Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Bayne]

My answer to that idea remains the same as always. It's awkward, poorly conceived, and completely unnecessary. There's nothing wrong with a small number of mutants existing under the radar throughout history, then exploding in numbers at whatever point in the MCU's recent history is most convenient for the writers.

 

[psylockolussus]

Like Hulk, Spider-Man, Hawkeye and Black Widow who didn't get an origin movie/story. Marvel Studios' X-Men would probably start as the X-Men long eXtablished - it could be just years or decades but they aren't going to be rookies that don't know how to deal with their mutant powers. Some like Iceman, Kitty, Jubilee and Armor might be teens. But I'm going to have a hard time thinking why would Kevin Feige would want the first film to be the uneXperienced original five (even if it features different members). I think they'd be combat ready and can stand toe to toe with other Marvel heroes, in the first film. We've seen uneXperienced X-Men too many times in the movies.

We might get flashbacks (maybe a prequel series) but X-Men First Class ain't happening, well I hope so! And I also don't see the Wolverine starting with bone claws and later getting filled up with adamantium, been there done that.

 

[TheVileOne]

TAS was great and is certainly very beloved to this day. But that show had 0 character development. When it starts, Cyclops is already Cyclops, Storm is already Storm, etc...

Listen, I am not part of the group who wants teenage X-Men, but I certainly don't want them starting like that.

Many misnomers here and a lot of revisionism.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I just feel when mutants appear in the MCU that they should represent the next stage in human evolution within the actual MCU. Merging with another universe kinda undermines that concept and in turn, humanity’s basis for their fear of mutants.

 

[TheVileOne]

Introducing mutants to the MCU by bringing them in from another universe would be stupid and terrible for the MCU. I will not accept it.

 

[psylockolussus]

TAS was great and is certainly very beloved to this day. But that show had 0 character development. When it starts, Cyclops is already Cyclops, Storm is already Storm, etc...

Listen, I am not part of the group who wants teenage X-Men, but I certainly don't want them starting like that.

I don't know what you mean by zero development...

But in the mcu
Spider-Man was already Spider-Man in Civil War
Black Panther was already Black Panther in Civil War
Black Widow was already Black Widow in Iron Man 2
Hawkeye was already Hawkeye in Avengers
And Hulk was already the Hulk in The Incredible Hulk

And since when already saw most of the famous X-Men in the movies before, they don't need feature their rookie/amateur days as member of the team.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think you can have a version of the X-Men already in existence when we meet them. But none of this putting X-Men: TAS into the MCU. That would be utterly ridiculous. You still need to give the mutants and X-Men a proper introduction. Not saying it has to be an origin, but an introduction.

 

[Marvel united]

Mutants coming from the Multiverse would singlehandedly kill my interest in this series. They'd be taking away everything that makes the X-Men and mutants so thematically potent, and reducing them to a gimmick.

Simply put, If there is no X-gene in the MCU, then there are no mutants. And whatever comes after the fact, will be mutants in name only.

 

[Jordacar]

I'm hoping that the X-Men '97 revival will help take the pressure off the MCU at having to somehow capture the nostalgia of TAS and will free them up for a fresh take.

 

[Silvermoth]

I am very concerned about an overly nostalgic interpretation. But I am enthused by the example set by The Sandman. The audio books adapted the series as it was and the telly series adapted it for today. Having the cake and eating it also. I am hoping for a similar experience

 

[psylockolussus]

most likely, Marvel Studios would just take inspiration from Tas. But itd be silly if they come from Earth 2022 to Earth 616.

We just haven't seen 616 X-Men yet. But I doubt they'd be coming to another universe like where I am from.

 

[Batgirl0202]

I just feel when mutants appear in the MCU that they should represent the next stage in human evolution within the actual MCU. Merging with another universe kinda undermines that concept and in turn, humanity’s basis for their fear of mutants.

This.

Mutants coming from the Multiverse would singlehandedly kill my interest in this series. They'd be taking away everything that makes the X-Men and mutants so thematically potent, and reducing them to a gimmick.

Simply put, If there is no X-gene in the MCU, then there are no mutants. And whatever comes after the fact, will be mutants in name only.

And this.

Simply porting mutants in from another universe completely destroys the thematic potency and resonance of the property.

X-Men is a very different IP from other Marvel team properties. Here are a group of characters, mutated through no fault of their own, fighting for self-acceptance and willingly risking their lives to help defend a world that fears and hates them.

There's always been a strong strain of pathos running through the best X-Men stories. Take away the core themes and you completely remove the relevance of the entire mutant concept.

I'd rather not see mutants introduced at all if X-Men aren't gonna be done properly.

 

[Lip]

I'm hoping that the X-Men '97 revival will help take the pressure off the MCU at having to somehow capture the nostalgia of TAS and will free them up for a fresh take.

I think the opposite. I think reviving that show will only increase expectations for the X-Men to be like that and look like that, which is why I hate that they revived that show instead of creating a new one from a new idea.

I'm sick of nostalgia, really.

