Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 57

[Ninjablade]

Junkie XL wrote "Brothers in Arms" for the Mad Max Fury Road score, which gives him a lifetime pass for me.

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I'd actually love a link to this 4 hour interview. Junkie XL's youtube channel has been an endless fountain of joy for me. Just hours and hours of nerdy music breakdowns of gear and composition techniques. It's so great. I've watched his multipart breakdown on modular synthesis many times.

Here you go. I lied, the interview is actually only about two hours. I haven't listened to it in full, so my original comment was just based on the video runtime. I was skimming through it to find the Cyborg comment, and he dips around the two hour mark. There's definitely a lot of interesting stuff.

I'm personally not a fan of Junkie's music at all. I like some of the stuff in Fury Road, but all his other film work doesn't do it for me. The track already released for Justice League also doesn't really inspire me with any confidence. It sounded just as generic as Elfman's discount Avengers theme. They're releasing all four hours of his music, so maybe there'll be something for me. I hope the action music is good at least.

 

[fan4stic]

A black writer can't have a connection to Superman? The original, most recognizable, most ubiquitous superhero ever?

My god.

It's not about his race. I didn't say anything about his race. Why think that's what I meant? I was speaking on him, as a writer and about Green Lantern, not Superman. I assumed he had a connection to a version of Superman, in writing. I assume most people, white or black or whathaveyou, don't have a connection to writing Superman in the way that I mean, though.

 

[moviedoors]

Here you go. I lied, the interview is actually only about two hours. I haven't listened to it in full, so my original comment was just based on the video runtime. I was skimming through it to find the Cyborg comment, and he dips around the two hour mark. There's definitely a lot of interesting stuff.

I'm personally not a fan of Junkie's music at all. I like some of the stuff in Fury Road, but all his other film work doesn't do it for me.

Thank you!

 

[moviedoors]

It's not about his race. I didn't say anything about his race. Why think that's what I meant? I was speaking on him, as a writer and about Green Lantern, not Superman. I assumed he had a connection to a version of that, in writing.

Gotcha.

 

[Detective Conan]

With the way media is consumed nowadays, putting competing versions of the same hero on TV and film seems to me like poor character management. Both of the Big Two comic book companies have enough characters with star potential - like former C listers Wanda, Vision, Monica Rambeau and Agatha Harkness - that doubling down on a handful of guys doesn't make much sense. It risks dividing fan loyalty and takes resources away from what could potentially be your next breakout character.

I’m pretty cool with it, actually. You get have your cake and eat it too with that approach which I like. There’s nothing wrong with having two versions of the same character in two different mediums running at the same time, imo.

 

[Limonade]

I feel having multiple versions of the same character in the same medium would cultivate a lot of resentment from within the fanbase.

I know some people will say, "...just don't watch it then." But then it could backfire on them, when the version they don't like, wins out in the end.

And it just disengages and minimize the fandom to an extent. I've already seen quite a few people saying that they are hopping off the DC and cbm train, in general, after all the dust settles.

And maybe this is how the reign of tentpole superheroes movies will end. I dunno, but I'm happy to read these discussions you guys are having. It's an important issue to talk about, especially since the future of DC films feels unpredictable at the moment.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I wish.

Not going to bother to find the quote because it was part of a 4 hour interview, but Junkie XL was talking about the music, and said he wrote a suite for Cyborg that plays during a 15 minute long origin that has no dialogue or sound FX.

Looking forward to seeing how much of it is slow motion.

At least I can compliment that nothing will hinder me from enjoying the track playing.

Junkie XL wrote "Brothers in Arms" for the Mad Max Fury Road score, which gives him a lifetime pass for me.

I won't give him that big of a leeway, but I do love that he produced that gem.


Here ya go blade, have fun listening to this one here and now



And some emotional music that starts like it's from the Lion King

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It’s why I find the Star Wars fandom so exhausting these days. There’s a lot I don’t like about the sequel trilogy, but I don’t want it constantly brought up and deconstructed when I’m trying to engage with The Mandalorian and the content that’s presented. That kind of internal competition happens on every level too, with the canon books vs Legends, new games vs Lucasarts.

But I think it’s a wider problem with fandoms in general these days. Even something as innocuous as Dragonball turns into a vitriolic civil war between the different iterations. It’s why we can’t have nice things anymore.

/end rant.

