No Way Home No Way Home Rumors, Leaks And Speculation Thread (Potential Spoilers Ahead)

[kguillou]

It would be kind of funny if Tobey and Andrew were never intended to be in the film but because the internet willed it into existence they had no choice but to add them in post

 

[Chip Chipperson]

That would kinda suck, because it means we’re probably getting a poorly executed movie

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

It would be kind of funny if Tobey and Andrew were never intended to be in the film but because the internet willed it into existence they had no choice but to add them in post

Horrible.

 

[Arachnerd]

It would be kind of funny if Tobey and Andrew were never intended to be in the film but because the internet willed it into existence they had no choice but to add them in post

I could see maybe the live-action Spider-Verse concept having something to do with Sony's renegotiation with Kevin Feige, but that was long before the movie went into production and even believing this is true, there wouldn't be any worries on the production front since they'd have everything prepared. Especially before filming.

Feige wouldn't allow a Justice League-esque nightmare scenario to happen.

 

[ernesth100]

I'm honestly just thinking about how they were able to fit Iron Man, Spider-Man, Shocker and Vulture in HomeComing.

While still setting up some very important supporting characters like Ned, Flash, MJ and technically Prowler.

We can take another case to Civil War. What was supposed to probably just be Cap finding Bucky on the run managed to cram the arc of Civil War(a multi-saga comic) into 2 hours of film giving each character an integral moment and time to shine within the context of the plot. We had the introduction to Black Panther along with Zemo and even side characters like Sharon Carter got their due.

Ragnarok managed to fuse the story of Thor: Ragnarok and Planet Hulk into what is arguably one of the Top 5 rated MCU Films in every fans list.

I could go on and on but I have no doubt at this point in that game Marvel could crap and it'd still be literal gold. Writing this honestly easy, we've all done it in our heads. I do think professional paid writers could come up with something.

Hell the 90's TV show stuffed the Spider-Verse arc into about 60 minutes of time. 2 hours is a field day.

 

[Venom 1988]

Hell the 90's TV show stuffed the Spider-Verse arc into about 60 minutes of time. 2 hours is a field day.

I mean the 90's show didn't have to cram anything. They technically created the proto version of Spider-Verse lol. I could be wrong but I don't think there was anything like that prior in the comics.

 

[Green Goblin]

I heard from someone that the idea for this movie came about in that brief period where Marvel/Sony fell out. Sony needed a big draw the win audiences over and with the success of INTSV this was the result.

Apparently the only major change was Doctor Strange, who would have been Madame Webb in the story without Marvel Studios.

 

[Arachnerd]

If that's the case, it's honestly for the better that this ended up in Feige's creative hands than Sony's.

 

[Spidey_62]

I heard from someone that the idea for this movie came about in that brief period where Marvel/Sony fell out. Sony needed a big draw the win audiences over and with the success of INTSV this was the result.

Apparently the only major change was Doctor Strange, who would have been Madame Webb in the story without Marvel Studios.

The place I remember first reading that was the 4chan post from last week which the dude was full of baloney- but I can see it making sense and being the case to be honest.

 

[Arachnerd]

Just finished watching the second episode of Loki.

Spoiler

The different Variants of Loki's supports the idea that the Sinister Six will have redesigns in NWH. And Lady Loki seems to be the catalyst for the multiverse going haywire.

 

[Toomes' Phone]

Just finished watching the second episode of Loki.

Spoiler

The different Variants of Loki's supports the idea that the Sinister Six will have redesigns in NWH. And Lady Loki seems to be the catalyst for the multiverse going haywire.

Yeah, I think the villains will probably all be

Spoiler

variants

. I wonder if that will be the case for the other two Spider-Men though.

 

[Arachnerd]

It would destroy the very concept of this movie if Tobey and Andrew were not the Spider-Men from their franchises. No fan would give a crud about them playing alternate Spider-Men that they have no emotional attachment to.

That being said, you could argue

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that since the MCU is the Sacred Timeline, that what Lady Loki did here gave birth to their universes thus making them Variants of Tom Holland's Spider-Man.

 

[Toomes' Phone]

It would destroy the very concept of this movie if Tobey and Andrew were not the Spider-Men from their franchises. No fan would give a crud about them playing alternate Spider-Men that they have no emotional attachment to.

That being said, you could argue

Spoiler

that since the MCU is the Sacred Timeline, that what Lady Loki did here gave birth to their universes thus making them Variants of Tom Holland's Spider-Man.

My head hurts. That's a reasonable alternative, but obviously we'd all prefer if they were just themselves.