 

[SumT]

the MCU X-Men can look like TAS X-Men while everything else can be fresh (plots, villains, supporting cast, political/social topics, etc)

 

[Weather Witch]

the MCU X-Men can look like TAS X-Men

Honestly, I think even that might be limiting the MCU's X-Men way too much.

 

[Lip]

Just say white.

 

[psylockolussus]

Honestly, I think even that might be limiting the MCU's X-Men way too much.

Not really unless you think X-Men are going to wear the same costume in every movie they appear in.

TAS costumes (well the early 90s in general) are perhaps the most iconic looks for the X-Men (the ones who were around that time).

 

[MilkmanDan]

Like Hulk, Spider-Man, Hawkeye and Black Widow who didn't get an origin movie/story. Marvel Studios' X-Men would probably start as the X-Men long eXtablished - it could be just years or decades but they aren't going to be rookies that don't know how to deal with their mutant powers.

I don't think anyone needs to see those characters get their powers. To me, it's more of a question of how long have they been active superheroes that somehow never got mentioned before.

Spider-Man is at least introduced as a rookie making small time saves like stopping traffic accidents. Hawkeye and Black Widow are seasoned veterans by their very nature but they're also secret operatives who don't become well known until they involved themselves in the Battle of New York. Hulk I think is the only one who should have been more famous before his solo movie, but that was early in the MCU so maybe he was.

There's also the original Ant-Man, I guess, but he's portrayed as something of a Cold War urban legend.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[Lip]

I'm pulling an MJ here and not setting myself up for disappointment. I don't see them announcing anything mutant related.

But I'll be very happy to see more from D+, like a release date for Secret Invasion, announcements for Nova or Daredevil. Maybe finally Young Avengers (fingers crossed here). And for the movies just a release date for F4.

 

[fan4stic]

Just say white.

What white?

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't think anyone needs to see those characters get their powers. To me, it's more of a question of how long have they been active superheroes that somehow never got mentioned before.

Spider-Man is at least introduced as a rookie making small time saves like stopping traffic accidents. Hawkeye and Black Widow are seasoned veterans by their very nature but they're also secret operatives who don't become well known until they involved themselves in the Battle of New York. Hulk I think is the only one who should have been more famous before his solo movie, but that was early in the MCU so maybe he was.

There's also the original Ant-Man, I guess, but he's portrayed as something of a Cold War urban legend.

They could be in hiding, wipe out in the public's memories due to some eXplosive accident, just like our friendly neighborhood.

I'm just having a hard time aXcepting mutants like Magneto, Sinister, Apocalypse, the Professor, the Wolverine, Selene are just part of a new blooming specie. They have must have had mutants the day Steve Rogers got his superpowers, and even when the Eternals arrived at Earth.

 

[Bayne]

They could be in hiding, wipe out in the public's memories due to some eXplosive accident, just like our friendly neighborhood.

I'm just having a hard time aXcepting mutants like Magneto, Sinister, Apocalypse, the Professor, the Wolverine, Selene are just part of a new blooming specie. They have must have had mutants the day Steve Rogers got his superpowers, and even when the Eternals arrived at Earth.

Again, mutants being a new phenomenon to the MCU doesn't mean there can never have been any mutants throughout history. It doesn't mean the entire species has to be new. It just means the public never knew about them before. None of the characters you just named would in any way be a problem in that regard.

Sinister, Apocalypse and Selene were always portrayed as being far older than the known existence of the mutant race. Wolverine, too. And Sabretooth. And every other mutant I can think of who is older than Xavier and Magneto. And really, since Xavier originally coined the word 'Mutant', even their generation predates public knowledge of mutants. None of them would have been called 'mutant' in their early lives, only 'freak' or 'demon', etc, and to the extent that they were known to the public they would go down in history as mythological beings or urban legends. Some of them might have had history with SHIELD, just like Ant-man did, but that would also by definition be kept secret.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Again, mutants being a new phenomenon to the MCU doesn't mean there can never have been any mutants throughout history. It doesn't mean the entire species has to be new. It just means the public never knew about them before. None of the characters you just named would in any way be a problem in that regard.

Sinister, Apocalypse and Selene were always portrayed as being far older than the known existence of the mutant race. Wolverine, too. And Sabretooth. And every other mutant I can think of who is older than Xavier and Magneto. And really, since Xavier originally coined the word 'Mutant', even their generation predates public knowledge of mutants. None of them would have been called 'mutant' in their early lives, only 'freak' or 'demon', etc, and to the extent that they were known to the public they would go down in history as mythological beings or urban legends. Some of them might have had history with SHIELD, just like Ant-man did, but that would also by definition be kept secret.

Exactly. And one thing that has never really been followed up on in the MCU - We know for a fact that SHIELD was aware of powered individuals before the events of Iron Man. And Fury's comments imply more than just Captain Marvel. It's very simple IMO to say that mutants have always been here but now their numbers are growing and they're coming out of the shadows.

 

[psylockolussus]

So you're telling me than after aliens in New York, Thanos, the snap, Eternals, Celestials, Sokovia Accords, Avengers and all the other superheroes/supervillains being well known to the public - mutants who could just be anybody will be the last thing on everyone's radar aka "new phenomenon". Yeah good luck selling that.