I am sorry if I ever did that to you Roose. During the transition I got stupidly territorial on the whole old EU thing, and it was the height of my stupidity. Considering that it's me, that is saying something. I do think it finally clicked with me that while complaining about stuff is totally fine in the right place, when you start only doing it all over the place, it definitely messes with others vibes, no matter your intentions.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's not about his race. I didn't say anything about his race. Why think that's what I meant? I was speaking on him, as a writer and about Green Lantern, not Superman. I assumed he had a connection to a version of Superman, in writing. I assume most people, white or black or whathaveyou, don't have a connection to writing Superman in the way that I mean, though.

What?

 

[Predator jp]

wonder how people would react if they cast Asian or Latino actor for black character.

 

[Kev4000]

wonder how people would react if they cast Asian or Latino actor for black character.

That is a very interesting question and I want to find out what will happen then.

 

[fan4stic]

wonder how people would react if they cast Asian or Latino actor for black character.

Really, if it's fictional characters, none of it is important. But, I think a character's race something that I prefer to be maintained from their comic versions. Depending on the character, I also see it as an actor by actor basis, for me. But also, I like seeing a visual look how I know it to look. I would no more cast someone who I think doesn't look the part on my opinion of an attractiveness level. I'm not for Adam Driver, as a Batman casting, as an example. He doesn't visually represent what I prefer as a look for the character. I have similar feelings about Jim Gordon, who, to me, has a specific look and vibe for me. I think it's one of the reasons, not just his skin color, that I didn't see Jeffrey Wright in the role when cast. But in the trailer, I got a Gordon vibe from him, he felt like the character, to me. I got that for Bruce as well, which was another casting choice, based on looks (I felt that Pattinson's face is male model-y, not preference for Batman), I wasn't preferring at first.

 

[Flint Marko]

I'm kinda puzzled by Ta-Neishi Coates writing a Superman reboot. Why isn't he writing a John Stewart Green Lantern movie instead?

 

[Detective Conan]

I’m kinda puzzled by Robert Rodriguez writing a Batman reboot. Why isn’t he writing a Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle movie instead?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I have multiple things to say in this matter:

When it comes to the looks of Superman; I do find this look to be iconic

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1. Red 'S' in the red triangle with trimmed corners and yellow inside it
2. Blue suit with red cape, boots, and briefs (even if you're more pro post NU52 look, the briefs are a more ideal look for the man)
3. Yellow emblem on the back of his cape
4. Black hair
5. Hair shaped like an 'S' dropping in the center of his forehead
6. And yes, being white is part of his image that's been ingrained in my mind for over quarter a century, so it is part of his iconic look

I'm open to giving the race change its chance if the actor they choose fits the role, what I am not a fan of when I see people use creative changes for movies or shows as reason to instigate (or look forward to) conflicts that should not be made. Words like 'Racist', 'flaky', 'insecure' and 'jerk' fly off the handle way too often.

Writers and other creators ethnicity makes no difference:

1. Dwayne McDuffee is the most respected DCAU writer here when it comes to handling characters, and he was the only big name black writer for their shows, his work on Justice League made the most impact on how Superman is presented in these shows.
2. Leinel Francis Yu is of Filipino origins, and he drew one of the best Superman stories in Birthright. He also drew issues of Captain America for
   Ta-Nehisi Coates, and also drew various books for multiple white characters.
3. Christopher Priest/Jim Owsley wrote a lot of white characters including Moon Knight and Hawkman.
4. Ernie Chan is another Filipino artist who worked on white characters.
5. The Max Punisher series had artists from a variety of ethnic backgrounds, they all handled the characters they worked on respectfully.
6. Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and other white writers worked on characters from different ethnic backgrounds. They probably needed to do more research on other cultures to make more accurate representations, but they handled these characters with care and respect.

None of these creators were trouble makers while working on their respective characters.

 

[KBX]

So let’s say a Black Superman works financially and critically, end up going with Val-Zod. Is Clark Kent on film a thing of the past? One would think not, but it sets a reason for WB to put the character on the back burner, when you think about it, is insane.

 

[KBX]

wonder how people would react if they cast Asian or Latino actor for black character.

Having an Asian/Latino actor as a King of an African nation is not going to cause any problems at all....

