he discovers his powers and is shunned by the humans in the camp.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

I’ll be disappointed if MCU Magneto isn’t Wanda and Pietro’s biological father.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

At this point I don't know why anyone would expect it. Haven't they also divorced the idea that he's their parents in the comics.

 

[Frankeh]

Okay, this thread has taken a wildly different turn than I expected. I understand MCU takes liberties, but equating that to treatment of X-Men by Fox is dishonest in my view.

Even the good X-Men movies did not *nail* the heart and soul of the X-Men. The team was never the focus, and most of the characters were thinly drawn, interacting as acquantainces or co-workers at best (this is the biggest issue with X1, as much as I love it). There were always many excuses for this but at the end of the day a lot of these characters never got their spotlight.

In the Foxverse Logan was given dimension over the course of multiple films but Cyclops remained a jerk, Storm had a temper, and Jean was dangerous because of Phoenix. I have confidence Marvel can make these characters actually stand out on screen based on their track record.

 

[Silvermoth]

I was listening to a podcast about the anime one piece the other day and they said one piece can be overly horny sometimes but it’s better than the sanitised marvel u where sex is literally forbidden.

I feel like that’s one of the differenting points between the x-men and the avengers. The x-men were always more adult and more likely to have adult relationships with all the complexities that go with it

 

[Lip]

I feel like, considering the context of CBMs in early 2000s, the X-Men movies were doing pretty well in terms of adapting stuff from the comics. They did change things, which isn't very different from what MS has done, but most of them worked or weren't necessarily annoying. It was only on X3 that things started to change.

For instance, the decision of focusing on certain characters wasn't necessarily harming the story before X3. But it was the decision of insisting to focus on Logan (and Eric) in particular that ruined the adaptation. That wasn't their story to lead. They added The Cure story because of Eric.That was when the refusal to change protagonism became a big problem to tell the X-Men stories.

And it got progressively worse after that. The team had Beast as basicaly the only classic X-Men member in FC. No Jean, no Storm, no Cyclops. That was also when the changes from the comics started to become a little wild. I mean, Hela might not be Thor's sister in the comics, but she wasn't a founding member of the Avengers or Fury's sister in the MCU. Let alone a heroic figure leading the team against Thanos.

I think they were in the right path until X2, which is my favorite X-Men movie. And if they take a similar (but improved) approach in the MCU, I'd be very happy.

 

[SumT]

Okay, this thread has taken a wildly different turn than I expected. I understand MCU takes liberties, but equating that to treatment of X-Men by Fox is dishonest in my view.

Even the good X-Men movies did not *nail* the heart and soul of the X-Men. The team was never the focus, and most of the characters were thinly drawn, interacting as acquantainces or co-workers at best (this is the biggest issue with X1, as much as I love it). There were always many excuses for this but at the end of the day a lot of these characters never got their spotlight.

In the Foxverse Logan was given dimension over the course of multiple films but Cyclops remained a jerk, Storm had a temper, and Jean was dangerous because of Phoenix. I have confidence Marvel can make these characters actually stand out on screen based on their track record.

perfectly put together.
Comparing Marvel treatment to their characters to Fox treatment is a joke (aside from the usual three, Logan, Charles and Erik).

Hell, when Falcon and Antman theirself have had more dialogue and development than Storm, Cyclops, Angel, Nightcrawler or Kitty is really really crazy and offensive too. And there's no excuse accepted anymore.

 

[Lip]

Just wanted to post this:

The man above is a brazilian TV host, who used his platform to call LGBT+ "trash", "****" and "a disgraced race". He recently was acquitted of all charges and the court of justice stated that calling LGBTs "disgraced race" is legal.

After so many years, the X-Men continues to be this relevant.

 

[Marvel united]

Just wanted to post this:

The man above is a brazilian TV host, who used his platform to call LGBT+ "trash", "****" and "a disgraced race". He recently was acquitted of all charges and the court of justice stated that calling LGBTs "disgraced race" is legal.

After so many years, the X-Men continues to be this relevant.

Of course X-Men will always be relevant in this regard. But people nowadays want actual representation of these issues, and the groups affected by them.

Hiding behind a metaphor is no longer the most useful way to communicate that there is a problem in society. Nor is it necessary; F&TWS is the latest example.

 

[Lip]

Of course X-Men will always be relevant in this regard. But people nowadays want actual representation of these issues, and the groups affected by them.

Hiding behind a metaphor is no longer the most useful way to communicate that there is a problem in society. Nor is it necessary; F&TWS is the latest example.

Yes, and I'm excited to see their modern version in the MCU.

 

[DawnWarrior]

My brain has circled back to Juggernaut again, and for his fresh MCU start I really hope that A) he's Charles' step-brother, and B) his powers are magic and not mutation. He's got the potential to be a great villain (probably a secondary antagonist). Without those elements, he's just another dude with powers that the X-Men have to deal with.

Having him get powers from another source helps tie it into the larger MCU, where super-powers can come from lots of places, but it also helps play up Charles and Cain as opposites. Charles was born with his powers, Cain went out and acquired his (stole them, one could argue.) Charles fights with his mind, Cain fights with his fists. Charles is a pacifist while Cain has always proven himself through violence.