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Guys, this is not the Black Panther forum. Tag spoilers!
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Guys, this is not the Black Panther forum. Tag spoilers!
OK, thanks.
Can you remind me the general rule for tagging? Is it 7 days after release? 14 days?
You may have reminded me before, and if so I am sorry to have forgotten. I am 34 and aging rapidly :-(
You guys think its possible IW doesnt top Avengers 1? Could we be looking at a Spider-man 2 situation where the film is wildly praised by critics, fans and audiences but it doesn't match it's predesssor's BO simply because the predecessor was a lightning in a bottle moment and overperformed?
We see Wakandan armies in the trailer for IW, and we also see an important role implied for T'Challa. I think that Marvel knew that BP would be a good movie, and so they knew that they could capitalize on that by giving its elements a prominent role in IW.
I always assumed it was best to wait four months.Generally, I would say give it 2 weekends. Should be enough time for most of us to see it.
I always assumed it was best to wait four months.
But people actually LIKE Marvel films
The high box office for BP just means that more people are MCU fans now.
Not necessarily.
As I and others have said, BP is getting a ton of viewers do don't care about the MCU but love seeing a diverse movie like BP on the screen.
They are now invested in the character, some of them will want to know what he's up to in IW.
Not necessarily.
As I and others have said, BP is getting a ton of viewers do don't care about the MCU but love seeing a diverse movie like BP on the screen.
LMAO
They are now invested in the character, some of them will want to know what he's up to in IW.
It's ok loving that and not the MCU of course but these are not the people who have helped BP get made in the first place. That would be the likes of us who have paved the way by helping the MCU get to the level of success where they can try something like this with a big budget and not have to play it too tentatively like some of the Phase 1 films had to in those uncertain early days.
The weekend belonged to Black Panther, the Marvel Cinematic Universes latest offering, and rightly so: Ryan Cooglers solid introduction to the kingdom of Wakanda wowed critics (97 percent fresh on Rotten Tomatoes) and audiences (A-plus CinemaScore) alike, racking up an estimated $235 million in its first four days of release. As some wags noted, this was more money than Justice League earned in its entire domestic run.
And while Justice League was certainly bad a product that reeked of overbearing corporate meddling; a movie that reportedly cost upward of $300 million to make and yet somehow looked cheap and shoddy Im still sad that it (reportedly) marks the end of Zack Snyders efforts with the DC Extended Universe. He brought a unity of vision, both ideological and aesthetic, to Warner Bros. effort at countering Disneys MCU.
There was some s******ing when DC announced that Snyder, hot off the heels of Watchmen (2009), would direct Man of Steel. Indeed, the auteur was forced to assure audiences that there would be no slow-motion action sequences, his signature artistic affectation. But this was always a mistake. The reason Snyders previous comic-book adaptations, 300 and Watchmen, had worked was that the speed-ramping effect he so loved in which he slowed down the action and sped it back up as the camera drifted along, a spectator to carnage perfectly mimicked the experience of reading a comic book. You see a frame and then another frame, but not what happens between them. Speeding up, then slowing down, suggests how the eye flits across the page, going from one act of violence to another.
The effect reappears in Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, a film more comfortable with the mythopoeic ideal of alien gods and men who dress like bats doing battle for the soul of society. Snyder dispenses with Batmans origin story briefly, capping off a slo-mo killing of Martha and Thomas Wayne with a shot of Bruce, a child, enveloped by bats, rising out of a hole in which he has fallen, drifting out of a cave and into the sky as if accepting his destiny to simultaneously live both below and above the people.
This aesthetic carried into other movies overseen by Snyder during his tenure atop the DCEU. The early action sequences in Wonder Woman felt very much like outtakes from 300, filled as they were with statuesque individuals leaping into the air in slow motion, firing arrows and hurling spears at invading savages. Wonder Womans (Gal Gadot) charge through the German offices echoed Batmans (Ben Affleck) rescue of Ma Kent (Diane Lane) in Batman v. Superman. And its not surprising that the single best moment in Justice League toys with the use of slow motion to demonstrate exactly how powerful Superman (Henry Cavill) is.