 

[kguillou]

They have to be themselves. That would just spit in the face of everything if your brought Tobey and Andrew back NOT to play their proper iterations.

 

[Time Captain]

The developments in LOKI regarding the 'Multiverse' won't matter.

Whatever problem unraveled itself in Episode 2 will have to be fixed by the end of the season.

No Way Home will likely unleash the Multiverse in it's own way, because they can't expect that the vast movie-going audience and film critics would have seen the Loki show

 

[Arachnerd]

Uh, you don't know that. There is literally no way to tell that everything will be fixed at the end of the show (and it wouldn't make any sense for that to be the case either given that Michael Waldron is also writing for DS2 so the multiverse foreshadowing is obvious).

If Peter is responsible for anything in this movie, it's for releasing the multiverse Sinister Six, not kickstarting the multiverse arc. Loki is the beginning of that, and there doesn't need to be a necessity to watch Loki when Strange could just explain what's happening in an exposition scene.

 

[Time Captain]

It's a fair assumption.

Whatever multiversal event is happening in Loki will likely be resolved by the end of the season (even for narrative purposes, that seems like the logical outcome), but the TVA will probably be disbanded..... so there will be no defense to stop the next multiversal event.

Spider-Man NWH is rumored to be the next multiversal event. Doctor Strange playing a part in unleashing the multiverse is a strong possibility.

The Disney Plus shows are great, but the films ultimately need to be accessible to those that haven't followed the shows. Would they reference specific events from the LOKI show, when the majority of Critics and Audiences worldwide wouldn't have seen it?

 

[The Infernal]

WandaVision ended with elements that were unresolved and will lead into other movies. Wanda walking away with the book will be followed up in Dr. Strange 2 and we have no idea when we will see white vision again or how they will recap that. It's not a fair assumption to say Loki will be self contained.

You would only have to explain what is relevant and if nothing in the Loki show is relevant past the existence of a multiverse then you don't need to unnecessarily complicate what little explanation you do need with "oh, by the way, we only just created the multiverse in this one show earlier in the year". Which is still far simpler than explaining white vision and what Wanda's been up to.

 

[Arachnerd]

Not to mention that's been confirmed that out of all the shows released so far, it will have the biggest impact on the MCU.

Very unlikely that Loki will be fully self-contained.

 

[Venom 1988]

Yea I don't think anyone is suggesting that in NWH they are going to have a character explain "Oh the multiverse is screwed up because of a Loki variant from 2012 who started working with the TVA, then they went to hunt another Variant etc. etc..

 

[Time Captain]

We'll find out in a matter of short weeks.

However, I'm skeptical what we saw in "Loki" was truly the birth of the Multiverse. That, I believe, will happen in Spider-Man NWH.

Check out that opening scene with Loki and Miss Minutes. There's an explanation that all these divergent branches can be reset as long as they don't reach the redline. That seems like a Chekov's Gun of a line that's going to be paid off soon.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well rumor is the multiverse is already a thing that Dr Strange is trying to sort out at the start of NWH.

 

[Time Captain]

I'm curious how that would be explained. Endgame said timeline branches would be a bad thing. And Loki followed up on that concept.

It also raises the question of the other realities that we saw in Doctor Strange 2016. Are those different timelines (somehow)? Or dimensions within the 'Sacred' MCU timeline?

Interesting to see.

 

[Marvel united]

It's a fair assumption.

Whatever multiversal event is happening in Loki will likely be resolved by the end of the season (even for narrative purposes, that seems like the logical outcome), but the TVA will probably be disbanded..... so there will be no defense to stop the next multiversal event.

Spider-Man NWH is rumored to be the next multiversal event. Doctor Strange playing a part in unleashing the multiverse is a strong possibility.

The Disney Plus shows are great, but the films ultimately need to be accessible to those that haven't followed the shows. Would they reference specific events from the LOKI show, when the majority of Critics and Audiences worldwide wouldn't have seen it?

All the general audience needs to know is that the Multiverse has opened up, and that's really they'd care about. Anyone who wants to know the deeper context is a google search or YouTube video away from an answer

But anyone who doesn't likely won't care anyway

 

[Time Captain]

And another thing to consider (and this is just a theory, not a spoiler).. what we saw at the end of Loki Episode 2 is just a distraction for the TVA Agents to leave their base and fix.

The branches haven't reached redline, so they can be reset.

While the TVA base (now undermanned) is prime for a hostile takeover.

I'm skeptical that was the start of the actual Multiverse. The movies seem like a more ideal milieu for such a cataclysmic event of massive proportions and implications, this movie specifically.