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Very disappointing but not exactly surprising.DC Films and Warner Bros. are in no hurry to move forward with Batgirl now that writer-director Joss Whedon has stepped away, an individual with knowledge of the project told TheWrap.
There are no imminent plans to attach a new filmmaker to the Batman spinooff after Whedon exited last week, the insider said.
According to the insider, the studio always intended to develop the core members of the Justice League Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, The Flash and possibly Green Lantern before spinning off secondary characters like Nightwing, Deathstroke, Lobo and Batgirl.
Even if Whedon had landed on a satisfying story, the insider said, the project was unlikely to shoot before the next Batman that Matt Reeves is currently writing and which remains in active development but officially undated.
Ill be happy to see this whenever we get it. Would ideally see Babs first.
If the general audience doesn't realize this is a different Batgirl because they don't know the name Barbara, then it's going to look like WB learned nothing after BvS and are making Batgirl edgy by giving her a creepy mask and dark backstory. So they'll have to establish in their marketing that this is a different Batgirl while also establishing that people should care about this Batgirl.
And it's not a question of what can be done. Lots of things can be done, but that doesn't mean that they're all equally easy to do.
If WB has trouble selling high profile characters like Batman and Superman because of quality issues, the solution isn't to favor obscure characters where the quality has to be that much higher to get audiences to care.
I'm not understanding these MCU comparisons. So because Marvel made GOTG successful Cassandra should be Batgirl? What kind of logic is that?
For one thing its a Batgirl movie, so no matter who dons the costume they are automatically enjoying a higher listing than GOTG did. Cass may be a D lister but Batgirl isnt. So this argument falls apart completely.
Moreover Batgirl because of her higher status enjoys a certain perception.
Now imagine if they replaced that with an Asian mute who was borne of rape and was abused. Who wears a dark costume and is serious all the time. The DCEU brand will sink further. People will think they ruined Batgirl just to be edgy and show that Batgirl should be taken seriously.
Up until recently, they kind of are though, aren't they?Um, are you implying that Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Cyborg, Flash and Mera are the only superheroes that currently exist in the DCEU?
No offense, but thats the most ridiculous argument Ive heard so far.
Who said otherwise?
And tell me, what about adapting another Batgirl is actually harder than doing Barbara?
So instead they should go ahead and ruin the Batgirl? The way youre presenting it (mind the phrasing), it sounds like a lose/lose situation.
Logic that you are, to be frank, not following.
1) I never said that it should be anyone other than Barbara.
2) What I have said, though, is that the other Batgirls shouldnt be disqualified from consideration simply because they arent Barbara. Why? Because lesser known characters are flourishing right now because of Marvel, who have proven time and time again that the key to success lies in making movies that audiences like. Not, necessarily, established brands.
So then does the reverse: it shouldnt matter whos under the mask if the Batgirl name is going to sell regardless.
Even if that were true, shes not so popular that itd be all that difficult to overcome.
Are we now going to pretend that adaptations dont pick and choose which elements to include or emphasize and often make tonal changes when and if necessary?
Ill ignore your presentation of the worst-case scenario and simply say that they could use Stephanie if they found Cassandras origin and personality too dark.
So, you're saying she's definitely heterosexual?While Steph fits the archetype much better than Cass she runs in to the problem of irrelevance. Babs dad is Gordon and her love interest is Dick. Plus she ties to Huntress and Black Canary which can be used to launch BOP.
Fair enough, but you know how shared universes work. Not every single character can appear in every movie. It's kind of like how War Machine was nowhere to be seen in Avengers.Well... At least in terms of those who are known to the initial team.
If world level events are going on, and you know people who can help, I'm pretty sure anyone with half a brain will assemble all the help they can get.
That's true I guess, but it's nothing that can't be fixed with a good ol' retcon.Up until recently, they kind of are though, aren't they?
Was it not referenced, or directly mentioned in a conversation between Bruce and Alfred that things started changing when Superman showed up? With all the tech, resources (etc) that Bruce has, you'd think he'd be more than aware of any other metahumans, Gods and/or Aliens residing on Earth, yet he isn't.
You can explain away the likes of the Amazonians and Atlantians (isolation), and you could explain away the likes of Martian Manhunter and Supergirl (if they exist within the DCU) as simply living civilian lives (although we would have to question why Kara didn't help Clark when he fought Zod; that was all over the news, and she's a reporter).
It would seem unlikely though that they (Bruce & Alfred) weren't remotely aware of other roaming metahumans.
So according to you they should also make a Batman film with Jean Paul Valley and a Robin film with Helena Wayne, D listers can be successful after all.
You cant do the reverse.
Batgirl has been exposed to audiences across games, cartoons, animated films...
So want Cass to not be Cass? All right.
No offense, but thats the most ridiculous argument Ive heard so far.
And tell me, what about adapting another Batgirl is actually harder than doing Barbara?
So instead they should go ahead and ruin the Batgirl? The way youre presenting it (mind the phrasing), it sounds like a lose/lose situation.
Ill ignore your presentation of the worst-case scenario and simply say that they could use Stephanie if they found Cassandras origin and personality too dark.
OmegaBat said:Pot calling the kettle black? You're the one who has repeatedly dissed Barbara on this thread. Us Babs fans dont give a lick about the other Batgirls, why should we? Its Cass and and Steph fans who're always tearing in to Babs at every opportunity. Cass is a nobody next to Babs, the only thing that makes her a somebody is that giant Bat on her chest. Babs is a big character without the costume as well.
I love Oracle too and I'm not one of those fake Oracle fans who're only fans because it rids Babs from the Batgirl equation. If your preferred character needs to ride on the coattails of the Bat symbol and another character being paralyzed to be something then the character isn't worth bothering with.