This aesthetic vision may have triggered s******s aggressively unique artistry often does but its far superior to the MCUs house anti-style, that cautiously competent CGI mishmash that defines the adventures of the Avengers and their friends.
More than a house style, however, Snyder oversaw a house ethos. And its here that the recent spate of DC films as wildly uneven as they were, as messy as they could be purely in terms of storytelling has always been more consistent, and more interesting, than their counterparts at Marvel. Consider Tony Stark (Robert Downey Jr.), the key to the MCUs success. He is wildly erratic as a character, swinging from libertarian privatizer of peacekeeping to statist global governance proponent to mad genius tinkering with godhood to father figure aiding a kid in need, depending on what the movie he happens to be in needs him to do to keep the action moving. Hes a plot device, not a person.
Theres no idea behind the Marvel films writ large, no overarching thought. One of the reasons Black Panther is so interesting is that theres a philosophical struggle at its core, a messy tussle between security and safety on the one hand and the duties we have to the weaker amongst us on the other. And some of the other Marvel films have tinkered with notions larger than heroes good, villains bad. Winter Soldier was about the iniquities of drone warfare and the dangers to civil liberties posed by a too-powerful government while Civil War is about the hazards of occupational licensing. Too often, however, some all-powerful thingamajig is controlled by a hulking, forgettable, oddly colored bad guy who wants to either take over or destroy the world.
But theres a unity of vision to the Snyder-led DC movies that is simply lacking over at Marvel. The idea, beginning with Man of Steel, was a simple one: What would happen if gods appeared on Earth? Snyders reboot of Superman asked us to consider what responsibilities a man with godlike power would be willing to accept. Batman v. Superman asked how the worlds most powerful men batty billionaires and tech giants alike would react to instantly finding themselves lower on the food chain. How would they protect humanity from the new monsters in their midst? Suicide Squad, meanwhile, asked how the government might respond to such an invasion, while Wonder Woman was all about the need for gods (or, at least, a demigod) to understand that free will sometimes leads to death and destruction.
These questions were often lost or muddied in the course of corporate tampering. While Marvel honcho Kevin Feige has hired a series of directors who will conform to the house style and has built up a universe slowly but surely, Snyder always seemed to be pushing for more and was saddled with a corporate giant that demanded an Avenger-style cinematic universe created in half the time. As Armond White put it in his review of Black Panther, Cooglers attempt at genre revision is part of Marvel indoctrination, so its less interesting than Snyders battle with Warner Bros. over artistic expression in the D.C. Comics Universe. Snyder turns moral conflicts into sensual kinetics.*
Perhaps Justice League, which asks how the world would respond to losing its newfound god, is a logical endpoint to the question first raised in Man of Steel. Its too bad that well likely never get to see what Snyder truly wanted to do with the movie; he was reportedly fired last year and was definitely replaced in the directors chair by Joss Whedon for reshoots. Fans thirsting online for the #SnyderCut will likely go unsated. Well just have to wait and see what Snyder has in store for us next.
*As an aside, I would pay a great deal of money for a Hitchcock/Truffaut-style book in which White interviewed Snyder. The iconoclastic critic has long been one of Snyders most devoted defenders, and I think it would be a fascinating glimpse into critic and filmmaker alike.
Because that worked out so well for Justice League...
It's not a straight orange to orange comparison... more like a fresh orange and rotten orange comparison.
One grew on a better foundation than the other.
I mean, I think it is clear that the support won't necessarily translate, because IW is much, much whiter.
This Washington Post article is comedy gold
If you didn't like something in my post please let me know more specifically so I can try and address it. I'm not purposely trying to say anything offensive or provocative if it's coming across like that.You may want to seriously re-evaluate what you said in that post.
What the **** did I just read? It looks like someone at Washington post read every deluded Zaddy cult talking points and made an essay collecting them all.
Black Panther did not end the era of Zack Snyder. Zack Snyder ended the era of Zack Snyder.
It was dead in March 2016.