 

[writer0327]

I have multiple things to say in this matter:

When it comes to the looks of Superman; I do find this look to be iconic

​

1. Red 'S' in the red triangle with trimmed corners and yellow inside it
2. Blue suit with red cape, boots, and briefs (even if you're more pro post NU52 look, the briefs are a more ideal look for the man)
3. Yellow emblem on the back of his cape
4. Black hair
5. Hair shaped like an 'S' dropping in the center of his forehead
6. And yes, being white is part of his image that's been ingrained in my mind for over quarter a century, so it is part of his iconic look

I'm open to giving the race change its chance if the actor they choose fits the role, what I am not a fan of when I see people use creative changes for movies or shows as reason to instigate (or look forward to) conflicts that should not be made. Words like 'Racist', 'flaky', 'insecure' and 'jerk' fly off the handle way too often.

Writers and other creators ethnicity makes no difference:

1. Dwayne McDuffee is the most respected DCAU writer here when it comes to handling characters, and he was the only big name black writer for their shows, his work on Justice League made the most impact on how Superman is presented in these shows.
2. Leinel Francis Yu is of Filipino origins, and he drew one of the best Superman stories in Birthright. He also drew issues of Captain America for
   Ta-Nehisi Coates, and also drew various books for multiple white characters.
3. Christopher Priest/Jim Owsley wrote a lot of white characters including Moon Knight and Hawkman.
4. Ernie Chan is another Filipino artist who worked on white characters.
5. The Max Punisher series had artists from a variety of ethnic backgrounds, they all handled the characters they worked on respectfully.
6. Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and other white writers worked on characters from different ethnic backgrounds. They probably needed to do more research on other cultures to make more accurate representations, but they handled these characters with care and respect.

None of these creators were trouble makers while working on their respective characters.

I don't think anyone is worried about a Coates writing a Superman film because he's a black man. I think some folks don't like his particular style of writing or previous works.

 

[writer0327]

So let’s say a Black Superman works financially and critically, end up going with Val-Zod. Is Clark Kent on film a thing of the past? One would think not, but it sets a reason for WB to put the character on the back burner, when you think about it, is insane.

It seems like they don't know what to do with the character, so I'm gonna agree and say yes, if it's a hit, Clark Kent's days would definitely be numbered.

 

[Detective Conan]

So let’s say a Black Superman works financially and critically, end up going with Val-Zod. Is Clark Kent on film a thing of the past? One would think not, but it sets a reason for WB to put the character on the back burner, when you think about it, is insane.

Not exactly, if they don’t use Clark for the reboot then I think that leaves room for Cavil to appear again as Superman in non-Superman movies. Though I’m afraid Clark Kent carrying a solo film by himself may be a thing of the past.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I don't think anyone is worried about a Coates writing a Superman film because he's a black man. I think some folks don't like his particular style of writing or previous works.

That may be true, but he stated he hasn't read DC comics, and some folks think he would instantly identify more with John Stewart, which is why the thought I stated formed itself in my mind.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

When it comes down to race and the CBMs, I look at some of these responses people have and literally just be like...


I’d probably get banned if I said what I really wanted so I’ll just sit back and judge lol.

 

[Snow Queen]

I'm stealing this.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

It’s why I find the Star Wars fandom so exhausting these days. There’s a lot I don’t like about the sequel trilogy, but I don’t want it constantly brought up and deconstructed when I’m trying to engage with The Mandalorian and the content that’s presented. That kind of internal competition happens on every level too, with the canon books vs Legends, new games vs Lucasarts.

But I think it’s a wider problem with fandoms in general these days. Even something as innocuous as Dragonball turns into a vitriolic civil war between the different iterations. It’s why we can’t have nice things anymore.

/end rant.

It's actually really depressing how much a show as fun, inoffensive and entirely devoted to pleasing people as The Mandalorian gets weaponized in such an ugly way by the worse elements of SW fandom. I wonder how they'll feel in the unlikely scenario that show ever does anything remotely subversive or God forbid woke . It's like a certain set of people don't love the show, what they love is that it's not the sequel trilogy and doesn't contradict their religion-like convictions about what silly space wizard children's films should or shouldn't be.

I don't think it will even though it was probably the original intent because Disney currently seems afraid of the sequel trilogy era but, Man, especially if it gets into "Origin of the First Order" stuff towards the end and starts engaging with the sequel era...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't think anyone is worried about a Coates writing a Superman film because he's a black man. I think some folks don't like his particular style of writing or previous works.

I am sure this has nothing to do with him outspoken political advocacy.